Re: Your military advisors know more than they let
 

aw, I think the Wiki server is down. Sad.

Re: Your military advisors know more than they let
 

oops nevermind
its back

Re: Your military advisors know more than they let
 

Working for me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

Re: Your military advisors know more than they let
 

Turn 25 has been sent out. Next deadline is Sunday (Christmas Day) at 8 PM MST.

Happy Holidays to all!!

Re: Your military advisors know more than they let
 

things are getting kind of weary at council, and bordewrs are beginning to butt up against eachother.

how long can peace last?

also ermor: why not just propose war and spice things up?

Re: Your military advisors know more than they let
 

Wait -- I take it back. This game is fun again.

Zook of the Zaptors

Re: Your military advisors know more than they let
 

heh. Good that you've returned from purgatory. You can weigh in on Sak's sillyness.

Vacation sub wanted
 

I am going to be entirely out of email contact from Dec 29 to Jan 9 for vacation related program activities. Anyone interested in babysitting my little empire for those few turns? I can leave some broad instructions, and anyhow Mictlan is not at a terribly difficult stage to play right now.

On a related note, in the unlikely event that something serious goes wrong with the wiki, I won't be around to fix it (and my emergency backup sysadmins will be on vacation with me). This is just a heads up, as I don't anticipate anything happening. On the software side, that is. The content side, ie, the council, seems to be heating up quite nicely http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Re: Vacation sub wanted
 

Turn 26 has been sent out. Next deadline is Tuesady at 8 PM MST.

Re: Vacation sub wanted
 

The Wyrm Suli-Krom sends this message to all Wyrms with ears between one and four. A certain dragon my be allowed in the discussion.

All should be aware of the proposition on the table to eliminate the peaceful nation of T'ien Ch'i. Visit the Wiki below to vote.

Re: The Council of Wyrms
 

Zona Nyl of Ermor has directly violated the newly amended rule 14 and attacked one of my esteemed safe territories. I tried to resolve this in peace, but his most recent proposition gives me no choice but to declare him and his minions a Rogue Nation.

Re: The Council of Wyrms
 

I ask for ... another 24 hours. The cavalry I just ate had been drinking, and I'm am confused and merry. Thus, I ask for a small postponement of all votes, whilst the fermented-goat filled lances have passed through my gullets.

Re: The Council of Wyrms
 

Here Here - - another 24 hours!

Re: The Council of Wyrms
 

I sent 11 of my 12 Harabs and 1 of my 2 Harab Seraphs to conquer an independent province. One of them was killed by crossbows in the first moment, and all fled and died in enemy territory.

I therefore humbly request that some noble Wyrms send me gold or gems or else post nice encouraging poems on the Proclamations page. Iambic pentameter, please.

Re: The Council of Wyrms
 

Note that I ask with regards to the votings. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: The Council of Wyrms
 

The Wyrm Suli-Krom speaks:

We believe Proposition 18 to be of importance enough to leave open until either more evidence is gathered or a larger amount of votes have been cast. We agree to wait at least until Turn 27 is sent to close discussion. It would be nice if there was a chairman to decide on appropriate timetables for propositions...

Proposition 19
 

Proposition 19 "The Agressiveness of Man" is now open for voting.

I am still missing turns for Atlantis, Ermor, and Vanheim.

Re: The Council of Wyrms
 

Please see the Proclamations page for your poem Sak. It's not strict iambic pentameter, but hopefully it'll cheer you up some.

Re: The Council of Wyrms
 

I thought I sent my turn. Well, I sent another one.

Turn 27
 

Turn 27 has been sent out. Atlantis has staled.

Next deadline is Thursday at 8 PM MST.

Re: Turn 27
 

Well, nobody wrote about subbing, but fortunately it seems like I will be able to get my turns in for the next week after all. I may still need a sub around Jan 5-10 though, and I should warn you diplomacy will be a little slow while Apep is sunning himself in warmer climes.

-puffyn

Re: Turn 27
 

things are getting interesting

Re: Turn 27
 

If things go as planned, I will be driving to my new home in Virginia from Jan 5-10 myself. I doubt I will be able to do much hosting during this time.

Unfortunately, though, with Washington beauracracy being the way it is, I am expecing a delay in these dates.

Re: Turn 27
 

The diatribe involving Proposition 19 is truly entertaining. Surprisingly (or maybe not so, considering how things are heating up), already more than half of voting Wyrms have had something to say.

Re: Turn 27
 

Oh the drama! This stuff is exactly why I signed up. FUN! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

P.S. Just want everyone to know that everything I write on the wiki will be in-character, as Grundle, so please don't take anything personally. It's just a game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

Re: Turn 27
 

The Wyrm Suli-Krom speaks:

Unfortunately Proposition 18, which allows the first War in Orania between Wyrms, has passed. Let the hostilities begin.

