Re: Poland OOB
 

Pat thank you for this fast answer you have right about real tankers there :( but I try a little bit late but this what I know.

I'm also rather certain that this KASTAM-II will not be used simple is not mentioned anywhere. Also K2PL is a little bit different to standard South Korean K2 Black Panther. Has according to this article https://tech.wp.pl/polskie-czolgi-wy...4691892239296a

Improved construction of armour shell (so probably better than original version but how much ???)
Hull is longer a little bit if you ask how much is mentioned that additional 7th wheel was added

Also are there two MG I my spouse that they may be a polish origin one 12.7mm and one 7.62mm

That all my suggest that New icon may be needed with a little bit longer hull and new polish camo.

https://i.redd.it/v6jqlst43i591.jpg

Re: Poland OOB
 

So the K2PL looks like a Leo 2A5/6 but with square grills over the engine and cage armour around the engine
.
That simplifies Icon creation........

That said that is NOT how it looks in the photos provided so far and note this photo showing the Polish Flag is a six-wheel vehicle

https://zbiam.pl/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/K1.jpg

So MAYBE we should wait until one rolls off the boat..........

Re: Poland OOB
 

For giggles......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx_fbmsSXlk

Note the vehicle .04 seconds in DOES have 7 roadwheels but it's also flying a Turkish flag and .21 seconds and 32 seconds in there is another one but it has six and at 1:02 were back to 7.

At 3:03 they mention adding a 7th road wheel and increasing the weight to over 60 tons with added armour

Let me know when they roll off the boat and we'll see how close this is........
https://forum.shrapnelgames.com/atta...1&d=1666725009

Re: Poland OOB
 

Now I'm also confused but when I look precisely on K2 photo from South Korean roll of ceremony looks more like ordinary K2 Black Panther but in polish camo. Maeaby they are ordinary one version and K2PL will be build in Poland in this version somewhere around 2024/2025. Modern tanks were necessary for yesterday so that is why this hurry?

Hurray :) I found answer on Official government page https://www-gov-pl.translate.goog/we..._x_tr_pto=wapp

First 180 build in Korea scheduled for 2022-2025 are original K2 Black Panther
Next 820 tanks build in Poland in years 2026 -? in K2PL configuration
First 180 starting in year 2026 will be rebuild also to K2PL standard.
So lets assume that after 2028/29 all the tanks will be in K2PL version :)

BTW Greet icon meaby used also to Norwegian future tank K2NO :)

Re: Poland OOB
 

https://www.armyrecognition.com/imag...my_925_001.jpg


https://forum.shrapnelgames.com/atta...1&d=1666728501

Re: Poland OOB
 

Thank you Don
Icons are great and my regards for that you done them so fast :)

When I look on official polish government site mentioned earlier I also found informations that meaby usefully to polish OOB:

48 vehicles K9A1 deliveries in years 2022 to 2023 (they are Korean version with their gun only communication system is Polish)
K9PL new variant will be based on K9A2 will be delivered in 2024 and production in Poland starts in 2026. Also older first K9A1 will be rebuild then to K9PL standard

Re: Poland OOB
 

24 years of experience teaches a thing or two.........


https://forum.shrapnelgames.com/atta...1&d=1666729878

Re: Poland OOB
 

With all due respect, I actually feel the K2PL armor levels will fall somewhere either at the level of the current K1A1/K1A2 (With the K1A2 electronic system upgrades.) or at best between both the K1A1/K1A2 and K2.

Though we are not dealing with DU Armor issues here, we are certainly dealing with classified industrial secrets related in how the armor "came about" (R&D) and manufactured etc. etc.

I've already covered this ground which facilitated us to develop a plausible model for foreign sales M1A2C (SEP 3) tanks as entered in the game with the last patch.

S. Korea is well aware of the "courtship" between China and Russia and both are aligned with N. Korea. The last thing S. Korea wants to see is their version of the K2 being towed, transported or driven off a European battlefield that they have no interest in fighting at themselves.

Also, the same goes for the KASTAM munition which was never mentioned as part of this tank deal.

I have read articles to further this point, quoting U.S. ARMY officers that have no firm data concerning the TYPE 10 tank from Japan about its armor and latest ammo.

Foreign sale tanks come with options that we along with any major tank producing countries offer to foreign countries from armor, electronics etc. etc.

We did the same several years ago when the Ukraine developed the OPLOT-M (T) for Thailand.

Take a look for yourselves, we put together a very capable foreign sales M1A2C that can compete with anything out there.

It's just not an American M1A2C for all the reasons stated above and more not mentioned.

And to clarify and as I have already stated elsewhere, I absolutely can see if the Ukraine should ever get those LEOPARD 2A5 tanks, game wise, they should be the latest version they (Germany) had in service before they retired them.

I hope you see the difference in this last versus the above for a countries most advanced fielded tank.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

Re: Poland OOB
 

They arrived here is movie

https://twitter.com/i/status/1600167432588509185

tanks are in polish camo and SP K9A1 are painted in standard Korean camo.

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/poland-rec...ropelled-guns/


Also Polish Neva SC are in Ukraine already
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/polish-s-1...ng-in-ukraine/

Re: Poland OOB
 

I have heard (can't remember where) that DU is no longer part of the secret sauce on the latest and greatest M1A2 [whatever we call it now] package for US forces.