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Concur-all.

Been playing Ukraine for a lot of years now since even before OPLOT-M submission but, nothing like a "hot war" to get people's attention.

MASTIFF PPV now there's a beast, also I like those BUSHMASTERs.

Regards,
Pat
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This confirms a "back room" discussion on which M113 the Ukraine is getting from the U.S.

Even though unlikely it was considered a possibility we could be sending them the M113A2.

The matter was looked into further and it became much clearer that it would be the M113A3. The ref now validates that choice.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...o_ukraine.html

Regards,
Pat
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I gave Ukraine M113A3 Slat ( US OOB 605 but with a new photo without the palm trees in the background)........ it probably is more likey its not going to have slat but Ukraine is already putting slat on some of it's BMP's and when dealing with sketchy incomplete info this is what happens. If it turns out not to have slat then those that feel that should be changed can learn to use MOBHack and sketchy incomplete info is why I gave them M198 155's

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I have not checked yet, but I watched a video where the Russian build BMD-4 (2015-2016) have a licensed French laser ranger finger and thermal imaging on them.

https://youtu.be/7FPgEIrMG7M

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Hey sketchy incomplete info is how the military rolls, by the time we get the full picture with all the details it's already out of date info. It's the nature of the game so to speak with military technology and who has what gaem.

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..and sketchy incomplete info right now is saying Canada is going to send M777...... which is not beyond the realm of possibilities with the chuckleheads we have running the show right now.

https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pm...d-of-sanctions

The "problem" is we only have about 30 :banghead:banghead:banghead

and

so much for "foresight".... just more "virtue signalling" from the clown prince.

EDIT

Either way for game purposes the m198 and the m777 are the same. In RL operationally they are different, the M777 is a more portable weapon but as OM arty in the game they are the same

The CBC is reporting four (4) are being sent which is I suppose 4 more than they had before and it's better than nothing but I don't think it's going to tip the balance

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Other question is how much of this advanced western technology was sold to Russia silently and what is an real level of RF and optoelectronics on Russian side thanks to corrupted Politicians and corporations. In that sad case come to my mind some citation from W.I. Lenin from 1917

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On the electronics side this is very respectfully "OLD NEWS", Russia has been using advanced FCS, Circuit Cards, Computer Chips etc. etc. from foreign defense contractors for a lot longer than most people suspect.

A major example of this is THALES the maker of the very well-respected CATHERINE FCS which is used on their more advanced T-72 (White Eagle)/T-90 just for Russia. You'll also see it on Pakistan's T-84 for example and others.

From my files when I submitted both the foreign and later Russian White Eagle and note the date of the Ref as Aug. 29, 2007.
https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com...0-tanks-03696/

This is already having serious consequences for Russia, both the EU and United States have made it illegal to sale new or existing advanced systems and spares to them due to the war.

You would be surprised how dependent the Russians are to this tech within the Russian Defense Complex. It is as noted above already doing so "on the ground" and it will only potentially get worse from here.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...chnology-70916

I am in no way saying Russia isn't capable of designing or building advanced military or other equipment. They can and have.

It's just their reliance on Western advanced components will carry a cost.

Regards,
Pat
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Now CONFIRMED as submitted and being sent from Ft. Stewart, Ga. about 1.5hrs up the road from me. I suspect they'll be shipped out of Blount Island by a "fast carrier" roll on/roll off. They'll be somewhere in Europe in a matter of days.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...o_ukraine.html

Someone might appreciate the confirmation.

Regards,
Pat
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Giuoyta9heQ

Retro is back...sorta

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I'll figure out how that can all mesh with the game restrictions.....eventually

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The 6 vehicle double-platoon really does not fit the 10 item formation formation.

It will likely best be done with a platoon of grunts and then a platoon of carriers, for the human player only. He will have to manually load up the platoon. Option A.

Option B would be to make a "part A" and a "part B" each as a platoon, one would be notionally controlled by the armoured force Lt, the second by the infantry leutenant. Option B has been used before for some complex platoons.

The (leg) platoon formation is supposed to use the traditional 9 man section size - but it will have to be spread out into 6 man teams to fit the Bradleys carry capacity in the game.

