Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

"wait and see"....... that's all we can do ATM

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

More waiting and seeing:

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/stat...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

https://twitter.com/DenesTorteli/sta...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

I found some much better views of the UKR BT-4 than I had found in the past and realized how wrong the ones I had in there were so they have all been redone ( wip )

https://i.imgur.com/RXkhm5W.png

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Don, while you're on the subject ... maybe look at the relative size of the LVT7/AAV vs the ACV icons.

LVT
Length 7.94 m
Width 3.27 m
Height 3.26 m

ACV
Length 8.90 m
Width 3.10 m
Height 2.80 m

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

A hint about what you think is wrong would be nice.............

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Based on the info you provided a "case" could be made that both are ONE PIXEL too long and the ACV is ONE PIXEL too wide

RPT..... ONE PIXEL and in case you didn't know one pixel for vehicle icons = 6 inches


This would be the difference 300% larger than normal
https://i.imgur.com/B83CRa6.png


SERIOUSLY ? this is an issue?

EDIT.....I have seen cases where at this scale a couple of pixels especially in width can make an obvious difference when corrected but I don't see that happening in this case

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

As said.
Their relative size looked a bit off.
Maybe just an illusion but the ACV icon looked much longer then the LVT/AAV one not 8.90 vs 7.94, i.e. 112% the length. Maybe the somewhat tapered bow on the LVT/AAV ...

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

MT-LB with naval guns are not a prototype according to this insformations are serial manufactuting and results of sanctions

https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and..._gun-5947.html

https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...tted-6014.html

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Russian Unit 870 will do exactly the same thing using exactly the same numbers as this would and it saves using a limited weapons slot for it as we do not have the 25mm aa gun in the Russian OOB

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Meaby add some not standard & small series Russian and (DPR &LPR creativity) vehicles to Red OOB in most cases will be used by scenario creators rather not in campaigns. The same way like overflow German vehicles in SPWW2

Here are different variations of this project:

First ship from where this guns comes from Project 1204 artillery boat with PT-76 tower

https://en.defence-ua.com/media/cont...239634aa3b.jpg

MT-LB with various MG for AA purpose they certain are not serial produced

https://en.defence-ua.com/media/cont...23a15a23bf.jpg

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

If you want a modern patrol boat check out the 2023 USMC OOB when it's released.

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

I see what's on the web concerning the AMPV however there is at least one more legal step required before the USA can set a fielding date which won't happen until sometime after 3 April, 2023.
https://www.army.mil/article/264499/...rpose_vehicles
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF11741
(Program status to Congress from USA.)

Regards,
Pat
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Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

https://www.military.com/daily-news/...d-vehicle.html

It seems that 3ID is already getting the vehicles.

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

It's nice to know we were only "out" by three months. Betting all that is going on spurred testing to a higher level. I will replace the existing photo with something less " fresh from the factory"

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

As I just posted elsewhere, MOD has reset the dates for AJAX which isn't good for us. They apparently did restart the trials for AJAX in NOV/DEC 2022 after a very long pause that I had posted on since the program began. I'm not here to rehash the whole thing as I've got other issues to take care of, but it's all well documented in here if you feel you need more information.

For now, from the ref...
"According to a tweet posted on March 21 by the British Army, positive progress has continued on the next phase of Ajax trials, with the Ministry of Defence confirming the revised in-service dates and resuming payments to General Dynamics for delivery of the programme. With an initial payment of £480 million, withheld since December 2020 (That was 2 YEARS lost to that issue alone-Mine.) due to challenges with noise and vibration, the MOD will resume payments to General Dynamics as the vehicles are scheduled to enter initial operating capability between July and December 2025. "

"Subject to contract amendment, updated schedules direct that Initial Operating Capability will be achieved between July and December 2025, delivering a trained and deployable squadron that can be sustained on operations for up to six months. (What MOD has paid for thus far-Mine.) "

That pushes FOC well into 2026.

Also note from the current picture in the ref. AJAX appears to have an improved armor package as well from what we have now in the game.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...of_trials.html

I've just been given a new assignment from "HIGHER AUTHORITY" to complete and I better get on it or else I might get "busted down" a paygrade or two. :eek:

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

I won't report any further news on the AJAX as it's still not good and follows my last on it at FOC 2028 from MOD.

