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server down?

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yep - I'm at work so I'm not sure why. Might be a few hours until I can restore it.

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They're given a death sign, as proved by my HoFfed god who's attacking again this turn. Never believe the disinformation campaign of the ignorant! MA Agartha is still alive and kicking! Our pretender has not met his final death on turn 2. I repeat: has NOT.

*krhm*

Continue, please.

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server's down for me too-current time here is 7:37 pm mountain standard.

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Every have one of those days?

Work was a 13 hour clusterf*** today with things going wrong left and right and now I come home to find my router down along with my backup system (obviously the house took a power hit). The server - running on a battery backup stayed up and hosted the turn - however some people obviously didn't have time to do thier turns...

So I'm going to have to REHOST the last turn, because the server only backs up the system before the hosting occurs, so that last backup was immediately before the last host. Which means everyone is going to have to redo thier turns (not too big a deal) but some people are going to get lucky and others unlucky because of the rehost.

I'm at my wits end tonight...

So to those that get hosed because of this, I'm sorry - but I'm not going to let people stale because the server was unavailable.

P.S. I'm backing up now before and after hosting - I'm also going to backup to the hosting system from now on and then copy it to another system.

*le sigh*

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P.P.S. I host a number of other games - and none of them have these sorts of problems and seem cursed like this one...

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don't sweat it mate. Its still early, we have plenty of time for some major clusters later http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Well, we never really saw the outcome. So we don't know if we got lucky or not. So it really doesn't matter. Straight up redo.

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All my commands were still there, I pretty much just had to hit end turn

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Indeed. I checked the battles and they were the same this time around, identical on both hosts...

...Um. Actually, the client never downloads the .trn file if there's a .trn file of the current turn in the game directory. So, should we delete the .trn file before connecting to the server? Is there a problem if we don't?

Edit: Everyone should delete the .trn file on their computer before connecting to the server, the new .trn file does NOT replace the old one automatically as their turn numbers are identical! The battle events were different when I did this. Also, the mercenaries have changed, no more archers to be bought.

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Really? We all need to delete the old .trn file?

I smell cluster.

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Yes, really.

I got a mage with top random paths 1st time, naff random picks the 2nd time... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Swings and roundabouts...fingers crossed we have some smooth sailing turns from now on!

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Yeah i lost more troops in my fight as well. Some people had good surprises tho, seems one of the dead gods were resurected. Hopefully this remove file problem will not cause more problem.

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I thought Velusion was talking about rehosting the 4th (accidental host) turn not the 3rd (current turn)? So I thought we just had to reupload our .2h files because the .trn files were the same.

However, it looks like the .trn files have changed so I guess we really have to redo our turns.

I guess some people might have thought the same as I and just uploaded their old .2h files. I wonder what happens when the .2h files are made on a different .trn file? Hopefully it should not matter.

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Velusion: Nation names on the status page no longer have EA,MA,LA prefixes - pretty sure they used to.

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I ran a small test with one nation, so the results might be different in this game, but:

Apparently, if the commanders are in same provinces in both .trn files, the orders are resolved just fine even if .2h comes from wrong .trn. Not sure what happens when commanders are in different provinces. Wouldn't count on that, but it _probably_ doesn't break anything too much, at least on global level.

Here's hoping for the best.

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One of my games we had a .trn and .2h file mismatch, and we got some fairly serious weirdness.

Frank got a indie leader with the magic skills of one of them sauromatian cross-dressers (forget the name,) and the cross-dresser he recruited had the magic skills of a circle master, IIRC. Also some movement orders were scrambled and some weren't.

Everything was fine on successive turns, though.

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So we can expect another turn of roulette ?

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This is correct. Another interesting issue, in a game plagued with issues.

Please do delete your .trn files!

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I'm adding a few more hours on to the clock in case people still want to do this.

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Don't worry people, the next 62 player megagame will be flawless. Thanks for Velusion's patience.

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Man, I just caught this. I just deleted my trn file and I'll redo my turn.

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Does it matter that I did my turn again before I deleted my .trn file? Last turn I had a hurricane hit my capitol and cause some unrest. After I deleted the .trn file and logged back in, there was no mention of the hurricane but the unrest was still there.
What should I do?

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If you delete both .trn and .2h files on your computer (back them up), and then connect to the server, does it work? Shouldn't it work ok that way?

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Oh hell yes. Thanks Atul. GOODBYE HURRICANE!

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The same thing happened to me, but with a hailstorm and some brigands. The solution that worked for BigDisAwesome worked for me, as well.

I had the brigands come first and set up in a ruin in my capitol and raise unrest to 33. Then from the new file I got hit with a hailstorm, but the unrest from the brigands was still there. I assumed I was just clusterfunked and there was no solution to being hit with the ill effects from these two random negative events in the same turn. But this solution worked and the unrest from the first random negative event is now gone.

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YES!

With the new file I got a national hero http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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Meanwhile, I got an evil omen in my capital on the regenned turn.

OTOH, I took fewer casualties in my first conquest, and my first archwitch has an extra random.

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I am glad I saw this. I now have -1 death in the battle and +1 badass Udum'ukinna.

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I think it is never too soon to start a global dispelling alliance, hmmm? Especially one specifically targeting Utterdark/BoT/etc...?

Nations which join and don't cast taboo spells, especially Utterdark, may compete for globals normally. Nations who haven't joined and cast a global or nations who cast a "bad" global will be targeted for collected dispellation (preferably by a high astral pretender/unit with 100+ gems from multiple players, to come as close to a guarantee as possible). Dues consist of:

A) Dispelling bad globals, or globals from nations outside the alliance.

B) Donating astral gems to a dispellation.

C) Attacking or casting damaging spells on banned nations (nations which cast bad globals).

D) Paying dues, preferably in gems or cash (as it can be transfered easiest), which will be split between the nations that dispell or attack. Dues are proportional to the number of enemy nations, and so will start at 0.

What exactly constitutes dues, and which spells will be categorized as bad are up for discussion.

Obviously, someone needs to regulate this alliance (I am willing to start, but I am new to this, so bear with me). A public place to keep records would also be good (so you aren't just trusting what the regulator says, and we aren't bloating this thread more than it already has been). Someone with site skills would be appreciated here (otherwise the group will just grow exponentially).

PM me if you want to join, or if you have ideas, or if you think you would be a good organizer/site maker... (please?)

I will try posting a list of members each turn, unless someone else steps up.

-Fate

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Just wanted to let everybody know that I'll be doing my turn in just a few minutes-I wanted and tried to do it yesterday, but the server was down, so today I had to wait until work was over, since my job requires me to be on the phone.

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make sure and delete your .trn file from your savedgame folder before you connect http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Because the game didn't' replace the trn files, expect a few funky things this turn. Also expect a few reports of possible "cheating"... and just ignore them.

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FYI: I had to delete both files from by savedgame folder. (On a Mac) When I tried just deleting the .trn file, my messages reflected the new hosting, but once I dismissed the messages the game screen reflected the earlier host. When I deleted both it went fine.

In the new host, I lost a sweet extra money random event (boo!), but found an item in the battle (yaay.).

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4 hours till next host!
most people didn't take their turns.

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Ok done

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Velusion's Perpetuality page says 23 odd hours til next host though. I think I'll believe that one.

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I got 23 minutes, but it wouldn't allow me to take my turn, so I did it over, and it said 4 hours.

I'm liking how the game is going so far-even with all the problems, everyone still seems excited about it. I hope for the next mega-game, we can see the addition of a few mod nations, and an expansion of the map to 1500 provinces-I have a few very nice 1500 province maps, and I may post one soonish.

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It said 4 hours, then I did my turn, then it said 24 hours until next host.

I have gotten hit with ugly negative random events in my home province every turn so far.

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Vel -

Eventually (no hurry), could we work towards correcting the spelling of player names for the associated nations list? I know mine for LA TC has a few more letters and just tried to PM someone else with an incorrect name. Might make diplomacy easier in the future.

LA T'ien Chi - jutetrea

Thanks man, and loving it - wonky bits and all

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Oh man this is crazy!

Cthugul arrived last turn which would have been great if he hadn't turned into a non-leader this turn! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/redface.gif

I ended up using him as a normal, if special-looking, Illithid now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

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When someone has reached level 2 construction, he/she/it should contact me for some serious trading.
Thanks a lot, DreamSlayer

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Yeah, the first one who reaches con 2 and 4 could make a fortune selling stuff. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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I suggest a global alliance against the evil cheaters!

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<<quickly checking whether I'm on that infamous list...dumdedum...>> Agreed! Let's go get those evil cheaters! <<whew!>>

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I'm on the list, but wish to join this alliance.

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Hmm, I just noticed that province nr. 428 - that looks as if it was a sea province, has the 'border mountain' terrain type. Unless this is just a display bug or something, this effectively cuts of the eastern passage between the two big oceans.

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Ahhh... looks like something I missed! Doh!

I'll experiment with ways to fix that. For right now I wouldn't build any buildings on that area...

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Im pretty sure that doesnt fix. Its part of the fatherland file and our turn files now. If you do come up with anything that works then by all means let me know because I have a list of old dead ideas that involve modifying the map mid-game like you can a mod.

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Hey, as one of those "cheaters", I can tell you, I've seen no great boon in my income, despite what the console thinks. Indeed, at 200 tax rate, I'm pulling in a whopping, 300 gold? What the-!!

If I'm a cheater, I'm the worst ever. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif