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Oh noes they send fake emails to your address?!?! People do it all the time its called Phishing its nothing new and doesn't mean you CN account is in any way compromised, if it was they wouldn't need to be phishing... and I don't know about the rest of you but I have yet to recieve any such mail.

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They have your addresses to target you is the interesting part CW. At least they don't have your PW. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

"WTH!? I didn't aid my entire military away!"

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Talvonia is rising in the ranks of the Wombat Protectorate. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Well you guys are going to find out about this sooner or later. The system was compromised and the people that did that did it for many reasons. One of which was to manipulate the system so that they could ensure victory against other players. While there has only been rumor based reports of abuse, such as being hit by more than two cruise missiles by the same nation in course of an hour, and not at update time, being attacked with 100 troops and loosing even though you have 2000 troops, there is still abuse. Good luck to you all. I hope that you can keep honestly winning in this game.

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New Norge might be requesting some aid. We got ourselves into a little war, and have basically been trading casualities for little gain if none at all. Just slugging it out back and fourth keeping our nations in anarchy. If Nation Name:Ernor, Ruler: Khamero does not accept my peace offer I told him that I would request aid and finish the job. This nation does not belong to any allainces, publically that is.

Any help would be great.

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Sent 300 troops, I may be able to deploy my tanks to fight for you but I have never tried something like that so it would be an experiment, if you need it let me know.

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I can wipe the floor with him if you can't do it. Got a lot of tanks, 71 to be exact. Probably also have higher tech.... if he doesn't accept the peace treaty, tell me, and I'll make sure he'll never bother anyone in our alliance ever again.

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They have made peace

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They must have read this forum

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Aw man. I wanted to piledrive his nation into the ground.

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The Legion is about to fall. I am discussing terms with FAN about standing down. YOU ALL WERE RIGHT.

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Just a quick status update on everyone. Hows it going? No major wars or anything? The Protectorate seems to have avoided all of the problems going on with almost every other alliance in the game.

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I'm doing alright. Approaching 1600 strength. I finally got a harbor, but I'm having trouble getting a trade agreement with the nations that have the missing resources I need to maximize my gain.

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I'm in the exact same position as Guy of Doom

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Going along well.

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I'm doing fairly well. Only hiccup was after I did a bunch of tech raids... they all went smoothly except for one, where the guy got pissed because he only had the bare-minimum 20% troops, and in the course of my raiding he went into anarchy. He then promptly joined an alliance, and he and one of the larger members demanded I cough up $250,000 in damages.

So, I dumped 50 tech on the Wombat so they couldn't easily steal it back, and traded blows with the guy for a few days. Finally I reached a compromise with him... basically "Sorry I put you in anarchy, here's 50k... you probably will want to buy more troops with that".

I'll probably push up infrastructure until I can get a fifth improvement, then go on a few tech raids again... it's just too profitable to pass up.

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Ya this alliance save me crap after the fact is getting on a lot of players nerves. I was ORDERED to pay restitution to a nation I attacked during the war. However I was attacked first and NEVER counter attacked. His losses were my gains and I wasn't going to give them back. FAN supported me even though I was a member of the Legion then. (The Legion is filled with a lot of knowledgeable guys, whom all of which won't lift a finger to help you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif )

I have noticed though that many of the trade deals between WC members are not optimized and many of you are loosing out on bonuses and better economies because of it. You all might benefit very much from organizing your trade agreements into a trade guild for your alliance.

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Right now I'm really waiting for some iron and coal, since obtaining iron and coal would mean I'd get 4 or so bonus resources. Right now I'll just have to stick with beer.

Tech raids are indeed fun, but... I can never seem to get any technology out of it. How much does the difference need to be?

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I was hitting people with tech in the hundreds... grabbed 5 tech in each attack.

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Nice.... but how'd you prevent their advanced tech from obliterating you?

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That's what I'd like to know. Honestly I think I'm doing well for not having made any donations although two of my friends that joined about the same time are doing better than me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

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$20 donations work wonders. But if they are attacked that investment is greatly depleted. After the GWIII was over and the donation system came back on line, over a 1,000 players forked out $20.00 donations. Do the math, 30,000 plus players with only about 1% or so buying advancements through donations. Now imagine if about 1.5 to 3.0% buy a donation, because that actually what your doing, each and every month. 3000.00 x $20.00 = $60k a month. WOW. Hell at even 20k a month they are making serious scrub. Throw in a GWIII and the profit margin sky rockets for a while as players rebuild.

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Simple enough. I picked out the ones that were around 20% stronger than me, which meant they had low troop levels. Go DEFCON 1, get soldiers up to 80% population, max out tanks, and attack with about half to two thirds my forces (which still leaves soldiers equal to about 33-40% population at home). Once attacks are done, replace lost soldiers with new ones at home to reduce risk from counter-attack.

As a nice bonus, if your opponents counter-attack themselves, they either will lose horribly or attack with so much that they are left completely vulnerable at home for more attacks by you... which means more tech to grab. That's how I got 35 tech in a matter of 12 hours (and then proceeded to give it away).

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Hmmm... mind giving some tech aid to the Dragon Republic?

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Ok it's been a long time since I posted.

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Well then you should really be posting in the HifH thread. My fragile ego needs all the help it can get!

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Hah...I followed your advice Will on tech raids, and it worked out beautifully. I attacked someone with roughly 2x my strength, but only had about 20 infrastructure and a few hundred troops. To make up for it, they had something like 120 tech! My tech was only 20ish, so I built up a ton of troops and tanks, and attacked. First attack failed (due to his massive tech advantage). Second succeeded and I captured 5 tech and some cash. Today I attacked twice more and wiped the floor with him both times, stealing an additional 10 tech. This is definitely the cheapest way to acquire tech at this level, as troops and tanks can be replaced a lot more easily than tech can be bought. It also seems like the dude I attacked is inactive, since he hasn't messaged me or built up more troops, etc. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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Appearantly I've attacked someone who's on vacation and thus ticked off an alliance. They expect me to pay for damages when it's clear the guy was picked over well before I got there.

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What alliance is it? I'll help out if it breaks into war.

Of course, then that would probably mean we would have alliance vs. alliance war. Eh, it'll be fun anyway.

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I had all my steam taking out when I started putting in some serious play time. The UI is so rough.

GuyofDoom: You didn't just attack an alliance you attacked the Legion, my alliance. I'm trying to settle this peacefully. We just fought GWIII and he went on vacation so no, he hasn't had the chance to rebuild. I thought We had been through not attacking major alliances in this very thread already?

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No it wouldn't be funny. That is why I pulled rank and said I would take care of it. Now GuyofDoom doesn't want to work with me.

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PE, he's not only attacking your guy, but someone from ONOS too. If they find out, they'll probably fill his war slots. Maybe the whole alliance since there's no clear path for diplomacy to determine if this is an alliance supported attack or not.

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I search rankings and I pick targets. I'm not going to bother checking 5000 different little squables because so and so is fighting so and so.

I picked a target, it happened to be a bad one appearantly. Just attack me or whatever it is you have planned. You're catching me on a bad day so I really don't care.

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Ah great. I have a friend in the ONOS who I can talk to. You guys need to get GuyofDoom under control or officially eject him. I'm only a Lieutenant and I can only stall this for so long before my superiors step in. I need to run but let me know what to do.

CW: I PM'ed you twice now and both times you ignored me? What gives?

Edit: Just read your post below mine. I'm going to take an hour or so and check back before I make a final call on this one. Your a self destructive fool if you think attacking major alliances is a good idea. Do the Wombat Protectorate a favor and leave them. I have friends there that I don't want to see smashed because you are having a "bad day".

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He probably used to be closer to 10x your strength. If he's got 20 infra, that means he took a massive pounding from someone... and probably quit. There are likely to be many of these lying around, since GWIII just ended. Just make sure they've either dropped their alliance or are in a piddly alliance, so we don't get targeted by the kinds of people currently pissed at GuyOfDoom.

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Most likely that's the situation, yep! Works great for me; and don't worry, I checked to be sure before attacking (always do) and he isn't in any alliance whatsoever.

By the way, what is GWIII? Great War Three? Don't follow their forums at all, so haven't heard the terminology before.

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Yes it stands for Great War 3. It only takes a second to check if your target is in an alliance. I'd watch even the piddly alliances, you don't know what ties they may have with larger alliances. Even if they don't have any ties, alliances such as FAN have been coming to the defense of alliances under attack by raiders. There is quite a backlash right now for those raiding against any nation in an alliance. I'd steer clear of any nations showing an alliance, it could stir up a lot of trouble.

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*sigh* If you never target anyone who's in an alliance you're going to run out of targets very quickly.

I'm more annoyed that they somehow feel I've commited a great injustice by attacking a perfectly legitimate target.

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Do as you wish, I'm just stating what the current climate is.

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The site isn't even setup to find out who's at war with who without making 500 clicks with 4 seperate webpages. How anyone keeps alliances straight in that game is quite frankly amazing.

This "GW3" is a mystery to me.

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GuyOfDoom you attacked the Legion! Oh man, thats bad mojo my friend. If I were you I would make peace offering and make it soon. Additionally, be advised that YOU SHOULD NEVER attack anyone who belongs to an ALLIANCE with more than 50 members in it.

GWIII was a major war fought for 30 days which ended only about a week ago. Many alliances fought in this war including FAN, the Legion, TOP, and a few dozen more. The Legion and her allies took massive looses, including yours truly, but still remain very strong.

Also Wombat Protectorate members, YOU GUYS really need to step back for a few and re-organize your trade agreements. You guys are loosing out on considerable bonuses with your current disorganized trade system.

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Virtually all the major alliances were involved in a war. One side was The Initiative (the winners) and the other was known as the Aegis(the losers)(though that was not an official name, it was a loose collection of alliances tied together by MDPs and MADPs). At its height, over 69 different alliances were involved with around 10,000+ nations. It's why for a period of two weeks, if you tried to log on the hour before and hour after update, the site lagged terribly if you could even get on. It's why registrations were taken offline as was donations. It was largest war the game has ever seen and one of the longest (as far as Great Wars go, at three weeks). At its height there were over 15,000 wars going on. There are still some minor skirmishes going on even now.

It rather immaterial whether a nation you want to target is at war or whether his alliance is at war with any other alliance. You keep mentioning the number of clicks to find this out, when what is relevant is whether the target is in an alliance or not and that is on the nation display screen you have to pull up to declare war on him. Alliances protect their members, it's their primary purpose for being, and they do not take kindly to attacks on those members, whether they are a hour from being deleted for inactivity or not. What you see as a valid target in attacking a member of an alliance is actually much like walking through a minefield. You seem to understand there may be repercussions to your actions and weight the risk and go ahead feeling the rewards outwiegh that risk. But alliances see nations making these types of attacks as rogues. The normal reaction is to fill his war slots and either get reparations for the attack, or ZI the nation in question. If you're in an alliance and the alliance doesn't kick you out for making such an attack, the alliance itself could be considered rogue and subject to attack. That's why PE is so concerned, your actions have consequences for not only you, but the other members of your alliance. Many nations that like to raid in your fashion, remove their aa before declaring, so their alliance isn't listed in the DoW. Your alliance isn't set up to handle any diplomacy or interaction with another alliance beyond someone sending an in game message. That in of itself can create problems. The alliance I'm in has had nations declare on nations in alliances with the result being they were dogpiled (all war slots filled), it didn't spread to the rest of the alliance because we have a forum and a diplomatic means of at least talking with the affected alliances. I don't see that here and it could mean trouble down the line. I mean PE is talking for the Legion, but if he weren't here doing that, would anyone know how to get in contact with them? And if you were attacked, other members not really knowing what was going on but seeing you attacked would support you and that could doom the entire alliance. The Legion suffered badly in the war, but they are still one of the largest alliances in the game and have a collective NS over 3 million (you guys are what, just over 40,000). They're probably even touchier over this sort of attack since the war since so many of their nations are weak from the fighting. Not only that, but as terms of the surrender, FAN/TOP are charged with protecting the Legion and they could just as easily jump into this at anytime. FAN doesn't ask questions, they would just ZI everyone and settle it after. I can think of at least two alliance being pounded right now over the actions of one or two of their members. You say staying away from alliance targets limits your opportunites, then you better learn the lay of the land as regards alliances then otherwise you're playing in waters you know nothing about. I believe one of the few rules CW had was not to attack nations in alliances, it was for a good reason.

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Looks like someone takes the G-A-M-E a bit too seriously.

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Its all a game until your nations and your alliance are laid waste. For some folks this is their hobby and they do take it very seriously. As in any game the objective is to win. The advice you are receiving is good and you should be thankful that there are skilled players willing to share it for your benefit. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif It will make the G-A-M-E that much more fun for all.

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Yep I agree that you guys and the many people like you take this game way way to seriously, its a crappy little browser game that you log in for 30 seconds each day to play. Also if the objective of this is to win than creating a massive world war where everyone gets completely [censored] up isn't a very good way to do it.

Now with that said though I did make the rules about WP quite simple and clear and you broke them GuyOfDoom. So I need you to please remove yourself from the WP until this blows over to keep anything from spilling over into the rest of the members. Once it dies down you are welcome to come back but I won't have other peoples nations suffering because of your attack.

PES: Sorry I didn't respond to your PM's because the site never said I had gotten any so I never checked my box.

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I can do that.

Edit: I don't seem to recall the "rules" of the alliance per say, but if people are childish enough to strike at the Wombat Protectorate because their silly e-nation was damaged the least I can do is minimize the potential.

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GuyofDoom I'm not even going to bother with you anymore. I'm here for the WP and it's true members. you're nothing but a rogue who is using them for a shield.

It may seem like some of us, such as Beck and myself take this game to seriously. I respect that, now I ask that you respect us for wanting to play the game this way and the fact is the game is setup to be played this way. The only reason you spend 30 seconds is because you are still standing on the tip of the ice burg. This game is massive; point-blank! This is the link to GWIII and as Beck has already done an excellent job explaining everyone is still touchy as we rebuild. Also as he pointed out a few alliances like FAN and \m/ will ZI every nation in your alliance then ask why you attacked them and if you would like to pay or get pounded into deletion. Alliances such as the Legion aren't going to do that. I came here trying to pull this matter down into a small reps payment and let GuyofDoom go free. Now I don't care what happens to him.

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LOL http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

It has been a while since someone has left me speechless, but G.O.D. you just did.

(Oh btw, love the whole GuyOfDoom = GOD bit. Clever. :|)

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There was a war? Must have missed that memo.

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/sarcasm What you didn't get that impression from the wonderful format of the site? Shame on you, it should have been OBVIOUS. /end sarcasm