So, I'll move on to the Ukraine, MARDER A3/A3+ START MAR (Announced on the 29th)/APR 2023.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...nian_army.html

Also, the EU and U.S. from the weapons "BANK Fund" are buying from Poland 100 NEW Production ROSOMAK APC
8x8 as shown in the ref. The contract was signed on the 1st of this month.

HOWEVER, THERE IS NO TIMELINE WHEN PRODUCTION WILL BEGIN OR WHEN THEY WILL BE DELIVERED.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe..._vehicles.html

Done for today and probably well until whenever. Time for a walk.!

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Intresting is which version of Rosmoak are inside this order?

Rosomak with HIFIST
Rosomak with ZSSW-30
Rosomak M3
Rosomak with RAK

https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...both-6271.html

https://en.defence-ua.com/news/ukrai...iers-6260.html

https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...krab-6272.html

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/100-rosoma...d-for-ukraine/

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Wait and see, They won't be coming anytime soon

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Anyone knows anything about this ?

https://www.militarytimes.com/flashp...rt-to-ukraine/

https://www.militarytimes.com/resize...2YRHLVODRE.jpg

I have no idea what's in that turret mounted on the 113. It looks like ( sorta) an Australian M113A1 FSV but the barrel seems too long and it is allegedly part of a package of M113s being sent to Ukraine but I suspect an editor found an "interesting shot" and included it but what this is and why it was supposedly at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany is unknown to me

Anyone?

Another version of this article captions this photo


OK...... found more info by Googling "1st Battalion, 4th Infantry Regiment"

https://currentops.com/img/default/e...AwMzUzNiJ9.jpg

https://currentops.com/img/default/e...AwMzU0MCJ9.jpg

https://currentops.com/img/default/e...AwMzU1NSJ9.jpg

https://currentops.com/img/default/e...AwMzU1NCJ9.jpg


Have not yet found a description


FOUND IT !

https://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...russian-tanks/

"The Army Dressed Up Older Armored Vehicles to Impersonate Russian Tanks"

:doh::doh::doh:

https://www.flickriver.com/photos/12...7/25374050584/

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Well, I'm going to "step out" of the Thread box for a moment as this is part of the of and the lead in the ref below.

Ref. 1
"Just this week, 65 Ukrainian air defenders completed Patriot training at Fort Sill, Oklahoma, and have now arrived back in Europe."

Ref. 2
"Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) missile defense project director Tom Karako ..."

"Built by Raytheon Missiles & Defense, each battery includes a radar, control station, power generators, 5-8 launchers, support vehicles/equipment and requires about 90 personnel to operate. Considered a theater-scale surface-to-air missile defense system, it is mobile though “not super-mobile because of its footprint,” Karako says."

It would appear from what I've read that the Ukraine will be operating 2 Batteries of the PATRIOT System.

This includes the one we're sending and with the combined total from the EU members who are conducting separate training on theirs in Europe.

Ref. 1

"Meanwhile in Germany, at the close of this month, more than 4,000 Ukrainian soldiers and two brigades, one equipped with M2A2 Bradley Fighting Vehicles (ODAS as already identified and addressed.) and one equipped with Stryker ICVs will have completed combined-arms training and have returned to Ukraine."

"Additional combined-arms training is currently underway at Grafenwoehr and Hohenfels training areas in Germany, with two motorized infantry battalions consisting of 1,200 Ukrainian Armed Forces personnel. Operator and maintenance training on donated platforms is also ongoing, with more than 3,000 Ukrainian soldiers having completed platform training and 40 different programs of instruction on more than 20 systems since April of 2022."

"The 59 Bradley IFVs included in this package, together with the 50 Bradleys previously committed on January 6, and the 90 Stryker APCs will provide Ukraine with two brigades of armored capability. "

As I might've already mentioned they are keeping them with the same Brigade.

The ONLY other question besides when they'll be arriving and put into service is, will they wait for the ABRAMS or integrate them in the Combined Operations Training in country with their Russian/Ukrainian tanks which by the way for several months now are operating within their own Brigades etc. by tank type.

