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Stone Mill March 31st, 2003 03:46 AM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
Thermo-

Don't forget to check the basements for pods and the little shops for singing plants. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Stone Mill March 31st, 2003 04:01 AM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
King Match turn 67:

The vicious Black Hole Riders tracked down a substantial Mercator battle fleet that overextended it's supply line... the defenseless fleet of 25 was massacred.

The Mercator sister fleet quickly retaliated and avenged the atrocity, maintaining a foothold at the enemy front.

Asmala's massive technology edge is rearing it's head... battleships are whipping by against my light cruisers... My ships are very feisty, though.

Gas colonies are now popular in his systems (in addition to rock), but the new colonists boarding the ships have heard rumors of the recent Mercator raids... another Black hole system recently fell, one planet "re-liberated."

Cheeze March 31st, 2003 07:01 AM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
Cheeze vs Thermodyne

The Great Block O'Cheeze, the "Most Blooming Exalted Onion" as it is referred to by a loving populace, had directed that the United Flora Empire must grow beyond its roots and explore the galaxy. Directing seed pods everywhere, they had encountered many great gas giants to colonize, some of the right atmosphere, most not. The peace-loving plants had begun to carefully nurture these new buds of Flora civilization when unexpectedly set upon by a Thermolian warship. On one planet, the Thermolians hovered overhead, blocking the life-giving sun from the passive Flora population, endangering their lives. The shrubbery devised a communications vessel with which to contact this Thermolian raider and persuade it to release the planet from shadow. The Thermolians responded by ramming the ship to ensure its destruction....in fact, the only victorious Flora battles that have followed have occured by surviving the ramming attacks of these lawless and savage Thermolians. In the confrontations between Flora peace vessels and Thermolian savagery have resulted in the untimely pruning of the Flora crew...generally in a hail of green-killing missiles. The Flora ships have on numerous occasions attempted to negotiate a peace by NOT FIRING their weapons at all, in hopes that the Thermolians would see this clear desire for peace. It is clear that the Thermolians only see an opportunity to despoil our gardens and tear up the Flora Empire all the way to its roots!

Stone Mill March 31st, 2003 05:57 PM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
Something has been weighing on me, which I mean to rectify.

I formally apologize to Asmala for a remark I posted a while back. I gave the impression that may have been interpreted as an accusation of cheating.

I was just typing in "train of thought" mode; still reeling from losing a very critical battle. My intent was to express my surprise in his advancement... and actually compliment him. I have been in games before where a player has cheated, so I guess that lurks in the back of my mind.

But it is wrong for me to have even slightly insinuated that against Asmala, who is clearly an excellent and fair player. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

I may be silly and sarcastic, but I also try to be helpful and fun on the Boards. One thing I'd like not to be is an ***. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

I say this right now before our game is unfinished and still in the balance; win or lose.

Asmala, I'm sorry; I hope you accept my apology.

Asmala March 31st, 2003 11:20 PM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Stone Mill:
Something has been weighing on me, which I mean to rectify.

I formally apologize to Asmala for a remark I posted a while back. I gave the impression that may have been interpreted as an accusation of cheating.

I was just typing in "train of thought" mode; still reeling from losing a very critical battle. My intent was to express my surprise in his advancement... and actually compliment him. I have been in games before where a player has cheated, so I guess that lurks in the back of my mind.

But it is wrong for me to have even slightly insinuated that against Asmala, who is clearly an excellent and fair player. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

I may be silly and sarcastic, but I also try to be helpful and fun on the Boards. One thing I'd like not to be is an ***. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

I say this right now before our game is unfinished and still in the balance; win or lose.

Asmala, I'm sorry; I hope you accept my apology.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Of course I accept your apology. I have tried to be as fair as possible so you can't believe how good that makes me feel.

About that critical battle... after that battle I thought I'll win the match. I was so sure about it that I even thought what kind of crownd I'll add to my picture... Well, the higher your are the harder is the fall :-) Stone Mill really dropped me to the ground and I was and I'm still amazed, he's clearly the best player against I have ever played. He's the king. Asmala bows http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

I'm also very thankful to Slynky about his post. As he said my intentions wasn't flaunt with my technology, I just tried to explain why my ships were so overpowering. Unluckily the situation has evened out http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Cheeze April 1st, 2003 01:07 AM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Stone Mill:
Thermo-

Don't forget to check the basements for pods and the little shops for singing plants. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">SSSSHHHHH!!! One species' potted planet is another's spy. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Slynky April 1st, 2003 02:02 AM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Stone Mill:
Thermo-

Don't forget to check the basements for pods and the little shops for singing plants. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Good one, Stone, good one!

(beware of meteor showers, too)

Slynky April 1st, 2003 02:07 AM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Stone Mill:
King Match turn 67:

Asmala's massive technology edge is rearing it's head... battleships are whipping by against my light cruisers... My ships are very feisty, though.

Gas colonies are now popular in his systems (in addition to rock), but the new colonists boarding the ships have heard rumors of the recent Mercator raids... another Black hole system recently fell, one planet "re-liberated."