Re: Turn 27
 

Actually, it did not officially pass. Note that when the 48 hour time limit expired, there were only 6 votes recorded:

Yes:
Ermor
Jontunheim

No:
Vanheim
Pangaea
T'ien Ch'i
Mictlan

Thus, according to the rules, the proposition failed by a 4 to 2 vote.

HOWEVER, after a one day voting extension, it passed easily by a final tally of 8-3 in favor, indicating a generally positive opinion of the council.

This dilemma makes it clear that we need to update the voting rules by coming up with some kind of quorum rule needed as brought up by Suli-Krom in the pre-prosition discussion on the COW site.

In particular, by putting up a vote at 1 AM on Christmas morning, it did make it hard for busy (and drunk) wryms to read the proposal and vote with a clear head.

Re: Turn 27
 

Heh. Made it very difficult for some such wyrms to even understand the proposal, who did what to whom and who got eaten. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: Turn 27
 

Chief Advisor Morkilus speaks:

I may have been out of line delaring the proposition "passed", though I thought it was concensus that the voting period was extended. Do we need to bring the Chief Justice in on this?

The Wyrm Suli-Krom speaks:
We will soon bring the automatic quorum requirement bill to vote.

Re: Turn 27
 

Propositions 20 and 21 attempt to rectify the mess that Proposition 19 has become.

Re: Turn 27
 

Hehe, when you guys said this game was going to be "wordy", you really meant it! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

Re: Turn 27
 

B'hemet of Arcoscephale never promised gems to anyone as part of Prop 19. Is there another B'hemet running around, or is the requirement to pay in Prop 20 a punitive measure of some sort for voting yea on 19?

Re: Turn 27
 

I fixed it to what I'm sure it's supposed to be: Grundle and Ronan.

Sounds like a sitcom... or a political talk show.

Re: Turn 27
 

Whoops. I've been juggling so many different wyrms in my heads, I lost track of who was whom. Time for both heads to take a nap.
Cheers!

Re: Turn 27
 

Wow. I think I'm glad I have houseguests and only a couple of minutes a day to spare for dom2 activities. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Proposition 19
 

Proposition 19 has passed by an 8-3 vote. Now all that has to be done is sort out Propositions 20 and 21.

As long as Proposition 19 is not rescinded by Proposition 21, then Ronan is honor-bound to give the following nations 2 gems each:
Abysia
Arco
Caelum
Jontunheim
Pythium
TC
Ulm

Please note that the agreement between Ronan and Grundle was for ONE gem each, but Ronan the wheeling-dealing wyrm inexplicitly modified it to 2 gems before posting the proposition. Ronan has been appropriately beaten over one of his heads by Grundle for this brain fart. Also, C'tis has since retracted his support for Proposition 19 and therefore owes 0, 1, or 2 gems to each of the above nations. That is his call, of course.

Now, on to Proposition 20. My two heads surely hurt from trying to figure out this proposition. I believe it has 3 salient points:
1. Assuming Exibothia is lost (VERY safe assumption), Man is allowed to try and contest (meaning retake) that land until the end of the five turn period.
2. C'tis will not attack Elidor in accordance with the recently passed Proposition 19 in exchange for the public burning of the foul temple present in said province.
3. Man will relinquish all prior claims to the Victory Point in Yellow Mountains. Obviously, there could be a future claim, though.

Note that there is another claim in Proposition 20 that says Pangaea and C'tis will pay 1 gem each to all wyrms voting yes. This has not been agreed to by either party, so vote at your own risk! I do not plan to pay anybody any gems over Proposition 20, for I am honor bound to already pay TWO gems to the above nations.

And if Proposition 20 passes, then there is a lot to sort out. Especially if Proposition 21 rescinds Proposition 19!!

HOWEVER, having said all that, I believe that the wyrm Ygorl is being very cordial and reasonable over this whole issue. In fact, I admire his restraint. Furthermore, I can easily see the truth of his claim that his army is out of position and he should be allowed to try and retake Exibothia on my side of the mountains. Furthermore, he has apparently resolved all his differences over both the temple in Elidor as well as the province of Yellow Mountains. Thus one of Ronan's heads is quite in favor of this compromise.

But the milk has been spilled. Proposition 19 HAS passed. It perhaps can be rescinded by Proposition 21, but it still has passed for now. At least if Proposition 21 passes, it does get me out of paying 14 gems to various nations!

I now have no clue what to do with my next turn...


At least I can say that I am greatly enjoying the word play, the Council, AND the game right now! It ain’t about winning or losing, that is for sure. It is all about the Council of Wyrms.

But I can also see how lawyers get rich simply by arguing over words!

Re: Proposition 19
 

just because it passed doesn't mean the nations in question need to act on it. you know, except for the promised gems, unless it is overturned by 21

Re: Proposition 19
 

Same boat here, is proposition 18 official or not?

Re: Proposition 19
 

I have recalled 20 and 21, since 19 has been declared passed and I'll be incommunicado for the next 24-48 hours. I'd hoped that discussion might be extended, in the same manner as with 18, but that seems not to be the case. So, Pangaea takes a province of mine, people who voted yes get two gems instead of the four they were promised, and it appears that Ronan owes Grundle two gems as well.
I will certainly be back with additional propositional goodness in the future.

QM, 18 is pretty solidly passed, I think.

Re: Proposition 19
 

We could send it to the Supreme Court, but I would have to say it has passed. I was merely poining out that the rules (written by yours truly) were not as clear as they ought to be. Hopefully this will be fixed in some kind of future admentment. It kind of reminds me of Bush winning by stealing Florida in the 2000 election in the USA. And no, I did not also write the rules for the Electoral College!

Since both you and TC voted for war, I would say you two ought to enjoy the fireworks. At least it will give you a nice incentive to stay in the game now instead of finding a sub. Unless you get utterly crushed, that is. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: Proposition 19
 

I am sorry to say that I wish to quit this game.
I don't find the diplomacy heavy game to my liking. Also I've found that I'm not really contributing much to the discussions and on going propositions.

I can continue playing until a sub is found. Or as an alternative turn my nation to AI. Alas, for my mistakes, R'lyeh is not doing so well...

Turn 27
 

I have not received turn files from the following nations:
Abysia
Atlantis
C'tis
Caelum
Ermor
Marignon
Vanheim

I will be hosting late this evening due to a poker game with friends. I expect it will be at least midnight MST tonight before the next turn hosts.

I am a bit concerned with Atlantis being AWOL. I have not heard from him since last week.

And I am sorry to see that izaqyos wants out. I have found this game pretty fun so far, perhpas even more that I had envisoned when I thought it up.

Re: Turn 27
 

I'm sorry to see a player want out too, but hopefully there are some wordy folks out there lurking this thread...? Perhaps some of those that did the Yarnspinners thing a while back...?

I definitely do not want AI nations at this point. Once OW I breaks out, perhaps it will not matter, but it seems things are more peaceful than I thought yesterday.

Re: Turn 27
 

Proposition 19 states that Grundle will pay 2 gems so that's what he shall do. It may take a few turns though... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Re: Turn 27
 

Perhaps Ronan will agree to pay another one in your stead...

Ah, the joy of new alliances.

I've placed a pre-proposition to update rules for propositions, allowing for amendments, extensions, and an optional quorum requirement (since Wyrms will be Wyrms). Please visit the Pre-Proposition Committee; I have not yet received any feedback on this. It should be at the bottom of the page. On the other head, we could just ban all extensions and amendments... if you want to change your proposition, retract it before it passes and post a new one.

Re: Turn 27
 

Actually, you do not have to do that since it is in the discussion section, not the actual Wyrm Law. Of course, you may want to be known as an honorable wyrm and decide to pay anyway. The two gem thing was the idea of my right head. The left head said no, we should stick with 1, but was overruled. Let me know if you want me to pay some or all of the gem difference if you feel strongly about this.

I already did send out the gems to all parties concerned in the current turn, but it is easy to modify the turn when one is the host!

Whollaborg / Atlantis
 

Hi Panther:

Whollaborg (Atlantis) happens to be playing in the RAND game, too, in which we are taking a break until the new year. Is is possible that he did not realize that this game was not on break, too?

I have never found him to miss turns in the RAND game, unless he was going out of town.

Pasha

Re: Whollaborg / Atlantis
 

Hmm..., he never said that to me. He did last weekend's turn but not this past one. At least his priests are working night and day Calling for their dead God, so all was not lost for him during the stale.

I think we should therefore skip tonights turn and delay hosting until the next turn is due on Sunday, January 1. I will send out an email to this effect. Thanks for the info, Pasha.

Oh, and by the way, I don't know if you are still reading the yarns on Yarnspinners 2, but my next installment will have a discussion about the reclusive Pasha Tzu. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: Whollaborg / Atlantis
 

Hi Panther:

I am only guessing about Whollaborg's absence. I don't recall him telling me either. I just figured that RAND is taking a break, and perhaps, Whollaborg assumed that COW was also taking a break. He seems to be a pretty attentive player.

I shall have to read about PashaTzu. Perhaps, I will get off my butt and write a yarn!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Re: Turn 27
 

Grundle is low on gems (and money, and troops, and research, and....) but he will pay everybody eventually. If you want to compensate Grundle somehow for the difference, that is up to your two fat heads! Perhaps a small trinket... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif