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To clarify my above post: The beginning of it is an exclamation of disbelief regarding the characterization of air magic as weak. Not meant to be hostile, so my apologies if it was taken that way.

The second half, which brings up the MoD abuse angle is something I do mean. K's post, along with his earlier defense of MoD's current workings being okay gives me the perception that it's about resistance to having something exploitative removed simply because he has gotten used to and comfortable using it when playing an air nation. Whether that perception is correct or not is another issue, but it is how it appears to me.

There is no personal animosity involved on my part here.

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Really? You wouldn't find that disrespectful if it was directed towards you?

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Foodstamp, yes, if there are any warnings to be dealt out here, won't be by me anymore, because as you said, I'm too involved. Can't act as the judge in a case where I'm a participant. So if anything serious comes up, I'll kick it up to Strider, Daynarr, Mindi and Annette and they'll sort it out.

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Aye, when it comes to a grey area like this, it is hard to be unbiased even if you are not personal involved.

Tuidjy is involved in atleast one game where the MOD thing has happened, so by reflex he insults other people who bring up the other side.

This topic is on your shortlist, so it would be crazy for you to stay unbiased through the whole thing, because it would go against something you have documented to be fixed.

The best fix has been mentioned a few times already, to handle it on a game by game basis. The best fix is probably not to tell people they are high, afraid of losing a toy (like they are children), or categorizing their behavior as retarded.

P.S. I mean best fix until the devs alter it (if they alter it).

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I'm used to people on the internet using false arguments to attempt to persuade others because they cannot win the argument. For example, attacking someone's credibilty rather than the points of their argument is a classic false argument.

My apologies. I thought I had a valid point. Considering that a number of people addressed the points of my argument (that Air magic is the weakest path and doesn't need further nerfing) means that at least some posters found it valuable or at least interesting. I didn't intend to start a heated and hurtful confrontation.

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I agree with Twan in that Mists of Deception should be not used at all.

Even if your opponent uses Mists of Deception as responsibly as possible, the spell is unbalanced. If your opponent casts it, unless you are lucky enough to kill the caster, you cannot win the battle. And chances are the caster will route.

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qft

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triqui, let's not pour more gasoline on the fire. I made an injudicious comment that I needed to and did clarify, so quoting it just to post some one-liner in reinforcement is hardly going to do this thread any favors.

I should also take this opportunity to make an apology for letting myself get too involved in this discussion in the wrong sort of way and losing the neutrality I should have retained. I do not have any personal stake in this as such, but a moderator should be able to maintain neutrality as well as an appearance of neutrality in threads like this.

So, K, Foodstamp, I'm sorry for that lapse. Hopefully my views as a whole have been clearly expressed after all the clarifications. And since they have been expressed, I expect that I will not take much of an active role in this discussion after this post. I'll keep an eye on it, though.

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This thread was really over several posts ago. Triqui's quote should give you a good idea of what has been going for the last little while in this thread, just people trying to perpetuate an argument. I am a bit annoyed I got caught up in it myself, but it was too late that I realized that people were not looking for debate but rather conflict and attention.

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And I think that Mists are NICE and not using them would be foolish.

/me is looking for gas to put on the fire, and conflict and attention

(what does mists actually do?)

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