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To state something here that I said to both Mr. Krol and Annette (and received different responses to), it is (theoretically) fine if you don't think the previous ads were offensive. However, the response to the criticism was that 'you shouldn't be offended'. This is equivalent to stating, "I will tell you what your morality should be." As for myself, I will not accept that.

Edit: Just saw 'male' ad. Just as bad (if not worse) than the aforementioned ads. Sheesh...

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Are you freaking kidding me? I've been ignoring this thread until I wondered what you guys have been talking about for 15 pages. Are there really so many people with such thin skin?

Even if you don't like pretty girls how in the world does "I don't think that advertisement will be effective" transition to "shrapnel hates us and I'm boycotting them"? Why does anybody suddenly care *so* much about the Shrapnel advertising campaign? Seems like a lot of people walking around looking for reasons to be offended.

I mean really, realize that the summary of much of this thread is 1) I don't like ads with pretty women and 2) I'm not going to buy Shrapnel games because they ignored my opinion on their advertising campaign.

Honestly, I have no idea how anyone could be regularly accessing the internet and find *that* ad so offensive, but as that's just my opinion I'll follow that up with a suggestion that you just block/ignore stuff that does offend you...that's how you generally should deal with people who have different values than you do.

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The fact that you completely mis-summarized the main issues talked about in the thread shows that you did not really read the thread.

Your first statement is incorrect because I quite like the Ninja ad, so it's not _just_ pretty women. Read my other posts in this thread for an enlargement on this. The second statement is inaccurate because it's not that they ignored my opinion (though they did); it's the fact that I choose not to support people who use such advertising styles.

I think it should be considered a given that you should please people who you want to buy your product. As such, I would also consider it a given that people who you displease will not want to buy your product.

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No, I didn't completely mis-summarize, I selectively summarized deliberately to emphasize my point. I'm fully aware that you have a reason you consider valid to get on a high horse, my dismissal of this as an objection to "pretty women" was an implication that I find your position both in the minority and fairly silly by underlining that the whole basis of both the ad and the objection is because people like to look at pretty women. The fact that you find this silly reason so compelling as to cause you not just to be unable to ignore it, so important you're not satisfied to lodge a complaint, so vital as to force you to take the action of boycotting Shrapnel is unfathomable to me.

Ok, you didn't like the ad and you're taking your ball and going home. I can't believe that this is such an important issue to you and my suggestion stands that you'll have a much less stressful and more enriching life if you can just learn to ignore the low brow humor of the guy sitting next to you instead of trying to get him thrown off the bus and when that fails deciding that you'll do without bus service yourself.

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Thank you Baalz! I've been following this thread (sad I know) but could not figure out how to put my thoughts into words. You have said what I couldn't figure out how to.

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Way to continue your misrepresentation Baalz. No-one has demanded shrapnel change their ads, they have simply expressed their opinion of them and concluded they don't want to have further dealings with that company. It isn't because they 'failed' to get their way, it's because they have a problem with Shrapnel's conduct.

It isn't just my opinion of Shrapnel that's been lowered based on this thread. The way people with reasonable concerns are being deliberately misread, mocked and attacked by other members of the forum is just pathetic.

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Lighten up everyone

The guy in the new ad is actually KO!

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> DryaUnda & Tuidjy:
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> Marketing asked me to inform you that they are listening. Check back on Sunday...

Awesome! Now that's what I am talking about! Any chance you guys include the
full picture (as opposed of a wide but not very tall one) in the game box? :-)

No, serious, that is a damn nice ad, at least for this particular 40 year old
gamer. And congratulation for your choice of models, although I do not think
that this is the lady from the first ad. Just as great looking, and the exact
right expression on her face.

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I think it's awesome you guys talked yourself into implied naked male advertising for dominions. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

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