Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

The vet team has full control of their own alternates. They also have veto power over noob alternates. Though the veto power does need to be exercised promptly in the case of the noob team.

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I think he means someone who has admin powers so if you're not around and they need someone to fill in they can have this person assign a temporary player.

However this is really not necessary, between me and septimius we usually are around for 90% of a given day. I am very easy to reach with pms and can deal with most admin issues if needed.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

thedemon completed his turn and filed a complete report about what he was planning to do on his turn 24hours ago... as of yet he has not submitted the file to llamaserver. Additionally time is running out and he may very well be unaware the file was never submitted and stale despite having done the turn extremely early.

if we had an admin we could just edit the email recipients get the .trn file and submit his .2h for him or something...


of course if I had to nominate someone for the position... I'd probably have nominated thedemon... which wouldn't've been useful in this case...

of course maybe he's not going to stale no one on my team seems to be concerned about this whatsoever.. anyways I'm going to bed shortly .. this isn't really a big issue I'm just hyper about stuff.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

A stale this early would be somewhat bad. If someone needs to temporarily assume control of caelum to prevent a stale that can be arranged.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

24 hour delay please. TheDemon seems to be out of contact.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

If he's already given a detailed description of what he was going to do, can someone else on your team arrange to take the turn via administrator intervention? I'd sort of like to submit one more turn before the holiday weekend to reduce the need for delaying again.

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There's really no need for a seperate admin for a given team. You guys may grant your team captain or anyone else you like on your team the authority to play someone's else's turn. Me or rdonj will be glad to temporarily/permanently switch e-mails for any player. Though, be aware that if you are currently already in the game you may run into issues regarding key violations. But you may also use your regular alternates or anyone else you please, just let us know who it is going to be and provide the e-mail. If the alternate will be available in the future I will add them to the vet alternates list.

Edit: If you vets are absolutely certain you can't find anyone then we can grant the delay Lingchih has asked for. It will just mean we may not see turn 6 till Monday unless alternates/subs can be found by/for those who are traveling.

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Okay, since it is getting very close to hosting I am going to go ahead and add a postponement while this is sorted out. Hopefully the time will not actually be needed though. Btw I have also been hanging around on irc lately, I just lurk mostly but you can get my attention there too.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

Well looks like the turn did get in.:)

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

Overall incomes as of turn 6:

Team Noob gold income: 26945
Team Noob gem income: 143

Team Vet gold income: 11420
Team vet gem income: 71

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

kind of a given that we'll be at more of a disadvantage this game. MA is harder to cheese expansion strats, no NAP favors the noobs since we have to be more cautions not to overextend, and cap income is much larger at 150%.

My apologies for the panic I caused, I thought I had submitted my turn, but either I misremembered or it didn't send. I left for the night and was away the whole day as its Canada Day here. Just got back an hour ago and like 4 people have PMed me on IRC.

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Well at least you can feel like we missed you while you were away. ;)

I still wish we would've gone with Cleveland's placing suggestion, but can't have it all. It just makes this expansion thing a really careful venture.

...any day now...

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If I can prod the last two unsubmitted turns along - should we get the next turn in like an hour (its 9:30PM central US time now) I can take mine before the weekend.

Yes, my plan is 'miss the holiday traffic by driving really late at night', why do you ask?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

TheDemon, Atul. I think that this time around we really have come as close to balanced as this concept has so far allowed.

I agree that the vets might have a better chance of exploiting an early game NAP to gain a territorial advantage due to their generally quicker rate of expansion and knowledge of various tactics for dealing with the tougher indies, but both sides in theory could take advantage of such a thing.

Regarding map placement, I would point out we are using the vet's own placement suggestion. The symetrical map makes equi-distant and fair starting placement more likely.

The vets do have Ashdod and Vanheim, two solid and strong nations.

The vets have the legendary Dr. Praetorius, and the fabulous Baalz. Whom we expect great things from.:D

Lingchih and TheDemon are both experienced vets as well.

And then there is the ultra powerful Mysterioso.:eek:

Virtual guranteed control of the southern polar province with its 15 neighbors is not a bad thing either.

Yes, I myself probably would have prefered a super wide map with land placements so far apart it would allow for full development and the clashing of large armies no earlier than turn 20 or beyond, but the quality of the map, the symetry, and the strategic element the surrounding sea provinces provide, I think make the map and placement chosen a decent choice.

I just wanted to point out some things, lest either team think they've not been given an equal and fair shake. I would have liked even more experienced vets on the vet side (and dare I say even more first time noobs on the noob team), but we get what we can get, not for lack of trying.

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Ok, I really should have left already, but am now submitting my turn 7 and then leaving for Independence Day weekend.

I'm requesting a delay on turn 8 until monday so i can be sure I can be back in time to play it. I may be able to play and submit it sunday depending on traffic/when i get home, but I'd like to know I don't *have* to. Hope this isn't too much of a delay, and thank you to the last people for getting their files in quickly enough that I could play this turn and not delay us too long.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

Well, have a good trip and holiday (you and anyone else traveling or not) and thanks to you and everyone else for getting any turns in that you can.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

Thats what the holiday is, it hadn't mentioned Independence Day I wouldn't of known to watch the movie.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

Sept, I wasn't complaining about the balance, I was just explaining the income gap that rdonj was pointing out. At this point, its logical, and we might never catch up this game, but we'll see where we're at turn 15 or so.

