Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

I was talking about things like that:

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

Parone: You will win. With my massive research curve I have just researched Evocation Level 28: Nuclear weapons. I am about to have my mages cast it, destroying all people and turning them into skeletons and a wasteland. You being far from me will be only survivor.

Of course a wasteland with just skeletons is right up Bone Daddy's alley. Well, on to plan B.

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

i was actually counting on you researching nukes. built my whole grand strategy around it!

shard-while that is obviously a post by me, i still don't understand it! if lazarus was dead(and we all know he died A LOT in this game) how could i plan to kill you with him? it seems a laughable idea now, alive or dead, as he may have proved to be one of the least formidable SCs in the history of dominions.

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

Starting on a barren rock was REALLY painful. I had 2 good provinces from my initial expansion, all others had like 1-2k pop.

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

Don`t overestimate. Like 5 times only... Maybe even less.
I think, you meant "is going to die in the near future". And he was quite nice, actually (esp. with all the snakes). But you need to work on your equipment/buff strategy.

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

yeah. true. not only can i not kill SCs, i can't make em either. i reread the posts(what fun!) and you are right-he wasn't dead, it was just the general opinion that he'd BE dead soon.

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

In fact, later attempts were much better.

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

Population? What's that? :)

Bone Daddy ghoulified his remaining population from his heartland to man his fortresses and prevent the nasty space monsters (R'leyh) from casting imprint souls on us.

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

I'd suggest Holy Hand Grenades.

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

Another major factor was that we had a few people go AI earlier than they should have in my view, which didn't help the cause of the living. I'm sure Midgard and R'lyeh had legitimate reasons, but they could have really slowed me down if they were managed by a person. Even as an AI they each managed to wipe a large army -- and I'm still haven't taken Midgard's capitol yet.

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

Maybe you threatened him in one of your drunken rants?

Liberating you was my secret trump card against Shard: Once you pull the crazy man from his box, it's hard to stuff him back in.

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

Yes. That drives me nuts when players go AI early. I can understand when you have no army left and no prospect for raising an army. I can also understand when the game is pretty much done (like this one is now) or if your personal life gets in the way. But we were begging Midgard and Pangaea(when Aderion was playing) to think about the threat of Ermor and they showed little interest...and of course when Midgard got invaded he bailed. R'lyeh also. I really respect Parone for hanging in. He probably prevented me from getting attacked.

Hell I'm in another game now where I was just down to my capital and it was seiged. The player seiging me got attacked by 2 other nations and now I'm able to break the siege and even grabbed a couple of provinces. I won't win, and yes I'd rather be competetive in the game, but I'll have a hell of a good time being a thorn in his side now, learning a few things and see how far I can get.

A lot of respect also for Russian. He could have bailed after Patala and R'lyeh did, but he didn't. Holey also kept at it.

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

Maybe you threatened him in one of your drunken rants?


it is oddly liberating that my shrapnel friends know that i am a part time drunk. no more hiding for me!

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

I think I"m going to get drunk tonight!

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

I know you guys are about ready to throw in the towel, but if everyone banded together you still might be able to make a go of this thing. I'll readily admit that I'm in a incredibly strong position (assaulting my homeland would be the stuff of nightmares for an invader) and the chances are definitely in my favor, but I'm still a newbie with only one game under my belt and another one that's in progress (I'm about to lose that game in progress BTW), and it feels like I barely know what I'm doing half the time, so there's still a little bit of hope.

I'm all with you about Paron: He was a steely eyed missile man throughout this entire game and deserves a huge amount of credit for tenaciously resisting Ulm.

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

I'll want to see some of my armies get wiped out before throwing it in. If nothing else I'll have fun killing dead guys! LOL

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

Really interesting subject brought up though was the Utterdark being cast.

I had not thought of it in terms of hurting people you have NAPs with.

Now my mind has been awakened to this i would definitely cancel NAPs before hand.

All I need to do now is be good enough in a game to cast the damn thing.

I am not holding my breath.

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

It was. I can justify it by making pedantic arguments about scouts and what not, but I'll give notice next time I cast it.

Atlantis,

For what it's worth, I'm sorry. Honestly, it didn't cross my mind when I cast the thing that I should have broken my NAPs, but in retrospect, it would have been the right thing to do. This is one of the many reasons I still consider myself a newbie.

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

No need to apologize, you did what you needed to do to win (and it was pretty interesting to watch), and it is just a game. And yeah, I plotted with Bogarus and Ulm against you and planned to attack you in three turns from the current turn. This turn I hoped to start my armies moving to you borders and to send you NAP annulment message.