Its actually a sensible way to do mech inf, with the carriers in a separate formation rather than crewed by the dismount platoon, methinks. So once the grunts are debussed, the APCs can go off and do somehing different (ie like the Russian concept of the Bronigroup, where the "Zulu pigs" are concentrated to form a company-level fire support element).

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I was thinking more along the lines of adding a new "Mech Sec BFV-C" to 184 "Ind Mech Pl" ( also renationalized so it only shows up in the Pl) starting ?????? but this one would be all infantry with 2X 713 instead of 480+ ATGM team

What I don't know or missed at 3:47 am was how that changes the Co formation but I am sure someone will enlighten me.

That said the fact that Mech Inf Co is already maxed out makes this "interesting" ( Although..... I think I see a workaround )

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To say I'm "a little anal" about tracking weapons programs over decades in some cases, might be seen as an understatement to some out here.

But it's what I do to the best of my abilities, and this brings me now to the troubled AJAX/ARIES (ARIES is now as of last Summer being evaluated for the same issues to a somewhat lesser degree of severity.) Programs.

My first ref. was one of the last published before the end of the last year 2021. To fully understand what's going on with AJAX/ARIES and as it will turn out, a realistic look beyond Oct. 2021 when it was written. To compare AJAX to the NIMROD and other failed programs doesn't bode well for the future.

I further agree MOD made a serious error in dropping the WARRIOR CSP (In game as the WARRIOR "W"CSP UNIT 276.) upgrade program that would've made that platform viable until 2035 or 2040. It was cheaper, already started w/a couple of PROTOTYPES on a very reliable platform. That money invested went to waste with the rest I understand going to the AJAX/ARIES program and the additional funding not helping to resolve their issues.

Quotes:
" Press reports this morning suggesting that even though, due to safety concerns in relation to vibration and noise, Army testing of Ajax was halted a year ago, GD UK was still able to book a £75m profit on Ajax IFV last year which hardly helps. Neither does the knowledge that subsequently came to light of just how much of the capability is being built in Spain for onward assembly, complete with problems, into GD’s purpose-built plant in Wales."
https://battle-updates.com/ajax-infa...ce%20%28NAO%29.

The next is from March 2022 after the afore mentioned (Ref. 1) NOA released their report. As a "note" I quote from refs in the order they appear in the articles.

Quotes:

" The National Audit Office (NAO) warned there was a risk that troubles with the project "might prove insurmountable".

A Ministry of Defence (MoD) spokesperson said it would "not accept a vehicle that is not fit for purpose". "

" As of December 2021, more than 300 personnel may have been harmed by vibration and noise during testing, which has led to the significant delays. "

" Its report (Mine-NOA) found that the MoD itself has no confidence in its own target for Ajax to be fully operational by April 2025.

It also warned that it could take until the end of 2022 to find a solution, because the MoD and the manufacturer disagree on the safety of Ajax.

Meg Hillier, who chairs the House of Commons' Public Accounts Committee, said the NAO report "reads like a checklist for major project failure where almost everything that can go wrong, did go wrong".

The MP said: "Ajax has now joined the sorry pantheon of government projects which have gone off the tracks. "

"Ajax was supposed to be ready in 2017 but has already been pushed back twice. "

Labour's Merthyr Tydfil and Rhymney MP, Gerald Jones, said the NAO report "makes for very grim reading".

They would further state,
" This damning report shows that the Ministry of Defence has not just let down staff, but also our armed forces who are in great need of vital new armoured fighting vehicles. "
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-60693070
(Note additional links at bottom of the article.)

My final thoughts: Based on tracking this program for at least ten years now, when you have serious in fighting occurring between MOD and the in this case GD on the direction of the program with both being at fault as I've reported beyond the current safety concerns, modifying which side you load the breach from etc. when the French left theirs unmodified and all things are working properly who do you think is meeting their FOC goals first?

And now the Gov't's involved and not happy about the delays, cost over runs, the wasted taxpayer's money (I think they elect those same MP's. ;)) and safety of the troops.

This "toxic" soup is not a good mix and at a minimum I see MAJOR delays and feel NOW more than in the past, this program has a real chance of meeting the same fate as the NIMROD.

