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Ironhawk May 10th, 2009 06:00 PM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
Darloth - say hello to the Tet Offensive!!

Well, helheims version of it, anyway. I look forward to testing your mettle on the battlefield!

llamabeast May 10th, 2009 06:03 PM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
Re Fomoria's staling, this game does have a master password so you can just use that in place of whatever password Fomoria set.

There is not much of a risk in a PBEM game in telling people the master password - they can't do anything with it unless they get hold of someone else's turns after all.

Septimius Severus May 10th, 2009 10:08 PM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by llamabeast (Post 690213)
Re Fomoria's staling, this game does have a master password so you can just use that in place of whatever password Fomoria set.

There is not much of a risk in a PBEM game in telling people the master password - they can't do anything with it unless they get hold of someone else's turns after all.

Thanks Llama, yes we have worked it out.

darloth May 11th, 2009 05:28 PM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
I look forward to it with a sense of lambent dread.

However, it may irk you further to learn that this is my first time playing C'Tis (in any age) and, except for a bit of prodding at LA Ermor, my first time on a death-heavy nation.

Sadly, this upstart temerity doesn't stop the turn from falling -just- over my working hours - I can't finish it tonight (I should probably be in bed right now :( ) and I'll have barely an hour tomorrow.

Can I have a 6 hour delay please? I'll play it when I get home, so hopefully I won't use all of that.

Ironhawk May 11th, 2009 05:41 PM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by darloth (Post 690353)
I look forward to it with a sense of lambent dread.

However, it may irk you further to learn that this is my first time playing C'Tis (in any age) and, except for a bit of prodding at LA Ermor, my first time on a death-heavy nation.

I insist on you having more dread!! Heheh

Nah it doesnt irk me. We just had some trouble managing your shades at first and had to cook up an alternative plan. Took a long time to bring it to bear but now you see it. Really I think you played CTis pretty well overall. There are a couple of things ling and I want to point out to you, but we cant do it while the game is running.

Septimius Severus May 11th, 2009 11:35 PM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
Game delayed 6 hours on darloth's request.

TheDemon May 12th, 2009 12:55 AM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
I'm really enjoying the back and forth in this game.

Lingchih May 12th, 2009 12:58 AM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
Yes, it has turned out to be a very good game. A bit unexpected... since I thought that the vengeful Vets would quickly dominate the game.

rdonj May 12th, 2009 02:20 AM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
Well, you are pretty well dominating it thus far. One noob at death's door, another on very shaky legs. No news from abysia of late, but they seem to be on the verge of collapse as well. Caelum did get hit pretty hard last turn... perhaps enough that some ground can be made up. We'll see :).

Lavaere May 12th, 2009 02:59 AM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
haha, amazed that I lasted as long as I did. considering bad research and a really slow start

quantum_mechani May 12th, 2009 03:15 AM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rdonj (Post 690434)
No news from abysia of late,

I believe they are down for the count, capital was taken some time ago.

darloth May 12th, 2009 04:14 PM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
eurgh. That turn was -horrible-. Meanies.

Septimius Severus May 13th, 2009 03:19 AM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
I see Helheim is denuding my Retiarius.

Septimius Severus May 13th, 2009 05:21 AM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
Either that or trying to prempt an attack/move.

Ironhawk May 13th, 2009 12:54 PM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Septimius Severus (Post 690646)
I see Helheim is denuding my Retiarius.

Yep. You should never ever put gladiators in the field where your enemy can see them. EVER. There's really only like 1 or 2 niche situations where gladiators can be effectively deployed in dominions.

Septimius Severus May 14th, 2009 01:48 AM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ironhawk (Post 690713)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Septimius Severus (Post 690646)
I see Helheim is denuding my Retiarius.

Yep. You should never ever put gladiators in the field where your enemy can see them. EVER. There's really only like 1 or 2 niche situations where gladiators can be effectively deployed in dominions.

And unfortunately you seem to have hard to detect stealthy units almost everywhere right now.

LumenPlacidum May 14th, 2009 02:02 AM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
I've submitted turn 27, but would like to either delay turn 28 until Monday or get one of the alternates in to play my Agartha turns for a while due to my needing to go to a funeral. Hopefully whatever needs to be done can be done without my intervention, since I leave early in the morning.

Cheers.

Septimius Severus May 14th, 2009 02:31 AM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LumenPlacidum (Post 690847)
I've submitted turn 27, but would like to either delay turn 28 until Monday or get one of the alternates in to play my Agartha turns for a while due to my needing to go to a funeral. Hopefully whatever needs to be done can be done without my intervention, since I leave early in the morning.

Cheers.