The main mistake that I did in game was not pressing you hard enough. After battle at your capital I had to keep pushing, even with no money to hire my troops. And I needed to buy more supply items faster, actually I had only one cauldorn when I assaulted your capital. The next turn my retreating forces mixed with reinforcments and were starved as a result.


Still, I have some forces to throw at Ermor now. I'm really going to fight till the last amphibian.

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

Comrade,

I think maybe cutting Rev2 a break here for future games and diplomacy could be the go.
I am all for NAPs and abiding by them, if people feel differently thats fine, its a free world...but I will stick to my word.

But honestly, I would have cast UD not realising that its negative effects on anyone I had a NAP with was in fact a breach of the NAP.

Now, thanks to this discussion I have been enlightened and I doubt from reading Revs comments above, he will do so in the future......its the little things like this that make you realise, you still have a long way to go in learning all about this game.

Enjoy your final battles Matt, and thanks for a great game until I got swamped that is...lol.

HD

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

AFAIK, all game-ender spells are considered breaking a NAP - even the ones that don`t hurt you directly, like Arcane Nexus, or Forge. Just because casting one is effectively saying "and now I gonna win this game".

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

shard-

so, say i was ulm and had a nap with you. do i have to give you three turns notice before i throw up the forge? or are you saying, i put it up, then our nap is null and void?

honestly just asking here.

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

It has no direct negative effect on his income, gem or otherwise...so I would say no cancellation is necessary.

I believe what SP is saying (correct me if I am wrong SP)is that when you put up such globals...you put a giant target on your back.

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

This. Forge, if used correctly, can promote a nation from "strong" to "unbeatable" in like 2-3 turns (and if one casts it - he, most likely, has enough gems and forging plan), so giving a 3-turn notice is a luxury that generally cannot be afforded. Same with Arcane Nexus - it can generate over 100 pearls/turn (assuming there is active endgame going), so it becomes nasty really fast.
Of course, it depends - sometimes those enchantments are more of a way to level playing field somewhat.

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

This turn was crazy!

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

How So?

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

We threw everything we had at Atlantis. If we had a kitchen sink we would have tossed it at him as well.

Don't worry Matty, we'll have some fun next turn ;)

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

Yes. I saw that Army fast approaching...Fun Fun FUn!

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

That would have been pretty wild if you kept up the attack. I had real problems hurting your troops so you probably would have been able to cause a LOT of damage for me and possibly knock me out since I wouldn't have been able to withstand both you and Patala. However, that would have been quite a sacrifice on your part, and I'm not sure it would have helped you win the game because you would have been a sitting duck for Abysia then.

I think you made the right call, although I could tell that my dominion really messed you up economically. I was able to exploit that to a certain extent this past turn with that arouse hunger spam since most of your provinces only had 1 PD. By the way, this is one of the many reasons scouts are so dangerous: I had mapped all of our provinces defenses so I could pearl harbor your temples. I was originally going to just hit the temple provinces without fortresses, but then I realized I could hit ALL of your provinces in one turn. Don't hate me :)

By the way, who gave you that supply item? Bone Daddy would like to have a few words with your supplier :)

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

Hm. Do you realize that I was unable to even buy PD to get protection from riders before your attack due to the amusing fact that somehow last turn my money hit the zero? Same with you able to strike at my capital with plague. Pearl Harbor actually happened last turn, with my carriers sunk in the harbor as well.

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

Utterdark drops your income to 10% of what it was. And your upkeep stays the same.
Abyssian troops cannot get underwater, even with items. And knowing, that some part of enemy empire is effectively immune to your attacks - well, it`s a huge deterrent for some.

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

That was sarcasm on my part. :D

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

Oh, sorry. I have troubles understanding written sarcasm. %)

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

It looks like the real fun won't happen for another turn or two since our main armies are our of position.

We'll be watching the skies for more fireballs...

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

I'm all with you about Paron: He was a steely eyed missile man throughout this entire game and deserves a huge amount of credit for tenaciously resisting Ulm.[/quote]

this makes me sound so much cooler than i have ever actually been in real life. thanks rev.

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

You rock Parone!

Rev: I hope those 2 armies get to clash. Strategically its lost, but some mega-battles should be fun. I'm going to send out all my armies and let them fight until they are dead or deserted!

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

Bone Daddy's minions smell delicious brains up North and are rushing as fast as their rotten legs will take them.

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

Confusion's working on undead chaff? Interesting.

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

Your main army has almost 70 astral mages and a mix 10 decked out Zmeys and Bane Lords with a couple of construction 8 items for good measure. I'm sure it would be loads of fun for you if we attacked this force, but it would be suicide on our part.

