Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

Well, what I had in mind was something a lot more simple then any kind of point calculation. The ladder in it's simplest form is as I stated below: you move up the ladder by beating people above you on the ladder. Losing to someone below you on the ladder does not affect your ranking, unless you lose to the person immedietly below you on the ladder. In that case you swap places so you only move down one spot.

How you move down that ladder is by being displaced by people beating others above you in the ranking and "leap frogging" over you. Or by being idle. Players that are idle for extended periods (No reports of winss or losses) get bumped down for inactivity. In most ladders that is within a few days. For an SEIV ladder that would need to be longer obviously.

I was not thinking of getting rid of two man games. What I was trying to come up with is a league that would permit 2 player or larger games, and allow for one ranking. This way everybody should be happy.

Those that play more would be more active on the ladder and might be higher on the ladder if they win, but I don't see that as a problem. And you can't move up unless you win anyway.

Most ladders are for 2 player games, but this could work for multiple player games by a couple modifications. These ideas were used in a Civ2 ladder and they seem to work well. In a game with more than two players, as a person is knocked out of the game they would report a loss to each player still alive in the game. So for a twenty player game if you ended up being in the middle of the pack you'd have something like ten wins and ten losses. Your eventual place in the ladder would depend on your ranking and the ranking of the other players involved at he time each loss is reported. This would occur each time someone left the game. So actually a player in a big game wouldn't neccesarily be any less active then those playing 2 man games, since people would be getting knocked out all during the game. You don't wait till the end to report losses, they get done right away.

You could have team games. In a team game each member of each team would report a loss to each member of the other teams.

Also you might think since you can't move up by beating players below you there is no incentive to play them. But this isn't correct. Keep in mind you don't report till the end, and the other person could be ahead of you by the time the game ends. Also you have to be active to keep your ranking. You have to play someone.

Getting someone else to help with the league does not fix the problem of being tedious. It just means someone else has to deal with it. It's not a long term solution. Automating the league is a long term solution. Myleauge.com isn't the only way to automate it to be sure, but it's one way. THe main concern I could see is taht you have to register with their site and you might get some more spam. Does anyone think that would be a big enough problem that they would not want to be part of it?

Geoschmo

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually, I was thinking more of a "Afflict the population with massive tooth decay" Intel Project. That should not only reduce their fighting abilities, but also drive them straight into Unhappiness and Anger...along with outright Melancholy. They might even become Lugubrious.

How about King Haku? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I like also much those statistics, too bad they need so much work. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't know what others think but at least I think exactly the way you guessed.

I think KOTH should be stay in two player games, this is the only place I have played two player games and I have liked them much. If someone doesn't like two player games he can participate other tournaments or games.

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First off, I agree with DavidG almost completely (I still love multiplayer games too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ).

Geo, I can see where this can be tedious for you since you have to set up the games (especially with jerks like me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif wanting special settings each time) and keep track of wins and losses. Would the new set-up allow players to create games for themselves and just register it as an official game? It seems to me that the more this can be automated the better because you already give so much of your time and effort to this community.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sir, you are obviously baiting me. Don't be so smug as to think I am not on to you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

Lugubrious, what my sista got to do wit dis? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

And no, King Haku will not be allowed either. Although getting +50 kamakaze (head butt) would not hurt.
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[ March 13, 2003, 11:11: Message edited by: Stone Mill ]

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Ok, here's what I am gonna do. KOTH is gonna stay KOTH. Although I want to try and get someone that can do me some programming. I have some ideas that I don't think will be too complicated, but what do I know. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif But I like the ladder idea enough that I am gonna set it up as well. We'll have two leagues. If you want you can be in both, and your KOTH games can even count as ladder games if both of you are in the ladder. The ladder will allow two player or more games.

The ladder will start in a week or so when I get some things finalized on it.

Geoschmo

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Another symptom of the PBW problems is it doesn't work right when I assign players. I need you to join the regular way. I have emailed several of you aboout your new games if your email on PBW is correct. If you didn't get an email but are expecting a new match soon, check the koth page and follow the link to your game from there.

Geoschmo

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Geo, you can move Zarix up a level and move me back to the bottom. He beat me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
Intel sucks! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif I failed to get intel facs researched for defense and Zarix beat me like that. I couldn't keep planets populated and thus I lost resources and he kept taking ships and damaging them and so forth. If it wasn't for this I clearly had the advantage in ship to ship battle. But ships don't do any good when you can move due to damage or can't afford to keep them active. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Good game Zarix!

Oh and get this. The turn I surrendered the rest of my empire one of my Last remaining planets rebelled and started their own little empire. And then next turn they offered me a treaty. How ironic is that?! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LOL...sorry. But that's just too funny. Sucks, though. Kinda like playing your first game and finding a frigate on your "doorstep" on the 4th turn. THAT sucks, too.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

cool koth is staying...