It's an interesting dynamic to ponder but, one I think will happen.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...yker_icvs.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericteg...h=1af6786596f8

I figured I'd save you some the time of reading these (But feel free to do so.) as there seems to be some "reading into" an article vice just "reading it." and "The World continues to spin round and round". :rolleyes:

Based on the previous post just want to make sure the Ukraine got the Australian M113AS4. Which is the ONLY one they have.
http://www.military-today.com/apc/m113as4.htm

I'd rather be in theirs than ours given the choice.

EDIT: Australia is to build 100 BOXER CRV LANCER for Germany with deliveries to START SOMETIME IN 2025.

Current status the Australian BOXER CRV in it's STILL IN IOC.

I know this because I get their OFFFICIAL ARMY MOD "NEWSPAPER" online. Love the Aussies, they were very helpful to us and the game as Don might well remember as well.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Yep, it's been in for awhile

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

I hate to provide a post that's all milk and no meat, but I felt like sharing this funny 'APC development'. A friend of mine has a friend (Yes yes, one giant game of telephone. This one, I promise, is legit) in Ukraine that's been part of the TDF since the war began, and recently his unit managed to snag hold of a Russian T-64(?) tank that had a busted turret and a wonked up drivetrain. Since the turret was worthless and the drivetrain was too messed up to use as an ARV they went for the next best idea possible. They tore the turret off, mounted a sort of casemate to the ring with a DShK mount and are using it in a 'Kangaroo' role. That is to say it's rolling about with the M113s, humvees, and assorted other equipment in their unit and carrying infantry around. Apparently from what I've heard the Russians don't like it all that much.

It's amazing what happens on the battlefield when you're at war, huh?

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Interesting

If it was Russian that's the first T-64 I have heard reported. it if was a 64 it is more likely Ukrainian BUT...... I have heard that Donetsk and Luhansk have some and that is where the fighting is mostly

My question is ( and I know you don't know .....)if the " drivetrain was too messed up" to use as a ARV how is it working as an APC ?

That said it really doesn't surprise me though it is unusual the Ukrainians have shown a real talent for improvisation.

They build companies worth it might be worth putting in the game. A photo would be interesting

https://i.imgur.com/vsrngz4.png

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Well this was fun
Found this

https://scalemodellingcentral.blob.c...e3c7f71d27.jpg

That is a.......


Found a photo.........

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/dat...e096b69095.jpg

It appears from other photos I have found of what looks like museum photos and some illustrations they were painted Blue


https://i.imgur.com/yqU4vIK.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...C-latrun-3.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/hSA4zcJ.png

https://upload.forumfree.net/i/ff7122163/7ShWp8X.jpg

Now integrated into the SLA in the Lebanese OOB

https://i.imgur.com/kmDYsVh.png
https://upload.forumfree.net/i/ff7122163/7ShWp8X.jpg

I never know what kind of rabbit hole I am going to go down on any given day............

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Those are begging for a scenario design ... very cool!

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Some of the SLA vehicles border on Mad Max

https://i.redd.it/9ql579o2e9891.jpg
https://static.timesofisrael.com/www...9060301556.jpg





https://i.imgur.com/YNOt3nP.png

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Poland Has also such APC build from assault gun TOSU-76
used by KBW (internal troops) in 50's decomisioned in early 70's after introduction of BMP-1 to mechanised trops
https://forum.odkrywca.pl/uploads/mo...7d51cabcc3.png

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Both the Stryker M1126 APC/M1132 Stryker ESV are operational at this time. We do not know how many they actually have but they are there.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...o_ukraine.html

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

I had the APC for April but the EVS for May...... both are April now

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

[quote=DRG;854247]Some of the SLA vehicles border on Mad Max
https://static.timesofisrael.com/www...9060301556.jpg

Brings back memories of the vehicles we had during Desert Storm.

Apx. 20xHMMWV with a mix of M2 HMGs and Mk19 AGLs, 1x5-ton truck for general cargo (mostly concertina wire to construct a POW compound), 1xCity bus outfitted as a mobile field kitchen, 1xT-55 to tow the bus when it got stuck, 2xSazuki Samurai "liberated" from the Iraqis, 2xKLR motorcycle (messengers).

