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Frank, did one of your wolves defect after our last battle? I have never recruited or summoned wolves before, I only get the ones that show up from the Oni, but somehow I have one in my garrison now.

By the way, what exactly happened in that battle? It looks like you were winning, you bore down on me with relitivly few casualties, then all of a sudden everone started running. Could I be using fear as a weapon against you?

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Does a battlefield enchantment stop when the mage dies? I killed the caster of it. Maybe that explains why it stopped.

And by the way, it sucks that your anti-demon spell works on oni but pro-demon effects, like darkness protection dont.

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I love massed phoenix pyres http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Haha, yeah that last battle went much better for you as far as the Pheonix Pyre tactic. Virtually every one of your damn exploding mages reappeared right in the middle of one of my attacking squads.

I'd make some pun about a Pyrric victory, but I'll refrain.

Anyway, some fun fights. But most of all I'm glad I finally rid myself of that squad of Abyssian Fiends that was causing so much trouble in my hinterlands.

On a side note, my Twiceborn spell reanimated one of my key mages with all 5 of his afflictions intact, including the disease that killed him in the first place. That kind of sucks.

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Well it would be nice if he decided to reattach his missing arm so he could carry a Skull Staff. Thankfully he at least still has his head.

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I wish my commanders could get their arms back too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif. Its some sort of cruel and unusual punishment that Catsby inflicts on his victims. He must collect the arms or something D:

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A plea for Mercy
 

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My turns have become woefully short, but i understand the need for more time. I am cool with 48hr host.

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I was about to ask the same thing. We are overdue, well overdue, for a change to a 48 hour turn.

XOX

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3 days even better, really

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3 days is a bit long for the standard host time. I would be willing to put turns on hold for special circumstances, but 3 days encourages later play.

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I understand and sympathize with Tien Chi and I believe that Whollaberg complained recently of having to stale once because of a lack of time to complete his complicated turns.

I certainly don't mind increasing host time to 48 hrs.

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I understand Franks plea for longer host time and agree that it should be altered.
I too find it very tedious to plan battle order for 100+ mages and masses of troops every turn even thou battling against the pretender Catsby has been costly for Vanherr Thanatos in terms of lives of he's subjects. (which by dying reduce the workload, thank Zeus http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

So I agree on anything under 200 hours,

Cheers,
Whollaborg

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Ah, once so mighty empire of Tien Chi falls to their arrogance. Endless warmongering has brought together all the nations of the world to face the assailant.

Empire that claimed to be the middle kingdom crumbles under the foot of Vanheim. Half a dozen parties of a mere handfull of our shock troops appearing deep inside the empire slaughters entire divisions of defenders with not much effort.
All this in the name of Vanherr Thanatos

Totally different awe is brought to the people of Tien Chi on their knees begging for mercy when our masters of combat teleport or fly in alone in the form of tartarean cyclops, titans, ice devils, golems and other not yet seen servants of Vanherr Thanatos.

Unopposed is the might of Vanherr Thanatos.

So said the True God

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I dont think you get to determine 2nd place like that.

Victory: Whollaborg
 

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Sorry to intrude on your game, but I would say that if someone quits while anyone else is still playing, they forfeit any position they might have.

The only way someone is declared winner, or 2nd place, or whatever, is if everyone still left in the game agrees.

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Although because this is my first game i am loathe to end it, I think I can agree than Vanheim takes 1st and TienChi second.

This game has gone on for a long time and I think it is past the point of being relevent. If it were based on VPs, the 2 leaders would gobble up the smaller nations left and try to get them quicker, but with no VPs, its a slow grind to the end.

I am all for ending it. (I will except last place of the remaining players http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif)

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I'd say its up to Tien Chi and Vanheim. If they both agree to #2 and #1 respectively, then game over. I doubt any of the other nations are in a position to refute such a declaration.

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I AM! ok, maybe not..... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Ok, if we are just declaring it, I declare i am grand winner.

Noone gets to arbitrairly say they are #2 or #1 or # anything. Especially when quitting the game.

For a player to quit when they think they are losing and say lets the end the game NOW and determine who won by how powerful we are now at this point THEY decide , which happens ot be just before they get crushed is really lame.

Not saying it was not a fun game and everyone did well and all. Tien Chi certainly covered themselves in glory in this game. I just got a serious problem with someone quiting just before they see defeat and saying lets tally up player positions NOW.

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I look ending of Dominions as a game from two different perspectives.

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First point of view, (Dominions as a game that ends before all is settled)

It's 74th turn and I understand how Tien Chi's battle morale drops very dramatically by the sudden downfall (2-3 last turns) of their empire that has been ruling the province charts pretty much for most of the game. But as Franktrollman has cited Sun Tsu already he might be aware of the thing that the morale of combatants is the very key in winning (anyone).

I think that battles are really not won by fleeing and thus the fleeing participiant cannot declare they have won any of those who stayed on the field.
You all might remember this basic rule from the boardgames of old, like the Monopoly and such. We were all children and during that period we learned a lot of which we so very often seem to have forgotten a lot too.

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Second point of view, (Dominions as a game in where there cannot be more than the one)

Ascending to the goodhood might be possible for only one of the pretenders?

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I feel that one of the players cannot whistle the game over now - when he's morale drops and he finds out that there is an another (vastly more important life - i admit) and he "has to go".

I feel that both Kydorias of the C'tis and Xox of the Maverni are both in rather strong postion to dispute over the claim of Tien Chi beating them.
Hell, They even might be in a position to question my win! This should happen if we look at the game of Dominions in the sense that only one of the pretenders could ascend.
If they would like to try i would be happy to learn and teach a bit from them.

-Whollaborg

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If we continue i would like to see our generous host relaxing the the Prozeß -time of the turns.

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They may refute the declaration on the field of battle. If their opponents have quit, they win by default. Pretty simple.

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Sheap is still hosting, right? Did anyone ask him to increase the quickhost time?

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I guess Sheap didn't even have time to increase quickhost time as Frank asked it in this thread on tuesday and it seemed to be agreed on wednesday and now it's thursday. Perhaps he's not informed even now?
(I am sending him a pm.)

I find it unreasonable from Frank to complain about the host already without him being able to respond.

Another unreasonable thing is to claim something but not willing to back the big words with deeds:
Perhaps you could give Sheap a bit more time and play just few turns so i could really show you how the beating is to be given as you seem not to be willing to surrender but would like to boast.
If i would have seen this kind of behaviour coming i would have attacked more ruthlessly and without as much caution with the attack to leave you a bit less to build your fantasies upon.

If your behaviour would be accepted we should hear Xox too and accept he's pretenders ascendacy to goodhood.

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I'll play to the end whatever the case may be. I know I'm having fun.

But I don't think the 24-hour turns have anything to do with Frank being "Denied". Rather, I suspect its more to do with the fact that Sheap got tired of this game a while ago and hasn't bothered to check this forum for several days. I also know that he's staled most (if not all) of the last 5 turns.

So I suspect he's just not up to par on what's going on with this particular game and he'll extend the turn hosting time once he gets Whollaberg's message.

Then everyone should have enough time to process turns and continue this game if that's what we desire.

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Frankly,
You claim that you could play 73 turns with 24 hours quickhost and when you lost you told you couldn't do it anymore a single turn.
Outrageous!
Furthermore, building false fantasies after cowardly deed annoy us.

Tien Chi's Nexus was down and its gem income was about a half of Vanheims already when you annouced that "you would be the second and run". Vanir, golems, tartareans and devils were taking your provinces around 10 a turn at the time and all the time more and more troops emerged behind your lines by teleporting, and flying. (...and Sneaking trough Maverni provinces by the way)

And in diplomacy you sucked even more,
Both nations of Ctis and Maverni which were already more powerful than your Tien Chi and both had promised to Vanheim to join in the war against Tien Chi. But then of cource your claylegged empire crumbled surprisingly easily and they didn't have to rise an arm.

Now you claim that you beated them, no way!

Please reconsider this and we would be happy.

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He already staled on a critical turn. There is no way he would bother comming back to this game. Its not worth the effort. I don't think he even cares enough to bother with claiming second place. There are no prizes for winning, and the situation of the game up untill now isn't going to be contested because he staled and everyone ganged up on him.