GEO If you need help setting up games... I can do that...

Then the victor can email David G with the results so they get added to the stats sheet...

And the Winner can also email you stating they have won.......

Hell you can even get some one else to keep the level sheet updated ...

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Let me say, my biggest concern is not the time it takes to manage KOTH. That's an issue, but it's not overwhelming or anything. The biggest thing is I would like the league to be bigger, and the only way I see that happening is to make it more flexible. Again I don't want to get rid of 2 player games. And if anybody wants to only play 2 player games they would be more than welcome to in a ladder format. But players could also play larger games if they wanted. It would be up to them.

No, I would not need to officiate the games. Players could simply state at the begining that it will be a ladder game. Technically I suppose you could even have a ladder game where not everybody in it is a ladder member. In that case you'd only report losses to ladder players. If you had a 20 player game and only ten were ladder player for example, if you were the first person knocked out you'd only report nine losses, to the other ladder members in the game. This would have to be codified, I am just suggesting it as a posibility.

Geoschmo

[ March 13, 2003, 13:15: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

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Ragnarok, I think you played pretty well. You just shouldn't use colony ships to transport population in border systems. When I stole one of them I got your colonizing tech. The planet rebelled because I was testing Puppet Political Parties.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It's great that KOTH is going to stay KOTH, especially because I have now the possibility to become to the King. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Though my game against Stone Mill hasn't started well, I have found only one medium and one small breathable planet.

I can do some programming if nobody else has offered. I can't do anything very complicated so if here is someone more experienced it would be nice.

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DavidG and I are talking about a program to automate the updating of the koth page. At some point down the road I'll probably also get back to where I just tell you who you are playing and you guys either get an owner or one of you does it and then you tell me who won. But for right now no changes.

Geoschmo

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah I know I shouldn't have. But I had those ships on their way to colonize some planets spread around and then you hit me with the food contamination. It hit a couple key planets that I needed population on in order to support my empire. I didn't have a transport ship up there so I would've had to build one, and then send it up. It would've taken at least 7 turns to do all that. Which I didn't have time for. So I was forced to use my colony ships to keep population on them. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif So if it wasn't for you and you're stupid intel I could've won. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif j/k

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I understand you being over-worked. (But I sure like the idea of not having to worry if my opponent knows the map or not)

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I understand you being over-worked. (But I sure like the idea of not having to worry if my opponent knows the map or not)</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's a valid concern.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I understand you being over-worked. (But I sure like the idea of not having to worry if my opponent knows the map or not)</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's a valid concern.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">To that end, we could have a nuetral party set up the game. I would be willing to act as a KOTH setup admin, but we would need more than one so I don't end up setting up my own games.

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I could also setup games for other people.

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I'm willing to host games as well.

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Well the game with Nodachi is moving along.

A large fleet of ships from the evil Nodachi Empire Forced its way past a small group of Thermolian customs frigates, and then after a brief pause, proceeded to attack a small planet populated by kind, good hearted Thermolians. The local population was forced to endure the attack in terror, possessing no offensive weapons of their own. Only the hard work of their unions kept the evil Nodachian’s at bay.

Now the small peaceful Thermolian Empire has managed to scrape together a few war ships and will try to turn back the next wave of the Nodachian hordes at the border. And while the evil Nodachian barbarians prepare for all out war, the peaceful Thermolians place their trust in a few good men, who hold the fate of the empire in their few small ships. Although hopelessly out gunned, the Thermolian fleet will try to deny the Nodachian’s any further incursions into the lands of the good peace loving Thermolians.

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Oooh, Thermo, I have read a lot of your epics in the looong KOTH thread. Nice to see reports of how things are going. Some color, as it were.

NOW, in my game (do I hear yawning?), my poor peacful farmers, who had just recently discoverd space travel, built a few colony ships to explore the nearby planets when, suddenly, warships from an unknown species warped into their home system. Knowing they had not mastered the ability to build thier own warships, they worked overtime (read: EB...LOL) to build defensive platforms to try to ward off the potential enemy. After a few months, preparations were made and ships launched and the evil aggressors departed their home system.

Years passed and minor skirmishes ensued as each race tried to eek out a colony in the same system. Mines exploding, baited traps, and surprised by a development called "fighters", our empire plodded forward.

Fronts were being established and research carried out at frenzied paces.

It has turned into an interesting game and a few turns I even found myself in 1st place (only God knows how).

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Refugees of the once proud Nindra Nation, driven almost to extinction by the forces of the "Evil Eye", had found a safe heaven in a new galaxy far far away. Or so they thought.