Same thing with Atlantis who has a couple of big armies to the South, one of which has been been carefully designed to cast Undead Mastery using an elaborate communion with lots of penetration items.

Sorry fellas, Bone Daddy might be undead, but he's not crazy. We're going to let you guys chase around our armies for awhile until they bleed out some more and we can gather enough forces to crush you.

This won't be very much fun for you guys because your armies will succumb to desertion and disease (waves of leprosy headed your way BTW) while I send lots of little armies to raid your rear areas and assassinate your commanders with Manifestation, Earth Attacks, and seeing arrows. I have big evocation spells coming online soon, too, which will just compound your misery.

If all the remaining players concede then I'd be happy to throw everything I have in waves of suicide attacks and test various tactics, but until then, I'm playing this thing like I can still lose it, which means I'll be as merciless and cunning as I can be.

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

do what you need to do. There isn't a snowballs chance of winning this regadless. Even if all your armies suddenly disappeared. Between the globals that are cast, your massive gem income and the rituals you could cast. Our armies are toast. I ended my siege of Marignon to face you in battle and that has allowed him to chip away also. If we fight some battles, great. If not, I'll watch my forces bleed until its time to call it quits.

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

Issues with work. I'm going to postpone 24 H

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

Everyone left in this game deserves a huge amount of credit for hanging in there so long against nearly impossible odds. I have a lot of respect for anyone that has a never say die attitude and sticks it out to the bitter end.

Matty/RC,

Both of you guys are currently marching into the heart of darkness. I can't imagine the hell your armies are going through now -- especially the Atlanteans who've been hit with waves of diseases, assassinations, blizzards, and assorted zombies falling from the sky.


Matty,

I think you're going to get that battle you asked for -- although it won't be for another turn. I want to test out a few tactics against your crazy-big communion, but I need to complete my research first.

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

haha. shard went AI! i outlasted him after all. with a small assist from rev...

hey rev, is your AAR dead? i don't blame you if it is. just the turns must be sucking up hours. but i WAS really enjoying it. you really did end up with some early game problems, and came through them nicely.

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

The diseases were a real killer. I really wanted to go with smaller battle groups as opposed to 1 big army but unfortunately it got a little too busy too fast up north and I ended up consolidating into 1 big army....1 big diseased army now!!

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

It's definitely not dead, but I've had some time issues and probably won't get a chance to update it further until after this game is over.

I have been taking screen-shots and notes after each turn, but those last couple of turns -- one of which had 50+ battles -- are going to be pretty daunting to write-up with as much detail as the earlier turns.

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

Leprosy is a real nasty spell: It causes a lot of long-term devastation that's not easily countered, and it's cheap to cast and easily attainable.

As far as I know, the only ways for most nations to remove disease are the Chalice, Faery Queen, or the Gift of Health, none of which are easily attainable and each have certain caveats.

I would have been using Leprosy even more against you, but the Sword of Aurgelmer (awesome artifact BTW) reduces it's effectiveness.

By the way, as Bogarus the ability to heal afflictions can be quite useful because it lets you develop mind hunters without as much worry about the effects of feeble mind

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

Doh. Major miscalculation on my part: Undead Mastery requires 6D and not 7D. I won't make that mistake again. Take care of my undead for me Atlantis.

Matty, you were supposed to stand still so I could pummel your mages with Rain of Stones. Now I'm going to have to chase you down. If you could do me a favor and blow out Midgard for me to your South while you're raiding, I would appreciate it. Between you and Atlantis, I can never seem to find time to take care of their last fortress (it's full of delicious air mages BTW).

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

I won't survive much longer. I had 2 things I was hoping to protect me from ROS. Just curious if you know if I was correct in knowing that they would have helped:

1) I had a mage with a Crystal matrix set to cast Fog Warriors on round 1. I'm assuming if you break siege he would act first and cast it which should protect from the ROS?

2) I had a sword of Augelmer. Keyword Had. Someone swiped it.

Also as an FYI the mage scripted to cast Fog Warriors got bumped off this turn so I would have been screwed too!! :)

BUT assuming you hadn't removed both of those from me. I'm assuming both, particularly first would have protected me?

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

Yeah. He would have definitely cast it first, so you would have been well protected from ROS.

Guilty :) I used wish to steal it from you (along with the chalice this turn -- can't have you making Tartarians). If you had engaged my army you would have been facing 3,500 undead buffed with army of gold, fog warriors, and luck.

I used all my remote attacks against Atlantis last turn. It must have been due to disease?

Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
 

Actually, ROS only casts 100 fatigue. If I wasn't an idiot I would have scripted it to cast twice, which probably would have done a lot of damage.