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I'm going to keep posting the total incomes in the noob forum each turn, but I think I will stick to every 5 turns here (starting turn 10) unless someone actually wants a turn by turn total in this thread. I think it's definitely expected for the noobs to hold a strong early gold lead, and probably to maintain a significant advantage for a good length of time even if they do lose. The gold discrepancy probably would have looked similarly scary in the last game, not to mention the first.

Gem income is much more relevant anyway and the vet team seems to be closing the gap there. Of course you're still behind probably over 200 gems in total from the start of the game at this point.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

Well, yes, of course. Such an income gap is to be expected with twice as many players on one team as the other. I would expect many other stats to be 2x1 as well, though the deviations from this may signal a shift in the balance of power in favor of one team or another. Something that is worth monitoring as we go forward. Any other stat summaries would be welcome, should anyone wish to do them.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

There's only one meaningful statistic, and we can at best extrapolate:

# of noobs who have the faintest inkling of the beatdown in store for them:
0 / 12 (0%)

It wouldn't be fair to administer such a total shellacking without *some* warning, however. Here again is your clue:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moxibustion

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

DrP, no foreboding on public channels.

These noobs might despair and stop playing before fun starts or something.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

And here I thought you guys just made that one up.

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Noobs beware! :rolleyes:

The vets have launched Operation Moxibustion! :eek:

Must be some sort of desperate suicide attack(s) against a few as yet unknown targets.:D

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

...

Yes.

Exactly that.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

get a sub to provide an alternate turn for caelum? adding a day to an already 3or4 day turn might not be ideal?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

Caelum may submit his turn yet before its due. His active period on the N00b forums has been late night - early morning relative to US time (Possibly he's in Europe?).

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

my comcast services are experiencing trouble.
i am logged in in a lab using unix.

my turn was done yesterday and i used a usb stick to submit it just now (the turn is as was discussed on irc before we stopped discussing it)
hopefully the internet will be fixed tomorrow

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

If caelum and eriu don't get their turns in soon I'll postpone the hosting a few hours. If you're working on your turns now you're cutting it awful close.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

yeah, I think probably give it a day delay. I know Baalz is without reliable internet access.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

Done. I had the feeling baalz wouldn't be around this time of night.

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Sorry guys, the unsecured network I was leeching off of went down. :/ Found another one now, it's at a condo so hopefully it's more reliable.

I was quite misinformed as to the accommodations here. Beachhouse = cabin without a phone much less net connection. Thanks for being flexible! :) Taking my turn now. (in my car parked under this beach condo)

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

Overall incomes, turns 4-10:

Team Noob gold income: 106172
Team Noob gem income: 490

Team Vet gold income: 48,835
Team vet gem income: 289

Noob advantage: gold 2.17x, gems 1.7x

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

Now THAT's dedication!

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

Or addiction!

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

So this is due, but I would like to request to set the hosting timer to 48 hours instead. Both namad and baalz are having internet issues and while they're getting their turns in fine, they don't have the opportunity to review our planning in the current interval. 2 days gives an opportunity to consider input.

I'll also be sending Sept a PM.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

The hosting interval now stands at 40 hours, next turn hosts Friday 5:35 GMT. TheDemon has requested that we jump ahead to a 48 hour hosting interval due to Internet issues with some of the vets. Are there any objections?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

Nope

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

Very well, if there are no objections we shall move to a 48 hour host. Do get your turns in as quickly as you can though. Lingchih, as usual I am placing you in charge of turn enforcement.

I must say, I am a bit saddened. :(

What a nail biter!:popcorn:

The action promises to be fast and furious if not rather exhausting mentally.

Well, at least we'll have more time for planning and so forth. :happy:

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

Well it's you well-connected noobs we're still waiting for, all the connection-impaired have submitted turns. So, trying to live forever by delaying the inevitable? Is that life I ask you!

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

Caelum, Agartha, get your turns in.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

I don't suppose there could be ~6 hour delay or somesuch? I'd like to give Agartha and Caelum a chance to actually take their turns, and we haven't heard a peep out of them on the forums in awhile.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

To keep things moving, I was planning on moving to the 48 hour interval as of turn 11, though Caelum and Agartha may be under the impression it applies to the current turn as I did not specify. To keep them from staling, though, we will change the current interval if need be (and it looks like the need may be indeed be there).

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

Hosting interval now changed to 48 hours. Reminders sent to Agartha (Pelthin) and Caelum (Skinu).

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

On another topic, the vets choice of T'ien Ch'i is interesting. A nation with incredible unit diversity, it is apparently a good choice for those who are expert enough to deploy the right units in the right situations. Though, as with all nations, they've weaknesses that can be exploited. Will be interesting to watch.

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This is bull****. I expected to get a new turn tonite.
I think the noob team is calling in favors. 48 hour host is enough. Let's get this game going again.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

It wasn't scheduled to be a 48 hour host. All Sept did was make it so it actually was a 48 hour host.

That said, would you rather beat us because you actually played better, or because some of our teammates can't seem to get their turns in on time? (Still no idea where Agartha is...).

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

Anyway a little more of discipline regarding turn sending should be warranted. It's always frustrating to see one person being late and game delayed because of it. Nothing encourages you to do your turns in time like a stale turn every now and then.

Of course, acts of god and difficult situations that are announced in advance are a different thing.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

I think it would be hypocritical to claim these delays are unfair when we vets have requested and gotten our fair share of delays when one of us (ok, mostly me) vanishes as well.

A turn would be nice though.

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It's no way unfair. Just unfortunate that it keeps taking so long.