Their first ship, the unarmed scout escort "peace in our time", met with another race, the bloodthirsty Thritians only a couple of months (turn 4) after its completion. Seeing the Thritians already posessed superior shipbuilding technology (frigates), the valiant defenders of peace retreated to their home system.

Realising that the Thritians was a warlike race (20/20 berzerker), and unlikely to disarm themself, the "counil of peace" decided the only way the Nindra coud regain their innocence was by exterminating the bastards (That this also would make the Nindras penises feel much larger, was not part of the equation).

Resources was scarse, and research of new technology was prioritzed, so when the minions of evil popped into the Nindra homesystem, the only defences was a fleet of 15 mostly empty escortsize vessels (LOL http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ). 4 or 5 of the fiendish frigates would have blown this fleet to kingdom come, but the cowardly forces retreated without a fight.

Now the Nindras are widespread in the galaxy, their technology is great, and resources abundant. The time of retribution have finally come. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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The Thermolian Empire has at great expense and sacrifice, gathered together a small flotilla of ships and sent a peace expedition into Nodachian space. We are about to make a diplomatic port call and ask for permission to visit one of the Nodachian home worlds. We see no reason why we can not live in peace once the Nodachians have vacated Thermolian space. We see that the Nodachians have gathered a large Invasion fleet around this world, so we can only hope that they will be willing to parlay.

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(Big fight on the card for next turn. The underdog peaceful Thermolians against the technologically superior Evil Nodachians )

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I love reading the updates. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

In another quadrant, King Stone Mill of the Mercador empire has heard little from his 1st expeditionary force. A full year has passed and still no sign of Asmala's notorious Black Hole Riders.

The new colonies have been warned: the Riders will come one day with extreme predjudice.

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With a stalemate on the forward battlelines, the Trithian empire (such as it is) sought other systems and planets to expand to in the unknown universe...only to find the dreaded Nindra had been sucking up ALL the planets.

It has become obvious that the Nidra spread like a disease and need to be quarrantined.

A pathetic plea for help in this endeavor has gone unanswered. It appears we are alone in the universe. Perhaps treachery is the answer!

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, you can be sure of that, Stone. He's a scrappy kid with lots of moxi! I wish I was a fly on the "wall" of that game.

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Sadly, it is imperative that I report the demise of the Trithian empire. At turn 61, they have succombed to the Primitive rulership of the Nindra.

The Last living souls will be absorbed into the Nindra society. While the ability to live is appealing to them, they have yet to learn that their captors have bigger penises (see earlier post... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif )

Good game, Primitive! I learned some lessons and am going home with spank marks on my ***!

Cheers!

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The undead forces of the Thermolians have begun yet another incursion into Nodachian space. How can a creator who values all life allow such an abomination to exist?
This time the creatures from the netherworld have slaughtered a peaceful farming colony full of senior citizens and children. It seems that the evil overlord Thermodyne shall eat well tonight.
Through great tears of anguish the noble Nodachi awaits the next attack.

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The primitive one dances his victorydance. Dancelovers everywhere turn away in disgust, cause it's not a pretty sight to behold.

The slynky one had put up a good fight but to no awail. Mines and WPs did not stand a chance against brute force (outproduced him).

He raises his eyes to the top of the hill. There is a new (very bad) Elvis impersonator there now, but the crown is still the same. Still nice and shiny. Primitive wants that crown, he wants that crown real bad. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Slynky:
Thanx for a great game. 60 turns in 3 days http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Yeah, Primitive, I agree. No way Elvis should be wearing a crown... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

However, I still have my bets on "Calvin and Hobbs".

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The evil Nodachians have met the Thermolian peace ships with treachery and deceit. So we will now withdraw to our space and await the inevitable attack that is soon to come. We are far too small and weak to stand long against their might, but we will fight with honor. We fear them not, for we know that one day they will be Thermolian, they just aren’t quite ripe yet http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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This Nodachi/Thermodyne war is something. To hear them tell it the other guy is always the attacker and they've both lost all their battles. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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The patched-together merchant marine fleet entered the system too late. The foul Thermolians had already captured all of the Nodachian children and laid waste to the unarmed planet's peaceful farms and were heading back into the systems stolen from the Nodachians with their bounty.

How can the noble Nodachians stand against a foe that regards children as a food source?

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As the evil Nodachians were in the act of ambushing the Peace Flotilla, Thermodyne was convinced to return from retirement. As he saw the Nodachians chasing after the remains of the Peace ships, he planed a hasty defense. As the evil Nodachians entered the Thermolian frontier system, they were attacked with a fury born of desperation. The Nodachian fleet was forged from better technology, but the Thermolian crews held a much firmer resolve. In the end, the slaughter was total. Not a single Nodachian escaped, all are now Thermolian. Many speeches were made about the victory, but all carried the same theme, never again would the Thermolians allow the Nodachians to threaten Thermolian space, and the invaders would be forced to leave Thermolain claimed space. The Thermolians were a peaceful race of artisans these days, but they still knew how to use the boot!

