Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

I hate to double post, but can we turn the game speed back up to 36 hours? This waiting **** is getting old, I want to play my next turn, and 36 hours is more than enough while accomdating international players.

Personally I'd like to see us go to 27 hour hosting intervals.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Would have no Problem with it, but I'm only subbing the doomed Shins...

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

It occurs to me re-reading the previous part of the thread that this might be a llamaserver error and not a game admin thing, in which case I generally indicate that I hope we go back to 27 hours when the llamaserver stops hiccuping.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

OK, let me know when to pull the trigger on setting the hosting interval to a lesser amount.

Nathan

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Maybe 36, but please, not less than that. I'm a busy guy, and I just started a second game.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

yeah, I reckon this has been longer than a 48 hour wait, and I am getting a bit impatient. Lets say if next turn drags on this long, I'll change it to 36.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Abysia just assassinated one of my commanders. I was going to attack Pangaea, but it looks like Abysia done declared war first.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

36 hours is bad as it means host time shifts by 12 hours every time, so people with a schedule(work, school, etc) need to find different times to do their turn each time, instead of reserving a certain period of the day whenever its available to do their turn each time. we're late enough in the game to warrant 48 hour turns anyway, heck some games would be on a 72 hour schedule at this stage in the game...

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

I have to agree with this... what's the big rush for 36 hours? I was always under the impression that, as the game goes longer, the turn time increases, not decreases. I think we should go back to 48 hours, and if there is a particular person who always waits until the last moment, we'll all gang up on him :D.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

I don't understand this reasoning. You would need to submit the turn ASAP, but if you do, you could still play the turn at the same Time of day with an 36 Hour shedule.
Sometimes you would need to wait for the next day, but you could do it, if you want.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

why would you need to submit the turn ASAP? that's a huge limitation already... sometimes you don't have the time right away, and need the delay. a 36 hour schedule basically means that once every 2 turns you lost a good 6-8 hours of potential dominions time due to sleeping. also for people who are used to do their turn each time at the same hour, these 12 hour shifts really make a difference. there's really no reason to keep turns away from normal whole day intervals, so 24, 48, 72, etc.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

I think what he is getting at is that a lot of us have routines, and Dominions falls at a certain time every day. For example, some of us only have spare time at night, so let's say there is three hours worth of micromanaging; with 48 hours, I can be somewhat relaxed and do 90 minutes a day. With 36 hours, depending on where the time falls sometimes I'd get 90 minutes, sometimes I'd have to dedicate three hours.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

So, it looks to me like the llamaserver decided, as it has been doing lately, to arbitrarily postpone our turn a day or two, which got everyone impatient and gave us the idea of 36 hour turns.

I agree with the 48 hour group, and will be keeping the turns there. If you object, buy more mages and micromanage more :p. the next few turns should still be alot faster than the last one...

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

48 hours blow, because the turn keeps 'creeping' forward during the day.

Also, who wants to sell me water gems. I have nature gems going cheap?

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

CthulhuDreams: I have 8 water gems I'll trade you for 8 nature gems. I can send them this turn if you confirm the trade. :)

Thanks!

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

You fool! He has a 75% Forging discount! Don't give him anything that isn't 3:1 or you're getting horridly ripped off.

Make it 8 water gems for 24 nature!

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Nosantee: Good point! That squid lover does inhabit the sea.

I demand 12 pounds of lobster, 10000 shrimp, and a speckled sea bass that sings Elvis tunes along with my nature gems you seaweed lover!

Hah! That'll show em!

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

while there is talk of trading, anyone have excess earth? I can trade for anything but air or water.

next turn though.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Colonial:

I have 10 earth I can trade for 10 nature.

If you agree, let me know which turn to send em. :)

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Brillient nrash, sounds perfect. I will send the gems on turn 47 to reach you turn 48. more or less out of gems this turn.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

I just go badly burnt by a bug to do with ritual of returning, aquatic critters and UW capitals.

