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I can't entirely agree over HP. Any SC worth the name has enough MR to avoid save or die spells. Irresistible damage is one of the more reliable ways to kill them, and Tarts have an advantage there in that they can take more than 2 hits from Life for a Life, and some can stand up to a Gifts from Heaven.

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There is never enough MR to save from save or die spells. Never. Lost 29MR Water Queen recently to disintegrate that had like 0,0001% chance of getting through.

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I completely agree that you're never safe with MR. But MR is comparatively easy to boost to the level where it's more practical to use Life for a Life/Gifts from Heaven/etc. to kill an SC.

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There aren't any guarantees with MR, but if your MR is 25+, you're either extremely unlucky to lose them, or your opponents may be forced to spend phenomenal amounts of gems - and presumably fewer than it took to cook the SC up in the first place.

I am a little surprised that the central island didn't have had all domes available, even the fire dome just to toast some of the mages.

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Magic gems? You mostly use paralyse, soul slay, disintegrate etc. They do not take gems http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif You or me could have a teleporting mages group able to kill every possible SC before he can move. Just a group of astral mages with penetration gear.

And Dominions has strange random number generator. Rather not the best one, neither really accurate. At least it looks like that. So sometimes quite odd rolls happen.

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Oceania declares war on Rlyeh/Mictlan for leading very boring diplomacy.

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Nah, we declare war on you! Prepare to die!

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And even boring declaration of war http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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You are not better. No wars at all for 61 turns http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif But yeah, we need some action. Maybe I should wish for armageddons? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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I'm starting to get tired of this. I indeed have the island, but my upkeep is greater than income (thank you, C'tis). I'm probably not the only one that wants this game to end; I'm not asking for everyone to give up, but would it be ok if I just turned myself to AI? Mictlan has ridiculously large army, but Pythium has 2 victory points. I don't care anymore who of them wins, and I don't think I want to wage war against anyone now. I think that 6 teams in a map of this size was a bad idea; the game is too stale since there are very few hostile neighbours.

If there's an overwhelming request from the players that I should stay to defend the island from inevitable capture then I can post my turns.. I just cannot actually recapture anything, I cannot build new troops, and most of all, I really don't want to continue.

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Wahey, I actually had an effect on the game.

I would agree that 6 nations is too few and that there are now 3-4 nations too weak to really affect the outcome but too strong to actually be killed off (due to teams) but if 4 of us went ai it would really affect the enjoyment for the rest of the players.

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FrozenFalcon:

You should at least wait until you get that 1 VP, AI would just send that army in almost random direction.

How many people are interested in continuing the game at all? I certainly do not want to let Pythium win. I could maybe agree on that 20-30 turns ago when I was extremely bored. But I couldn't find a sub so I continued.

Niarg:
"The province is free from hostile military units. The army is besieging a Fortified City."

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I've been fighting since crazy old R'lyeh first attacked me I don't know how long ago, so I'm still entertained, no matter how pointless it may be for the one monkey on the one giant's shoulder to knock the other monkey off the other giant's shoulder, or how futile it may be for Abysians to try to wage war underwater. Plus interesting stuff is happening at the portal near me.

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I'd like to retire or go AI, probably wouldn't even have much impact if I did.

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Me too. Since DonC is my teammate I'd be in bad shape if he goes AI. I've thrown all I have against Pythium but its not enough. I've learned a lot and had fun but I'm ready to move on, especially since it looks like the game could continue for a while.

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I'd only go AI with my partner's and the rest of the game players blessing. I am not the type to abandon a game. But this one does look like it will take forever...

If nothing else, maybe Eriu and Marignon both go AI - the RPGers can characterize it as our alliance broke up and smarter leaders, at least in the case of Eriu, took over. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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To be honest I'm getting to the point where I don't see a quick end in sight either. How about electing a winner? Then we could move on to new games.

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We would need consensu though and it may be hard to acchieve.

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How about whoever holds the isle to get the 4th victory point wins or whoever can hold the isle for three consecutive turns? It would shorten the game considerably but still enable everybody to get a chance to take the isle.

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I will vote for whatever proposal ends the game the quickest! If we are electing a winner I would look at the graphs and make a determination based on that.

But the voice of Eriu is like that of Botsawana in the Epikbattel UN - not much influence.

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There's an interesting idea... Everyone gets the biggest army they can together and attacks the isle simultaneously. Whoever is left holding the Isle at the start of the following turn can win.

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Gregstorm:

That would be like lottery. At least to some degree. But attacks would be rather random, so you may get screwed if you have 2nd battle and you lost all gems and some fresh guy attacks you with a lot of gems. But beside from that, assuming everyone gets sucked from gems then the one with most SCs wins. That limits competition a bit. At least we would see really lots of tartarians in action http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Oh, as we didn't decide anything yet I have requested a postpone till Friday. I am going on a trip in the mourning [10PM here now] here : Huashan

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I've a better idea.

Let's take the top 8* players, and have a Quarter - Semi - Final competition at the central island.

Give everyone points equal to their rank on army size and research graphs (as they're the only thing that really count for power purposes) with other stats as a decider in case of ties. Then pit 8v1 (a), 7v2(b), 6v3(c), 5v4(d).