So, are you argueing that he shouldn't consider himself 2nd or that he shouldn't leave? There no way to to win either of those arguements. He will believe what he wants and he isn't comming back.

I would like to see this game end and another one come up again. I would be interested to see if the outcome would be the same now that everyone isn't a noob anymore.

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No FAJ, I don't believe he would start playing (i am neither attempting to convince him to play).
And he didn't stale the critical turns as those were turns he's position was taken and he's empire was crushed. He only staled when he saw that there was no hope for him left.

Instead of forcing him to "play" i'd like to see him withdraw those outrageous claims he's put up.

I am ready to finish this game if you others are too.

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I am ok with the game going on or with declaring Whollaberg winner. No outrageous claims to 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc...

Anything can still happen, I really believe that, with the wild magic and forces available at this stage of the game. On one hand it would be fun to try those out, but on the other hand Whollaberg is definitly in the commanding lead.

Shall we give it to him by acclamation? You have my vote for that or for continuing. Whatever the rest of you want.

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If we did continue, it would have to be everyone vs. Whollaborg. I watched several of the huge battles in Anodyr with Tien Chi vs. Vanheim and I know I wouldn't have been able to win against either side.

So if we continue, lets all gang up on horsey-boy. Or if we don't continue, that's fine with me as well.

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I could have increased the turn timer but was not watching this thread those days. Sorry about that http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif I feel like a bad host. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif:(:(:(:(:(:(

What should happen now?

As far as agreeing to an ending, IMO it is more common in games without victory conditions to have to agree to one, otherwise the game drags on indefinitely. At some point, there is simply no point in continuing to play. IMO, if the only nations with a realistic chance of winning agree on a pecking order, then that's good enough. BUT that is no rule, just my perception. What constitutes a "realistic chance of winning" is usually apparent but not possible to define.

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Vanheim can't win. Its not allowed. I have been plotting against Vanheim ever since they picked on poor Ermor. The rest of you gang up on Vanheim, okay.

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In any case, Please increase tthe turn timer to at least 48 hours. NOW please. NOW!!!!!!! For the love of GOD NOW PLEASE!

thanks!

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I would rather it end.

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Ok, then, i declare Whollaberg winner, any objections?

Are we agreed? please say yes or no.

On a side note, Of my own XOX awards:

I give Faj the Euroasian landmass award for the most successful defense, slowing and with help, finally stopping the tien chi Juggernaught.

Sarruud gets the most tenacious defense award although most of you may not have seen it.

Tien CHi wins the Evil Empire award for scaring the crap out of the entire map as the empire we were all afraid of.

I am sure abyssia and Ctis were worthy of awards, but I am ignorant of events in those far fabled regions, which we druids are pretty sure only exist in legend anyways.

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ok,

Lets end the game. And thank you all who played or commented the game. It was fun!

Cheers with no hard feelings,
Wborga

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Perhaps Sheap could give us all access to the master password to enable all view the situation concerning all of the nations left, if it is acceptable to everyone involved?

If Sheap would kindly do this he might be gentle enough to leave the situation for all to see for few weeks or so too...

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Maybe i could have the award for most HoFers? I currently have 5 (dead) annointed of rhuax in there along with a heliophagi and my 572 kill cyclops http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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I nominate myself for the player with the most armless commanders.

I agree Vanhiem wins. Im setting myself to ai now.

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I nominate myself for the most effective diplomacy, which allowed me to sit around basically doing nothing and building up a huge army which also did virtually nothing since I had treaties with almost all my neighbors. So in our Newbie game which was supposed to let us learn strategy & tactics, I learned very little. Heh.

I have no problems with declaring Whollaborg the winner and offer congratulations for a well fought campaign. I'm still amazed the tables turned so drastically against Niefelheim.

--Kydorias, Lord of C'Tis

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I contest your best diplomacy.

I sat between two nations ready to go to war for land, when I had only 2-3 provinces for 5-15 turns. through diplomacy I outlasted my would-be conquerer. And somehow survived the game.