I'd like to request a rollback so I can do something that will result in me not losing a significant gem investment. Like.. set the armor of ****ing virtue on fire.

Bug has been independantly confirmed by Calahan:

[Starspawn with 26 HP]

11:32 <Calahan> Yeah, seems like a bug with RoR and being underwater
11:33 <Calahan> log confirms you took 21hp damage
11:33 <Calahan> and auto returning activated

[Starspawn disappears off the face of the earth]

So anyway, I'd really appreciate a rollback. Shouldn't be a huge issue for everyone else as you can resubmit the same turn.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Though thanks to the forge it's really more around 40 gems, less if he used any hammers, it still sucks to get screwed over my a bug.
I vote fully for the 1 turn roll back.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

I'd be up for it. I vote Aye.

If I remember correctly, blackguard strongly objected to a rollback in another game...

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

I'm fine with it... do I wait for a resend of turn 47?

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

I'm not going to weep bitter tears if it doesn't get rolled back, so if there is serious opposition. Did anyone fight any big battles or anything?

If so, that would preclude a rollback proberly.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Rollback is fine w/ me as well.

Nathan

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

The only thing that would happen to me is that I would get the random magic paths on a specter re-scrambled, which would probably be a good thing...

rollback schedualed for 3 hours from now, if we get no objections.

are you going to need to re-upload, cthulu?

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Ok gentelmen,

I've rolled back the turn. I'll give Cthulu around 24 hours to fix up his armer of vertue problem, then re-host.

fingers crossed there are no ****ups.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

So do we all need to resend our turns again?

Nathan

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Correct, it's very simple though. If you use hotmail like me I just found the latest send for turn 46 and resent that email.

DO-NOT waste your time and redo your turn since you don't have if you still have a copy of the sent email in your sent folder.

...If you don't have it then I guess you're SOL unless you saved that .2h file.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Quick post to say that only the player(s) needing to make changes should submit a turn file during a rollback. Or just CthulhuDreams in this case.

The llamaserver still has all the previous turn files that were sent in (even though the status page says "waiting for .2h file"), and if it doesn't receive a new turn file, it will use these old turn files when the turn hosts. So nobody will stale who didn't stale last time.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Ah, nevermind.

this was going to be a long post about how everyone needed to re-upload, and how annoying that was. I'm glad to hear thats not the case.

we should be looking at the genuine turn 47, with all the dice re-rolled, tomorrow afternoon. or earlier is Cthulu is quick...

Edit: well afternoon my time, whatever that is for you all...

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

I'm at work right now, but will do it ASAP :)

Edit: ASAP means in 8-9 hours.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Turn in.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

re-hosted

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

So.. anyone want to buy the armor of virtue? It's not buggy at all and won't eat your commanders... if your capital is on the surface :D

It's actually pretty bling for a low HP thug relying on awe, luck and ethernalness not to get hit.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Shinuyama PD defeated an Pangean(?) Army. :D

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

I saw that, made my day. Aparently centaurs are cowards!

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

As the host has indicated, my income has suddenly sky-rocketed but it is not from cheating. As you can tell, Cthulu has cast Well of Misery and from it springs increased tax revenue from all provinces.

This has aparently given me an additional 700gold/turn. Going from 7500 to 8200. Thank you R'lyeh, I appreciate the boost.

PS: Damnit Abysia, it was funny when you were doing so little with assassinations, but you just killed a very important magic item holding mage in a stack of 60 other commanders, what are the damned odds?

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Okay, there is without a doubt some bugging out going on. all of my mystics hired last round have turned into hoplites (Still has their magic) and a scout has turned into a Mystic with no magic.

Each of the hoplites I hired 1 of them turned into mystics! This game seems a little ****ed at the moment. One the upside, I now have many S2-3 mages with PROT 18! HAHA!

I also seem to own Ferrus the Iron Mage not as a merc, but actually OWN him in my capital without having placed a bid.