That has to be the longest gambit I ever ran in an SE4 game. I thought Nod’s would never try to force that warp point where I had the ambush set.

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The brave merchant captains were determined to rescue the children stolen by the Hell-spawned Thermolians. Blinded by their cause they passed through the warp point and were promptly set upon by a great hoard of Thermolian ships. Outnumbered one-hundred to one they fought bravely but could not overcome the long odds.

With her merchant fleet gone how long can the Nodachian Empire hold out against this ravenous host?

Thermo, this has been an extremely fun game so far. I can't wait to see what happens next! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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As Thermodyne directed his tiny fleet back into disputed space, he wondered how the Nodachians would receive them this time. Across the Empire, slogans had started popping up, painted on barns and blank walls. “Give Them Liberty or Give Them Death” was the most popular one by far.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm finding that out... The Black Hole riders have pulled two surprises out early, technology-wise.

The colonists and transports in this game have turned out to be fightin' support units. So funny how our first waves of colonizers are bashing into each other... I can imagine the look on the passenger's faces! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Asmala's empire means the Mercator people harm for sure, he has torched two new deep space colonies, and we're trying to scrap together some defensive surprises of our own...

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, I've had suprises like that myself recently. Like Primitive's wild-eyed colony ship captains turning kamikazee when attacked by my frigates. It's quite a shock when your current top-of-the-line warship loses a battle to an unarmed vessel.

Kind of makes me wonder how different history would have been had the Captain of the Lusitania chosen to ram that U-Boat.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Geoschmo

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm sure you will express some nasty surprises.

I have noticed that the number of different planets vary much. In my previous game against Primitive I had in my home system plus in adjacent systems seven huge breathables! Too bad they were gas giants and I have rock colonization tech http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif And now in my game againt Stone Mill I have found very few and very small breathables. I hope Stone Mill hasn't found more breathables than me or else I would be in big problems http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Thanks to DavidG and his awesome programming skills I have a new application to streamline the administration of the Koth league and automatically generate the web page. Hopefully this means I will do a better job of keeping up with it in the future. Check out the web site now for the first update generated by it. You should notice, the W-L standings are back. WOO HOO! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Geoschmo

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WOW! That was fast!

Took me a moment to figure out the sort, but it's by wins. Definitely some frigid legumes there!

(now, perhaps I can get slated for another ***-whooping http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

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Sweetness! DavidG got that done fast. He is one hello of a programmer to get it done that soon. Well, in my book he is. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Great page.
Kudos to Geo and DavidG

So, in his quest to become King, Primitive must first face the one who calls himself EMPerror.
Hmm, Wonder if he has a crown as nice and shiny as the King's ? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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The Thermolian people were jubilant today! Two home worlds and billions of evil Nodachians had been liberated. No longer were they being forced to live the cruel evil lives of Nodachian culture. Now they were free! The terrible bonds had been thrust aside by the Thermolian liberation ships.

Two down, one to go http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Geo, there is an old game in the hill. The Quikngruvn vs Zarix game at the bottom of the hill has been finished a long time ago. The RexTorres vs Zarix game game at the top of the hill is correct.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">and secondly by least number of losses. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
thanks for the comments Rags and Primitive. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Cheeze:
To continue against an insurmountable foe such as you would be folly. We surrender to the United Floral Empire. Excellent game! Sorry to deny you your "Sherman's March" moment, but my position is unrecoverable at this point. I am surprised I Lasted as long as I did after some of the mistakes I made. I hope I at least gave you some tense moments, if nothing else. May your rise up the Hill be sure and swift, because if it is not I will be stalking you again here in the KOTH basement.

Any high points you would like to share with our fellow KOTH players?

Gecko

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DavidG, nice work! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Asmala is proving to be most annoying. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Of late, he is apparently trying to correct his lack of breathable worlds... by hijacking Mercator citizens (and just barely, too). He is certainly playing a game I did not expect, getting through my weak first line pretty well with annoyances right now.

Hmmm, methinks the King should not relax so much and pay more attention to detail...

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hijacking people... I haven't hijacked any of your people but I have liberated a few millions http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif At the moment they are celebrating they new liberty and freedom.

Now I can use oxygen planets as breathables and that will balance things. I have seen only two of your systems, but even in those systems you had more breathables that I have found in the my side of galaxy!

I haven't seen much of your ships, and now at the beginning of the every turn I look nervously at your systems if there are approaching a whole bunch of ships.