I'll see if I can contact one of the other alternates (Grudge is already in for Fomoria), if not perhaps rdonj or someone else will handle it. If you have specific plans, be sure to post them on the noob forum before you go. We will try to avoid a delay and/or stale if possible.

Ironhawk May 14th, 2009 12:38 PM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
Actually Im in the same position as Lumen. Sorry I didnt mention it earlier but I will be away w/o computer access starting tomorrow. Unsure how it could of skipped my mind that I would be unable to turn. I *might* be able to squeeze in turn 28 before I go but no promises. Regardless I wont be back until Monday.

GrudgeBringer May 14th, 2009 11:14 PM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
I also will be gone Playing Rugby in Tulsa this weekend, leaving at 1 PM CST tomorrow and returning Sunday evening.

I am subbing for the Noobs and If I get a turn before Noon tomorrow I will get it in but that will be the last one I can do until Sunday evening.

Septimius Severus May 15th, 2009 01:38 AM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
That's odd. All turns are in but the game's not hosting. Well lets force host and see what happens.

Ironhawk, Grudge, Lumen, try to get your turns in before you go if you can.

Edit: Seems every game's got the same problem right now.

Ironhawk May 15th, 2009 01:43 AM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
I would if I had a turn. Going to sleep soon tho so the window of opportunity is closing...

Stretch May 15th, 2009 01:49 AM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
Not playing until Monday is good for me too... it's going to be a very busy weekend. I can probably scrape a turn together but not turning until monday night/tuesday morning for turn 28 would be fine by me. It seems like llamaserver is broken for the moment anyway so we won't lose all that much time anyway.

Septimius Severus May 15th, 2009 01:52 AM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
Oh well, with 3 people out till Monday and unless the problem with Llamaserver is fixed very soon, looks like it'll be Monday at the earliest before we can get to turn 29.

GrudgeBringer May 15th, 2009 06:44 AM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
Just got the turn and will get it in before I leave (This Turn) but will not be able to do the next one until Monday.

Septimius Severus May 16th, 2009 02:46 AM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
As we've a few players out for the weekend, hosting will be delayed for 48 hrs.

Septimius Severus May 16th, 2009 03:10 AM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
Vets, any suggestions on nation mods for MA that are nice, balanced and/or compatible with CBM? I like Nehekhara and perhaps Arga Dis. Though I don't know if they are CBM compatible (QM?). Perhaps we will go vanilla.

quantum_mechani May 16th, 2009 04:24 AM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
Sombre made quite a few mods CB compatible, though I don't know offhand which ones. Is this for the next newbs vs vets? Because personally I'd kind of like to keep it to regular nations.

darloth May 16th, 2009 11:37 AM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
If you want extra flavour, throw on holy war and maybe CPCS instead? A couple of endgame summons (I have a tweaked one), especially if Llamabeast finishes his early?

Stretch May 16th, 2009 01:32 PM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
I wouldn't mind a mod that gives archers eagle-king seeking rocket launchers that work during storms. PS: Damn youuuuuuuuuuuuu Caelum! *shakes fist*

Lavaere May 16th, 2009 09:57 PM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
well for next game I was hoping to be skaven.
actually with my solo games in MA I normally add Skaven, Nehekhara, Lizardmen, Arga Dis. along with CBM and Standards. with no overlaps that I've seen so far

Lingchih May 16th, 2009 11:57 PM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
I agree with QM, and think these type of games should be vanilla nations, but with the CBM mod.

Septimius Severus May 17th, 2009 12:54 AM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by quantum_mechani (Post 691221)
Sombre made quite a few mods CB compatible, though I don't know offhand which ones. Is this for the next newbs vs vets? Because personally I'd kind of like to keep it to regular nations.

Yes, I am considering a few carefully selected and well crafted MA nation mods due the number of proposed players in NvV III.

Septimius Severus May 17th, 2009 01:03 AM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lavaere (Post 691326)
well for next game I was hoping to be skaven.
actually with my solo games in MA I normally add Skaven, Nehekhara, Lizardmen, Arga Dis. along with CBM and Standards. with no overlaps that I've seen so far

Well that's good, apparently they all mesh well, you can't tell by looking at the descriptions on the Llamaserver MA nation mod section though.

Lingchih May 17th, 2009 01:52 AM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
Is it really a Noobs game, if the Noobs are playing mod nations? I don't think so.

There are plenty of other games out there to play the mod nations.

TheDemon May 17th, 2009 04:15 PM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
I think the purpose of this game is to teach noobs what to expect in a normal game so they can be competitive.

For example, CBM is in the majority of games, so it makes sense. I'm not sure some of the extra spells mods or the mod nations make sense for the purpose of this game until you would come to expect them in a regular game. Sure, it would be a great team game, but it wouldn't hold true to the purpose of noobs vs vets anymore.