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

And there we have it folks, a T-64 APC out in the wild. Isn't she beautiful? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ftz3UinW...pg&name=medium

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Just add article about this T-64 vehicle from official source
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukraine-re...very-vehiclee/
according to their source this isn't APC :( ARV recovery vehicle

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ft2twYZW...jpg&name=small

They also recieve TAB-71M from Romania
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/tab-71m-ar...ve-in-ukraine/

New photo of Kevlar-e from frontline
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FsTANXVW...jpg&name=small

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

In other article is stated that this vehicle is an APC and Ukraine long before full scalle war have similar concept of APC build on T-64 chasis and was called BMPV-64 by Kharkiv Armor Plant. So I'm a little bit confused this improvised vehicle is ARV or APC ? :( from other side BMPV-64 was never build in series and there is no info that prototype is used now so who now.

https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and..._war-6426.html


Oryx also mention about Ovod APC build on Gaz-66 light truck chasis. only prototype was build but is actively used in fights here is a link about this vehicle

https://www.armyrecognition.com/weap..._12410154.html

https://www.armyrecognition.com/imag...dustry_001.jpg
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2023/0...ukrainian.html

here photo which can proof usage of this simple APC

https://i.postimg.cc/QMXqVmFb/558.png

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

REALLY good photo of something T-?? that they din't bother to caption....

Can anyone tell me what it is?

https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...s16000/337.jpg

The closest guess Google can come up with is T-80U but.....IDK

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

T-84U is on the list under this tank the same photo

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Found two others photos of APC SU-76 --> TOSU-76

https://scontent.fpoz4-1.fna.fbcdn.n...gg&oe=64663ECD

https://scontent.fpoz4-1.fna.fbcdn.n...OA&oe=64662B74

Bradley in Ukraine pixelated camo

https://en.defence-ua.com/media/illu...e52e7cee3c.jpg

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Ya know, that pixelated cammo does a pretty good job of breaking up the vehicles silhouette. You actually have to look twice to be sure it's a Bradley.

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/02/ukra...n-ukraine.html

The order of the stories may change depending on when this is viewed but the one that caught my eye was "Volunteers build ‘Frankenstein’ vehicles to aid the Ukraine effort"

Which look like a lot of things that were built during the Spanish Civil war ( and for the same reasons )
https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/imag...=webp&vtcrop=y
https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/imag...=webp&vtcrop=y

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

There are not APC or whatever else they are even not military vehicles even if they are armored. The are ambulances on the wheel's and created to save life. Bus is now mobile hospital and was a ordinary city bus in earlier life and look on articles about this strange vehicles from Romania and its creator ...

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-war-.../32376609.html

Movie with process of creation of this vehicles this bus with all the plates and equipment inside cost 70.000€ even if bus was given for free by polish Town
https://twitter.com/i/status/1622238540674236417

This medical vehicles are created In the memory of Oleg Gubal! who died during transport and his death inspired building of this vehicles for medical teams on frontline.

Here original creator twitter
https://twitter.com/RaduHossu?ref_sr...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

and his words about this bus
Movie with presentation of the bus
https://twitter.com/i/status/1633619573508276225

And here he founding whole project of mobile hospital
https://autorota.com.ua/en/

His vision of mobile front line hospital

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

But "MadMax" were really used by Azov battalion but in ... 2014 during recapturing Mariupol

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/wp-c...riupolTank.jpg

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blog...-for-mariupol/

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Mobile hospital will be ready to action in next week according to its creator look on their last movie on twitter
https://twitter.com/RaduHossu?ref_sr...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Well, it looks like we can say farewell to the AJAX.

The UK Govt. via UK MOD has finally released its update concerning AJAX in regard to where it currently stands in trials and its ability with no further delays in the rest of its trial schedule.

From the article:

"Ajax vehicles to reach Initial Operating Capability between July and December 2025."

"Full Operating Capability will follow between October 2028 and September 2029, when the Army has trained and converted forces to the Ajax platform to deliver Armoured Cavalry capability to the Deep Reconnaissance Strike Brigade and its two Armoured Brigade Combat Teams."

So, a 1 year "SWAG" in FOC again with no further delays in the ongoing trials portion.

A note about the first ref. this is released on the UK Govt. website.

At the TOP note who its from and when you click on them you'll get the same exact article as posted just above. So to be CLEAR
this is from BOTH MOD and the UK Govt. official sites.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/a...delivery-times
https://www.army-technology.com/news...jax-programme/

This I suspect will only be the first of a few more to fall by the wayside but the reporting should make this as no surprise to anyone out here.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Did you know that this mobile bus hospital was targeted in 21 of may in Kiev even if this vehicles are not strict military vehicles but created to save life even of opposite side. You can read more on creators twitter https://twitter.com/RaduHossu?ref_sr...Ctwgr%5Eauthor


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fwq_OF8W...jpg&name=small

And that opens other question that I :doh: and all we together as a community around this game are not in that case a bunch of Useful idiots https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot and is better to stop totally discuss about war in Ukraine and SPMBT until war ends because we don't know how this even openly available information's aggregated together are used by someone who are around us on this forum :( . What is your opinion ??

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

I just read this article on the Russian BMPT Terminator.

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/20535

Is this BMPT Terminator the same thing in game as the BMPT-72 ?

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Yes - however the article (wrongly) says it is based on the armarta

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

https://www.armyrecognition.com/russ...g_vehicle.html

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Well, I continue to follow the AJAX and its variants most notably the ARIES.

There's nothing newer out on the web to include from MOD. There is however another source that's reporting the same as I posted several months back (3/or 4 posts above this one.) concerning FOC etc.

"Alex Chalk, UK minister for defense procurement announced the IOC reset today (Somewhere between July to Dec 2025 per para 1) in an update to parliament and also confirmed that FOC has been scheduled to take place between October 2028 and September 2029."

This will have a profound effect on ARIES as they share a common platform.

"Overall, the British Army will receive up to six Ajax variants, with the vehicle set to become the service’s first fully digitized platform. It will primarily serve in a Intelligence, Surveillance, Target Acquisition and Reconnaissance (ISTAR) role, integrated with a 40mm-stabilized cannon and a primary sight fitted with “imaging technology capability” allowing it to detect and engage targets at “far greater ranges” than legacy platforms, according to GDLS-UK company literature."

The "ISTAR" issue will involve more complex components to fulfill this role. In light of this I will review the "+" positive impact it will have on the FCS and TI/GSR as previously stated. But for now, there is no rush to do this based on the continuity of the narrative as being reported to include MOD from my previous post.
https://breakingdefense.com/2023/03/...-8-years-late/

Also, my weekly ARMY News from the Australian MOD last week confirmed that their BOXERs will besides the LANCE 40mm turret also carry 2 launchers for the SPIKE-LR.

Don't get too excited because they've already reported the BOXER dates and they are very similar to the UK AJAX/ARIES dates.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

I saw something that the UK was maybe looking at a Swedish IFV to possibly replace the mess of the AJAX. The article only side it was one option on the table, nothing was stated that it was going to happen.

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Saw similar myself when AJAX/ARIES where there was serious discussion before the latest issues came up which added more fuel to the fire.

But you reach a point of no return on the R&D end and beyond with the money already invested into the program that it makes more sense to try and fix the issues and hope for the best.

One example of this also involves the UK and I speak of the RN Aircraft Carriers. Due to the cost overruns and technical issues encountered the program was literally to be scrapped. However, after looking into the costs of scrapping those carriers, it was found to be much cheaper to just finish building them.

Going back to AJAX, MOD/Govt. finally "grew a pair" and withheld any further payments due General Dynamics and their subsidiaries (~750 million dollars) until they fixed the problems to an acceptable level. When indeed that occurred, the Motivation (Profit.) by industry managed to come up with solutions and fixes that for now is
why the AJAX/ARIES is moving forward again.

The delay has unfortunately cost us the ability to see them in the game.

Though I'll be cautiously optimistic for now and not call for them to be deleted.

However, another "push" to the right will be needed.

Somebody is going to have my Axx for staying up this late again two days in a row!?! :sec: :ahh:

And life goes on! :p

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Ex-British FV432 APCs join active service into Ukrainian Army and were inducted this month as assigned to the 22nd Special Purpose Battalion of the Ukrainian Separate Presidential Brigade.

These saw modernizations so are armed with the L7 General Purpose Machine Guns (GPMGs) which replaced the L4A4 variant of the Bren light machine gun, per the article.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukra...nian_army.html

Regards,
Pat
:capt: