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Re: Do you like Klingons?

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Originally posted by Atrocities:
Please keep in mind that these are just prototype images only. I am still working on them all. The Romulan image is just something I threw in for sport. All images are 1024 x 768

Romulan Bird of Prey (Prototype)

Vort'Cha

Klingon BOP

Klingon D - 16 Battle Cruiser

well has any one looked yet?

Re: Do you like Klingons?

Enterprise wrecked any consistency with anything in other ST series. It is a good thing they dropped the Star Trek from its title... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

TNG had a number of inconsistencies as well... though it was often far more silly than necessary... a kid as a bridge crewman? Yeah... sure... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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A count was kept of the crew members seen on the show, and after seven years that count was over 200 while the ship only had a crew of something like 135.

As I said before, that is just being anally retentive. Who the hell cares that they used different extras? It doesn't matter. It would have been much more expensive to keep the same extras throughout the entire 7 year run. Actual named crewmen don't come close to 135.

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The ship looked as new as the day it was crissoned despite not having resources to reapir hull damage.

They found plenty of resources. Anything on the hull plating could be replicated from any source matter, including intermittent dust particiles in space. All it takes is some time and energy. When they were in extended periods of fighting and had no time to replicate and repair, the ship accrued plenty of battle damage.

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The Shuttles craft count. They blew up quite a few. (This was eventually touched on in one episode where they mentioned they were building replacements.) Good catch.

I think that was mentioned fairly early on...

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The fact that they had replactor rationing when they could eat all the food they wanted in the Holo-suites.

Food in the holo suites is holographic, and could not be eaten to gain nutrients. If it were made to actually be editable and digestible, it would require the use of replicators, and would use up some of the crewman's replicator rations. There is no inconsistency there at all.

[ January 05, 2004, 06:53: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

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Oh man you have just bitten off more than you can chew.... Do you really want to get into a debate about these points with me?

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As I said before, that is just being anally retentive. Who the hell cares that they used different extras? It doesn't matter. It would have been much more expensive to keep the same extras throughout the entire 7 year run. Actual named crewmen don't come close to 135.

Who care are the people who watch the show and try to understand the inconsistancy and lack of detail that something as stupendious as this breeches. They are out in the middle of no where, yet they manage to show they had over 200 crew memeber, over 200 of them, even thought they had only 135 or so? This is a HUGE fricking plot foul up and yes they should have paid closer attention to this. Cost be damned, it completely underminded the credibility of the show.

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They found plenty of resources. Anything on the hull plating could be replicated from any source matter, including intermittent dust particiles in space. All it takes is some time and energy. When they were in extended periods of fighting and had no time to replicate and repair, the ship accrued plenty of battle damage.

Although this was lightly touched on in a few episodes, it more often than not resulted in them loosing more than they had gained. The little that they did explain gaining could not support the grand effort that you have depicted while the ship still was operating under repulator rations.

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I think that was mentioned fairly early on...

In regard to the shuttles, it was not mentioned until season seven. Before that it was a plot hole that kept coming up over and over again so finally the producers/writers decided to handle it.

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Food in the holo suites is holographic, and could not be eaten to gain nutrients. If it were made to actually be editable and digestible, it would require the use of replicators, and would use up some of the crewman's replicator rations. There is no inconsistency there at all.

And we are back again to the old continuity factor.

Holo suites and replacators are a spin off of Transporter technology according to Trek Cannon. The food in a holo suite is the same food that a replacator creates. They drink in holo suites, they can eat in them, they can have sex in them. The food and drink are as real as if they came from a replacator. The show made a point to stress that holo suites run off of a differant power source than the replicators. This was a huge hole continuity wise because it was established in both STGN and DS9 that holosuites can generate replicated food. This was never explained in Voyager thus it is one of those things that are open to debate.

Voyager blew the hell out of common sense continuity. Enterprise is walking a very fine line, but the series is not yet complete and they do have an out. Do to the temperal cold war, all of the events in Enterprise may never actually happen in the end. We simply do not know yet.

About the kid on the bridge of Enterprise in TNG, well you gotta remember that the first two season of TNG sucked horribly because Gene was running things. He might have been a gifted man and the creater of Star Trek, but he could not write an episode worth watching. This gets back to the conflict thing I mentioned earlier.

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Wait wait, are you actually complaining that Voyager used to many different extras? Not actual named characters but just the people walking by in the hallways. Dude, they are just scenery. Think of them as mobile plants. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I have to agree with Fyron here. That attitude is bit over the top. I mean plot holes are one thing, but really. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif Next are we going to start complaining that the show was actually filmed on a soundstage in Burbank and the producers didn't actually build a lifesized working Voyager starship and shoot the show on location in space? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Or perhaps they should have used an actual Vulcan actor to play Tu'Vok, instead of a human in latex ears. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Re: Do you like Klingons?

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Originally posted by Atrocities:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Atrocities:
Please keep in mind that these are just prototype images only. I am still working on them all. The Romulan image is just something I threw in for sport. All images are 1024 x 768

Romulan Bird of Prey (Prototype)

Vort'Cha

Klingon BOP

Klingon D - 16 Battle Cruiser

well has any one looked yet? <hr /></blockquote>Those are truly awesome ships man. I wish I could do stuff like that. By the way, you said you used DOGA for that stuff? Is it a freeware program, and if so can I get the site for it off of you? Thanks

Renegade 13

Re: Do you like Klingons?

Atrocities, great ships, finish the damn set and get them on the download site.

Re: Do you like Klingons?

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Originally posted by Atrocities:
... They are out in the middle of no where, yet they manage to show they had over 200 crew memeber, over 200 of them, even thought they had only 135 or so? This is a HUGE fricking plot foul up and yes they should have paid closer attention to this. Cost be damned, it completely underminded the credibility of the show.

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Re: Do you like Klingons?

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Originally posted by geoschmo:
Wait wait, are you actually complaining that Voyager used to many different extras? Not actual named characters but just the people walking by in the hallways. Dude, they are just scenery. Think of them as mobile plants. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I have to agree with Fyron here. That attitude is bit over the top. I mean plot holes are one thing, but really. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif Next are we going to start complaining that the show was actually filmed on a soundstage in Burbank and the producers didn't actually build a lifesized working Voyager starship and shoot the show on location in space? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Or perhaps they should have used an actual Vulcan actor to play Tu'Vok, instead of a human in latex ears. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Well when you put it that way.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif it does seem kinda dumb.

Re: Do you like Klingons?

Renegade, DOGA is available for download from: http://www.doga.co.jp/english/ and there are addon packs also available. Look in the third sticky thread from the top, toward the bottom of the info post for DOGA links.

I recommend that you pay the $40.00 bucks and registar DOGA.

I will work on the set as I get time and once it is finished I will be more than happy to make it available for those who want it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif And thanks for the complements guys.