Then winner of (a) plays winner of (d), and (b) versus (c). Then those two winners fight it out.

That will take 7 turns, plus 6 1-turn gaps for the winner of the round to be clear off the central isle**, that will wrap everything up in not too many turns once we're in position. It also 'benefits' the top players, and I think that's fair. Players are allowed to reinforce their armies between rounds as much as they can.

* Particularly as 3 players are miles ahead of the rest, we could just cut the competition down to the top 4 players, save time.

** We can also think of carrying out the heats on other ground where possible to save time if feasible, if the armies can get to the target/central isle for the next round.

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Agema:

So you do not consider yourself in top4 then? From your score graphs it would be Mictlan, Pythium, Machaka, Marignon.

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Well, I could go for that.

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You also forget about big difference between attacking and defending. Also there are things like remote spells that can devastate every army. Also it would probably take around 10-20 turns for every player to move their armies to provinces neighbouring isle [and some gateway would have to be shared]. I don't think that whole thing would be possible to do in less than 20-30 turns total. And that would weaken Machaka, as they are not astral nation and they wouldn't be able to teleport additionally recruited troops in that time.

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I didn't check whether I was in the top 4 and it isn't of vast interest to me. From my point of view, I'm not doing much more in this game than filling in the numbers and the time until someone else wins it, and I suspect that's how everyone who isn't Mictlan, Machaka and Pythium feels. If I had to spend lots of time on my turns, I'd have long since let a sub take over permanently or gone AI.

I would propose remote spells not be used - purely battlefield fighting only. When the two nations fight their round, they both move into the central isle at the same time, thereby making the defender fairly random I think.And in terms of Machaka, last time I fought them they didn't have a shortage of astral mages Indy astral maybe, but astral nonetheless.

Alternatively, other neutral ground - in fact ground with the Dom of none of the participants would be ideal.

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So any conclusions? I got back, going to restaurant soon though. Exhausting trip http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

If anyone wants some photos PM me an e-mail.

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Whatever closes this game in the idiest fashion is fine with me. A few big battles in provinces where everyone can watch sounds pretty good.

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There are few problems with that:

1. Whoever gets in the province gets to defend. It may decide about everything.
2. How can you do the elimination? I can lost like 60% troops and win semi-final to face someone that lost for example 5%.
3. What about dominion in target province? Magic and temperature scales matter.
4. We didn't hear comments from Machaka and Marignon, 2 nations that would make top4.
5. There is still that issue of gathering national forces to fight. Is there any preparation allowed or just forces near the island or other solution.
6. All other players would need to stale during the fight so there are no accusations about anonymous spells.

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From what I have seen, there are too many variables for a tournament to make sense. The only other options that I can see are to end the game now (1st: Mictlan; 2nd: Pythium; 3rd?: Machaka) or to keep playing.

I'm ready to end the game now, but I'll go with whatever the community decides.

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Victor by democratic vote is okay by me, although I'd like to suggest that those who want to be considered for this post their most recent .trn file in order that the merits of their position can be examined.

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C'tis attacked Arcoscephale in one place, interesting http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Just watching my battle at island - vine men are much much stronger than I expected.

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Maybe we could at least wait until the next victory point is awarded, before we warp the game's rules. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Do you plan any hostile actions against my Peace Corps located there? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Abysia has its hands full. However we do have powerful neighbors...

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Although, do we still have an NAP? Did we ever? I can't even remember. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

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Hmm... I think that yep, I have NAP both with you and Pythium. Signed ages ago.

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Hmm, well. It seems that these pacts do not mean too much by this point. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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I think they do. But of course they do not cover Island + all provinces neighbouring the island.

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Bananadine:

Fire Storm needs gems to work http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Oh, and your pretender seems to be missing some rather important body parts...

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He forget them at home is all.

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Well, this is my first time in the late game and I'm certainly learning the hard way.

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Oh, what happened? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif You have the most powerful race of MA, I see nothing really bad in stats http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Your Seraph is still alive too.

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But down an Ark. I wonder how that happened?

And the stats don't give the fine detail that matters, anyway. Research is meaningless now, the army graph is compressed, and so on.

Suffice it to say that I was careless in the setup for a bettle and I lost some units I shouldn't have. All my own fault, and I'll know better next game.

In other news, shall we vote for a winner of the game? I am tempted by a megegame, but won't have time to play it if we're carrying this on for another 25 turns or whatever.

My vote's for Zeldor.

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I know where is the Ark. to be honest I was rather scared of a vision of a group of very high MR SCs teleporting with it on the island.

OH, and why you didn't build a fort on island?

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See Twan in King of the Isle. I thought it would be a bit rude, really. Plus, without a castle you can always use mages as researchers but still act to defend the province. If you're patrolling with normal forces and someone sends in a sneaking force with stealth mages, you could suffer badly if your mages don't poke their noses out of their books until there's a dirty great army laying siege to the castle.

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Do you mean Kingmaker? If so I suggest you sign up now as they're already taking the first alternates. Hopefully we have this game finished by the time the megagame starts. If not I'll be tempted to go AI myself.

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Ooh, I'd better put mys3elf up. At least I won't have to make a list of ten nations now.

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Hmm, how many people are planning to stay in the game?