What we need to consider is that the WARRIOR CSP UNIT 276 be pushed back to JAN 2024 START. This will give the Gov't and MOD more than enough time to determine whether to restart the WARRIOR CSP and IF THEY MAKE A DESCISION THIS YEAR to have it fielded by that date. The program was in a "mature state" when cancelled with field testing of the PROTOTYPES already have started. If anything, the MOD completed field testing and maybe reduced the number of the upgraded units to act as a "stop gap" while the AJAX issues got resolved. Also, WARRIOR CSP UNIT 276 was to get an armor/ERA(?) upgrade as well.

AJAX UNIT 602 before I go further, I feel it necessary to state that I REALLY like this piece of equipment. We have it working with the resources we had at the time and since (As we've pushed it back more times by one or two then the program itself was delayed and I believe we made some "tweaks" also along the way.) it's certainly as one of the best I feel we've done.

That being said, I feel at this point that to move the START to JAN 2025 is being generous.

ARES UNIT 908 the current START is off the mark, but it "got lost" in the AJAX issue. I'm more optimistic about this unit even though late last summer it got "dragged" into the same safety evaluation as the AJAX as reports to a somewhat lesser degree were happening to the crews on that platform as well. I think a new date START OF JAN/JUN 2023 is doable for ARES providing nothing more arises from the evaluations. remember ARES is in IOC with ONLY 14 units as of last fall.
https://www.army.mod.uk/news-and-eve...d-to-the-army/
https://armyrecognition.com/defense_...ax_family.html
https://news.sky.com/story/army-paus...cerns-12323587
(ONLY 14 units with IOC PLANNED for late summer last year.)


That's the best I can do for now.

Regards,
Pat
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Future APC in Poland

Intended replacement for BWP-1 is Borsuk[Badger] which production already starting.

https://www.armyrecognition.com/imag...my_925_001.jpg

Poland also plan to buy South Korean AS21 Redback but a little bit different than this on photo with ZSSW-30 tower from Borsuk

https://www.tanknet.org/uploads/mont...28a9d8c736.jpg

Borsuk probably will be ordinary an APC and AS21 an Heavy APC becuase can't 💦

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BMP-1TS Ukraine new modernisation of old BMP-1 prototype build in 2018 and serial production in 2021 as for now only 10 delivered and already used in front-line.

has new optical equipment and new tower SPYS

https://en.defence-ua.com/industries...vice-3228.html

https://en.defence-ua.com/media/illu...19dfc874a6.jpg

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And here DPR Russian creativity such hybrid MT-LB together with BMP-1 tower from broken IFV

https://en.defence-ua.com/industries..._ifv-3685.html

https://en.defence-ua.com/media/illu...ff96e4246d.jpg

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Other hybrid MT-LB+BTR-82A in Russian forces captured by Ukrainians
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and..._82a-3851.html

This type of vehicles was intensive used during war in Chechenia in early 90's
https://en.defence-ua.com/media/illu...5077eef710.jpg

Here original photo from 1990's
https://en.defence-ua.com/media/cont...5089575636.jpg

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BMO-T heavy APC transporter build on T-72 chassis for units of RPO-A "Shmel" Russia build only 10 of them and now some were lost during "Special military operation"
https://en.defence-ua.com/media/cont...4fdf57724.webp

https://en.defence-ua.com/news/russi...aine-4234.html

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An article on the ACV from earlier today that I just read a short time ago has led me to found out what became of the AAV.

The news isn't good for either platform right now.

Another ACV has floundered making it the 3rd one since July when 2 did the same in July. It has already missed its first OPEVAL deployment which I believe was to have occurred last month. Obviously, this most recent event will further delay this 1st OPEVAL deployment by 2-3 months at least.

In this last incident I'm glad to report all three crew members got out safely. :cool:

These deployments are scheduled 2 or more years out at least some much longer depending on platform.

AVC first...
"At 7:45 p.m. on Thursday, Oct. 13 the amphibious combat vehicle suffered an unspecified “mechanical malfunction” during a training operation in the surf zone near Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton, California, according to the Marine Corps. The malfunction caused the ACV to roll over. "

"It’s not the first surf-related incident to hit the ACV. A pair of mishaps in July caused the Marine Corps to halt tests and training in the open water. High winds and surf rolled one ACV onto its side while another was taken out of commission due to 8-foot-high waves. No one was injured in those accidents"

That would for the July incidents be a Sea State 5 with the BEAUFORT Scale that ALL Mariniers use worldwide. Both the AAV and ACV are designed to be able to operate in these conditions.
https://www.weather.gov/pqr/beaufort
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ma...75d09abb885616

AAV next...
This situation is an absolute disgrace and dereliction of duty.
If we treated Submarines like these AAV's then over my career it be likely I wouldn't be here now. If you think I'm overreacting just do a "deep read" of the incident and some of you will wonder and though and be grateful that not more Marines had died over the years.
https://news.usni.org/2021/03/25/inv...in-aav-sinking

Based on the above AAV incident the USMC in DEC 2021 has withdrawn the AAV from ALL at sea operations. They are still used currently for land operations ONLY.