And on the subject of EK-seeking rocket launchers that work in storms, that's pretty much what EKs are for everything else :D

Septimius Severus May 17th, 2009 10:34 PM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
Quite true vets, yes I generally agree. I wanted to keep it to regular nations and maps that are included with the distro. I would point out though that some of the better mod nations are often used in "normal" games and are no more difficult to play than the vanilla ones. Again, I am considering it due to the number of players to allow more choices, most likely they'll be snapped up by the vets who'll again have the optional first choice. My question though is what are the best MA CBM compatible mod nations? In terms of balance, completeness, design, etc. I noticed for instance that some of the Nehekaran commanders had a base movement of 4. Some say there are some that are overpowered?

TheDemon May 17th, 2009 10:44 PM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
I think the best way to balance nation selection: each team sends an ordered list of all the nations. Vets gets their top choice, then noobs get their top remaining choice, then vets get their top remaining choice, etc until each team is full. This way the "power" nations get distributed between the teams. After all the nations are distributed this way, players on either team can swap for any non-picked nation, first come first served.

As far as mod nations go, I haven't looked at, played with or against any. Not sure what's balanced or compatible.

Stretch May 17th, 2009 10:56 PM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
I know we're looking for pretty noobish noobs here, but it'd be nice to get people who are actually going to participate in our forum discussions and planning. Perhaps we could emphasize that in the signups for the next game? My first 3 battles were vs. a member of my own team who refused to look at the forum to see what indies I was taking, or respond to ingame messages.

I think 7 or 8 people were using the forum, but we had at least 2 that I'm not sure checked it once. The 7 or 8 people who checked were far more effective than the 2-3 that didn't check.

Septimius Severus May 17th, 2009 11:05 PM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stretch (Post 691527)
I know we're looking for pretty noobish noobs here, but it'd be nice to get people who are actually going to participate in our forum discussions and planning. Perhaps we could emphasize that in the signups for the next game? My first 3 battles were vs. a member of my own team who refused to look at the forum to see what indies I was taking, or respond to ingame messages.

I think 7 or 8 people were using the forum, but we had at least 2 that I'm not sure checked it once. The 7 or 8 people who checked were far more effective than the 2-3 that didn't check.

Yes we are looking for real fresh noobs, some of them may not have even read the basic info about not password protecting your pretender. Formoria did not participate and it cost them. Rest assured I will be much more strict on communication and coordination next time. This will be posted. Also alternates will need to provide an e-mail upfront. You'll find all of this when I put up my proposed settings.

Septimius Severus May 17th, 2009 11:10 PM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDemon (Post 691526)
I think the best way to balance nation selection: each team sends an ordered list of all the nations. Vets gets their top choice, then noobs get their top remaining choice, then vets get their top remaining choice, etc until each team is full. This way the "power" nations get distributed between the teams. After all the nations are distributed this way, players on either team can swap for any non-picked nation, first come first served.

As far as mod nations go, I haven't looked at, played with or against any. Not sure what's balanced or compatible.

Nice idea, though I still think you guys might want to keep first choice, especially given the number of noobs I intend to throw at you. :D Yes, we shall have fun indeed! I'm working on the backstory now. All of my proposed settings will be listed.

Lingchih May 18th, 2009 12:06 AM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
Get ready Ermor. The Nief Jarls are newly energized and looking for another fight. Let's just say, they have a secret weapon now.

Lavaere May 18th, 2009 12:36 AM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
Does anyone know where my monkeys ran off to. They seem to have vanished on me

Lingchih May 18th, 2009 02:11 AM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lavaere (Post 691535)
Does anyone know where my monkeys ran off to. They seem to have vanished on me

Probably the swine flu. It killed them all.

Lingchih May 19th, 2009 01:04 AM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
Lanka is now ruled by the prophet of Mysterio. What other nations shall soon follow?

Lavaere May 19th, 2009 02:58 AM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
now is the downfall of Homo Hibilis, evil, evil, vets

atul May 19th, 2009 04:44 AM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
Agartha might have won a battle this turn, but considering its pyrrhic nature and the fact that both his castles are now under siege I'd dare to suggest he's losing the war.

Illuminated One May 19th, 2009 09:40 AM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
I should stop those kamikaze attacks...

Ironhawk May 19th, 2009 12:27 PM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
Well well, whats this?! CTis getting bullish again?? Methinks you need another lesson, Darloth!

Oh and thanks for all the equip ;)

Septimius Severus May 20th, 2009 01:03 AM

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 
Perhaps the other vets should take a lesson from Caelum and shed some provinces. Much less micromangement that way.


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