I think the rollback and re-doing of the turn between patches has messed some things up since when I first got the turn it was fine last time.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

yeah, rollback+new patch is just asking for disaster. too bad you guys rolled the game back so quickly, and I was busy with other things that day, so I didn't even reply in this thread. but as 1 of you said here earlier, I would have strongly objected to it because of these exact things. a bug with armor of virtue? I'm pretty sure it was a known bug already, in fact armor of virtue has quite a few bugs related to it that are known. that certainly is no reason for a rollback Imho, especially when also transitioning into a new patch.

I haven't looked at my new turn yet, so I have no idea how it's looking from my perspective. but I suspect you're not the only 1 with bugs. we'll have to wait and see how many other bugs already popped up for everyone else to see where we want to go from here. but for next time, please for the love of god stop being so trigger happy regarding rollbacks! rollbacks are a serious trouble spot, which is why llamabeast posted that warning on llamaserver and requests you to submit "I am sure", he did that from experience, not because he's a meanie. it's a known issue that keeps repeating itself in various manifestations, basically it's a beast better left slumbering than awakened.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

s**t! I'd bet it's a rollback f**kup.

I have no idea how to deal with this. I think the choices are:

1. Live with it
2. Try another rollback, and hope this one comes without bugs
3. Pester Llamabeast, or someone else who knows what they are doing
4. Throw in the towel on the game

Anyone who checks this post, please drop a reply saying which one to go for.

Personally I'm leaning towards another rollback.


Right, yeah, good point on the Rollback+Patch over...

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

rolling back for an AoV bug is a no-no. AoV is always somewhat unreliable - you want to use it, you take the risks.

Your only real option I think is to rollback, wipe out all the .2h's and have everyone complete a fresh turn - do not resubmit the old turn!

good luck :)

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

I say we just live with it. I seem to be the only one effected anyway and it doesn't hurt me too much (Well, 13 unusable in combat hoplite mystics cause they have spellcasting enc 15 sucks and 13 mystic UNITS instead of hoplites)

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

no further rollback, as long as Shinuyama isnt finished off ;)

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

yeah, that's 1 of the main issues. many people don't realize that after a rollback you need to delete both the .trn and .2h files before inserting the rollbacked turn. that's 1 of the primary sources of rollback induced errors. than there are the other usual suspects like people using different OPs(operating systems, windows xp, vista, 7, as well as various linux and whatever else people use), than you mix the usual random errors related with rollbacks and on top of it all add a new patch. it was just a horrible decision to make this rollback to begin with, but we can't spin back the wheel, so I just hope you new game hosts out there learn from all these mistakes and stop being so trigger happy on clicking the rollback option for any minor issue that pops up in whatever game. it's just not worth it.

so, as we can't spin back the wheel, we gotta make do with what we have. I doubt rerolling back after a rollback+patch will actually solve the problems, not to mention not add any new problems. however it's worth a shot as we can't really continue with a variety of bugs. I'm afraid that eventually we'll have to throw in the towel, but before that we certainly need a rollback, delete all the previous files and submit new turns(not the previous turns like the current rollback).

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

I might just start playing the lottery! :p

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

No more rollbacks! If we're going to keep doing that, you'll need to find a sub for me.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Okay, someone has to explain this sixth global **** to me. I know I put more pearls into that damn Nexus than anyone has put into any enchantments to date, yet somehow Pangaea's Carrion Woods, with 90 gems DISPELLED my freaking 170 pearl Nexus on the ****ing turn it was cast.

I really- REALLY need someone to explain to me how this damn system works cause at the moment it just looks like 'cast a global, replace an old global of any size and price no problem!'.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

I don't know how the globals work. but let me put forward my emmence gratitude that we arn't having to deal with a nexus at this stage :P.

I was sure the mother oak was toast when I saw 2 globals...

guess the lategame has begun, gentlemen.

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In other news, any further rollback bugs?