Or if you prefer...
"This means that the vehicles will no longer deploy on operations. What is more, they are also being barred from training in the water during exercises." .
https://defbrief.com/2021/12/16/usmc...adly-incident/
https://www.stripes.com/branches/mar...r-4000493.html

What is the "surf zone"?
Surf Zone
Area of water between the high tide level on the beach and the seaward side of the breaking waves.
https://w1.weather.gov/glossary/index.php?letter=s
Depending on the width of the beach and where the high tide comes up the beach, I'd say your GENERALLY looking at about 200yds/183m (Rounded up.) or so.

Regards,
Pat
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I'm a bit late to the party but ...
Most of the USMC motor/mech formations make use of an infantry and a transport section because of the 10 unit/formation limit.
Can't say as I've ever tried them with the AI in control to see if it can actually load the transports tho.

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AAV's are getting pretty long in the tooth (they were introduced in 1972) and most took a beating in Iraq/Afghanistan. They really haven't been used amphibiously (other then the occasional training) since they were introduced and since around 2003 till recently not even much amphibious training so crews/unit maintenance have gotten out of practice properly maintaining them for amphibious operations. And I imagine spare parts (particularly rubber hatch gaskets) are probably in very short supply due to the fact that they've been "about to be replaced" several times in the last 20 or so years I don't imagine acquiring/maintaining adequate stocks of replacement parts has been high on the bean counters priority list.

None of this is meant to excuse what's happened merely explain why it may have.

As our resident bubblehead can surely attest, anything going into and particularly under (as AAVs do when they drive off the ship and any time they're hit by any but the most mild wave) the water needs a lot of skilled maintenance on a consistent basis.

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I MUST GET READY FOR WORK BUT QUICKLY THE ADF BOXER HAS JUST REACHED IOC AFTER COMPLETING BEACH LANDING OPERATIONS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. IOC AS OF THIS PAST WEEK.

SOURCE SENT ELSEWHERE.

SORRY FOR CAPS-JUST WHERE MY KEYBRD. WAS SET.

GOTTA GO 5MINS AGO!!

REGARDS,
PAT
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Well, I'm about an hour late but Happy Halloween! to the Greek Army those MARDER 1A3 IFV's were inducted (FOC) yesterday. Check last Para. for any "tweaks" that might be needed in regard to protection.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...of_greece.html

Regards,
Pat
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The Japan Ministry of Defense has announced today that Patria AMVXP 8x8 has been selected for the Japan Ground Self-Defense Force as their next Wheeled Armored Personnel Carrier 8x8 vehicle under the WAPC programme. The selection includes manufacturing licence of the vehicles in Japan, with a solid contribution to the local economy and technology development securing the supply and service in Japan. The Patria AMVXP 8x8 vehicles will be replacing the Type-96 8x8 Armored Personnel Carrier vehicles which are currently in service by Japan Ground Self-Defense Force.

https://www.patriagroup.com/newsroom...-defense-force

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What we have now in the Japanese OOB is the Type 19 that was entered in 2018

http://www.military-today.com/apc/ne...se_8x8_apc.htm

Still digging to see what the Patria will be named. The "good news" is all these type APC's look alike and that's why it already uses a Patia based Icon and has the same armor ratings as the Patria

If they follow past conventions guessing it will be a Type 04..... Maybe Type 22.... maybe

In any event, it is 50/50 whether one will be issued before the end of 2025

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German DPA news article translated:

I see I may need to make "adjustments" to the OOB......

It's the "affect vehicles in a special configuration" bit that is "interesting" as well as "turret defects" comment but especially.........."was only declared combat-ready last year"

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At least the UK was smart (Though the Parliament had to step in on "behalf" :rolleyes: of the MOD.) enough not to proceed with the AJAX (Another SDR decision on AJAX is supposed to be released in March 2023.) ), obviously I give the Germans too much credit.

If only Rommel or Gurdian was still around, this probably wouldn't have happened!?! :D

I think that your article post means a START date change if it only came into operational service last year. Might have something in my APC folder if needed.

Regards,
Pat
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There is something even more buggered up about this than usual

FWIW Wiki's source claims "In service 2015–present" They have a photo captioned "A Puma of Panzergrenadier Battalion 33 during a live-fire exercise at Bergen-Hohne Training Area in 2016." but that article says it "was only declared combat-ready last year"

Wikis sources also claim "The Puma has been in service with the German Army since April 2015. 350 vehicles have been delivered as of August 2021. Originally 405 were ordered, but on 11 July 2012 the order was reduced to 350. In March 2022 the German Army secured financing for a second batch of 229 Pumas."

So IDK WTF it is

https://www.army-technology.com/projects/puma_tracked/

UNTIL I LEARN ANYTHING MORE DEFINITIVE AND VERIFIABLE THAT'S WHAT IT WILL BE IN THE GAME

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

I'm sure the PUMA issue is resolved to my mind when I see words like "evaluated", "testing", "operational testing" and similar after reading several articles on the stoppage of production on the PUMA.

Well, there's more than one PUMA.

The first has been operational for a few years now. The PUMA...
http://tank-masters.de/?page_id=2986

The current "troublemaker" is the PUMA JVTF/PUMA S1 with the first PUMAs to have started the upgrade process earlier this year.
http://tank-masters.de/?page_id=8685

Arby's might have the MEAT but I have the refs. ;) :D :p :cool: plus, the E-MO- GEEZ!

Regards,
Pat
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Well, it seems that for the time being Puma will be in the fridge:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ry-2022-12-19/

I do believe they'll sort things out eventually, but there should be a period in 2022-2023 where they arent available.

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

It would appear that this "issue" only affects the latest upgrade. The originals are operational

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Well, it's finally happening these next two have been "waiting in the wings" more recently in the last week or so concerning the BRADLEY.

Someone just had to be first to step up and that was France with the AMX-10 RCR (Upgraded version.) with a new 105mm round, this is a "done deal" so it's a matter of when as opposed to if.
More on this somewhere else.

So here come the MARDERS and BRADLEYS...
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe..._vehicles.html
(Mentions the "French Connection".)
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe..._vehicles.html
(Might be the same ones Jordan received a couple of years ago.)

Now we wait for the WHEN.

Regards,
Pat
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Lebanon not Jordan


Assuming this does happen and we add them to the OOB's they will be in their own UC and use the BMD sections for passengers

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What these are in MBT are ammo carriers

Their main purpose is to carry 32 RPO-series one shot flame-throwers for use by the 7 Chemical troops they carry and there is a good chance only half of them are still in use.

I will add this into the SHP files for use by scenario designers to swap with an existing ammo carrier

https://forum.shrapnelgames.com/atta...1&d=1673127994


But IMHO it's not worth using one of the few slots left in that OOB for

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

This icon it's great and thanks for add this to shp file

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Re: PUMA

Been reading another forum and the basics are:

1.) The Bundeswehr no longer has integral maintenance units at Battalion level.

2.) The Pumas were apparently from the training pool which has no corporate unit "ownership" -- they were passed around.

3.) Turns out all but one of the 18 Puma AIFV that broke down during a training exercise could have been fixed by the army within 30 minutes if they had mechanics and the spare parts.

4.) Lots of petty failures -- screen breaks after accidentally being kicked; a blown fuze, screw loose on the ATGM launcher, one vehicle was perfectly fine, but the crew forgot that the auxiliary heating only works when the engine is turned on -- in one sample only two were really damaged -- they had deformed turret rings from hitting something (?)

5.) Slightly related -- about 20 years ago when the Swedish evaluated PzH 2000 and AS-90; they essentially said AS-90 was suitable for conscripts while PzH 2000 was more suitable for career soldiers due to more details to keep track of -- during the Swedish trials it seems you had to keep the floor of the PzH 2000 really clean as small gravel pebbles had a tendency to get into the moving parts there and cause issues otherwise.

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Damaged turrets can happen due to quite small things. Way back in the 1970s one of the University OTC Saladins had the crew forget to travel secure the turret while going over to St Andrews, and on a downhill section of road the turret swung round and the barrel swiped and destroyed a concrete streetlamp.

Required a new 76mm gun barrel (even though it loked perfectly fine visually) and workshop inspection to check the turret race bearings ( IIRC, I was in the Territorials then as it paid much better than UOTC, but had a friend who was in the UOTC).

Interview "without coffee" for the officer cadet in charge:doh:

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More things added. Just waiting to see if it's the 30mm or 40mm version

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Looks like the 40mm m/70B as modified from the Bofors 40 mm L/70 automatic gun used primarily for AA purposes. If it's an export CV90 version from Sweden, then see the below NEXT PARA.
http://hhogman.se/combat-vehicles-1-swe.htm

"The Swedish version of the main infantry fighting vehicle (IFV) is fitted with a turret from Bofors that is equipped with a 40 mm Bofors autocannon. Export versions are fitted with Hägglunds E-series turrets, armed with either a 30 mm Mk44 or a 35 mm Bushmaster autocannon."
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...o_ukraine.html

Regards,
Pat
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OK, 40mm was my guess as that's the standard Swedish version

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

We now know which CV90 the Ukraine will get...
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...the_world.html

Regards,
Pat
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Well that's good as it's the one I put in the OOB...

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Well, I need a short break from the war and went looking for information concerning the AJAX which should've been in service about 8 years ago or so.

It seems "GD" around OCT 2022 had made adjustments to the AJAX to reduce the vibration and noise levels to an "acceptable" level.

I cannot not for sure say the Reliability Growth Trials have started this month as planned for AJAX.

ASSUMING they have as it currently stands from MOD, those trials WILL NOT be completed before JUN 2024 or JAN 2025. (They use the Normal Calendar year.) . The following are from NOV & DEC 26, 2022.

I'll be providing the "click on" links from the article as they appear in it.
https://www.army-technology.com/news...il%20Q1%202025.
https://www.army-technology.com/feat...ins-a-mystery/
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans...-11-30.99721.h
https://questions-statements.parliam...2-12-13/109427
https://assets.publishing.service.go...22_to_2032.pdf
(PAGE 29 IS WHERE YOU WANT TO BE. AS THE ARTICLE STATED THERE ARE NO SERVICE-CONNECTED DATES i.e., IOC/FOC FOR EITHER AJAX OR BOXER.)


I've been posting on this for OVER 14 years (2008) now (Indias ARJUN was ONLY 10 years by comparison.) back then it was the FRES-SV Program which was another disaster. For background purposes...
https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com...-report-04821/
https://www.army-technology.com/projects/fres/
https://www.deagel.com/news/n000006302
https://www.army-technology.com/proj...alist-vehicle/
https://www.defensedaily.com/general...international/
http://armedforces.co.uk/army/listings/l0131.html


That's enough damage for this OMG early morning.

I need this to happen so I know when to get to bed!?! :typing: :pc:

Well it's better than CINCLANTHOME doing that!?! :eek: :p

Regards,
Pat
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The date I have in the V17 OOB is 1/125. What you see in yours was changed months ago.There's an even chance it will be later than that

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BRADLEY status sort of for Ukraine.

Prepping for shipment for training purposes. Also, USA moving forward into Poland to support maintenace operations there for our units in country and further support of BRADLEY's before shipping them to the Ukraine once training is complete.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...an_forces.html

Regards,
Pat
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Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...h-training-us/

I'm thinking April/May is when we see the US gear (Bradley/Stryker/M109 Paladin) enter major combat -- right now we're training the trainers, who will in turn train more people themselves...

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Of course, we will all look back a year from now with hindsight that will be 20/20 and I still have another month and a half or so to nail down a better number that will no doubt, probably be wrong but FOR NOW I have the Stykers in 4/23 and the Bradleys 5/23 only because the learning curve is steeper for the Brads and FOR NOW the Abrams is 9/23 and that could all change tomorrow..... or this afternoon.... or not at all and if a true breakthrough is made and everything is needed to plug the hole then everything could change......again

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Read this today:

https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-...ng-in-germany/

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Just getting around to this..... it's already in the game as Russian unit 800 and now in Ukraine as well