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">One thing for sure, if I were in your position, I'd be croaked by now! Sounds like it's a helluva game by any standards.

Slynky April 1st, 2003 02:27 AM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Cheeze:
Cheeze vs Thermodyne

The Great Block O'Cheeze, the "Most Blooming Exalted Onion" as it is referred to by a loving populace, had directed that the United Flora Empire must grow beyond its roots and explore the galaxy. Directing seed pods everywhere, they had encountered many great gas giants to colonize, some of the right atmosphere, most not. The peace-loving plants had begun to carefully nurture these new buds of Flora civilization when unexpectedly set upon by a Thermolian warship. On one planet, the Thermolians hovered overhead, blocking the life-giving sun from the passive Flora population, endangering their lives. The shrubbery devised a communications vessel with which to contact this Thermolian raider and persuade it to release the planet from shadow. The Thermolians responded by ramming the ship to ensure its destruction....in fact, the only victorious Flora battles that have followed have occured by surviving the ramming attacks of these lawless and savage Thermolians. In the confrontations between Flora peace vessels and Thermolian savagery have resulted in the untimely pruning of the Flora crew...generally in a hail of green-killing missiles. The Flora ships have on numerous occasions attempted to negotiate a peace by NOT FIRING their weapons at all, in hopes that the Thermolians would see this clear desire for peace. It is clear that the Thermolians only see an opportunity to despoil our gardens and tear up the Flora Empire all the way to its roots!

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, a masterful tale if ever I heard one. You know, Bud, if peaceful resolutions don't sprout, you can always pull out your big puns...errrr, guns and make them grown...errrr, (sorry), groan till (get it? till) their brains turn to vegetables. Of course, yew...errrr, you may have Ortho...errrr, other plants...errrr, I mean plans of your own that may lead to the "Great Harvest".

(sorry, the "Avacado of Despair" made me do it)

tesco samoa April 1st, 2003 02:27 AM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
advance gandaph...

and put me at the bottom..

next game i want to play in a map where the lay out is even

Slynky April 1st, 2003 02:37 AM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
(not that my game is of any interest...)

Update:

Was awakened by the sound of an email. It was a turn !

So, I did it and went back to sleep.

Game started 14 days ago. Currently at Game Date 2401.1.

(yawn....)

Gandalph April 1st, 2003 06:23 AM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
Tesco got a bad start on this one and I was able to box him in early. He broke through with a surprise fleet of armed carriers and fighters which caught me off guard, but with the galaxy at my disposal, it did not take long to counter.

Good game Tesco, you are a good player to have Lasted as long as you did under the circumstances.

Nodachi April 1st, 2003 03:10 PM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by geoschmo
Although, how do you define "even"?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Introducing Nodachi's new KOTH map making service! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif I'll start with a small FQM paradise and tailor it to your hearts desire.

Drop me a line and I'll see what I can do to help.

DavidG April 1st, 2003 04:14 PM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
advance gandaph...

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Excellent. Looks like it's time for a rematch. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Kazarp

Gandalph April 1st, 2003 05:13 PM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by DavidG:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by tesco samoa:
advance gandaph...

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Excellent. Looks like it's time for a rematch. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Kazarp
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">A rematch yes, but not with the same Gandalph. Much has been learned since Last we met.

DavidG April 1st, 2003 05:24 PM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gandalph:
A rematch yes, but not with the same Gandalph. Much has been learned since Last we met.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">hehe ditto. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

geoschmo April 1st, 2003 05:38 PM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
Kazarp and Gandalph, as you surmised you are matched next. If you two are on it to get started then be my guest and one of you set it up as game owner. If you need a third party I will get it this evening. I am a bit busy at work today.

Geoschmo

DavidG April 1st, 2003 05:59 PM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Kazarp and Gandalph, as you surmised you are matched next. If you two are on it to get started then be my guest and one of you set it up as game owner. If you need a third party I will get it this evening. I am a bit busy at work today.

Geoschmo

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thats soon enough for me since I too am at work. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif (although have trouble getting started today. )

Gandalph April 1st, 2003 07:29 PM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
Well, I guess we all have other lives as I am also at work and would not even get around to it til after 6pm PST.

DavidG - We could begin email correspondance re: game setup.

Krsqk April 1st, 2003 07:32 PM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
I guess that puts me playing...tesco?...at the bottom? Unless there was already someone else waiting for an opponent.

I have no objections to playing on an "even" map. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

geoschmo April 1st, 2003 07:41 PM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
I'll have to check the bottom when I get home. I may have someone waiting that I haven't updated the page with. Not sure what the matches there will be.

Geoschmo

geoschmo April 2nd, 2003 02:11 AM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
advance gandaph...

and put me at the bottom..

next game i want to play in a map where the lay out is even

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You will need to talk to your next opponent about that. Although I doubt it will be that hard a sell. Nobody wants to feel their win was because of the other guy getting a bad break. Although, how do you define "even"? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Geoschmo

Stone Mill April 2nd, 2003 06:44 PM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Asmala:

Of course I accept your apology. I have tried to be as fair as possible so you can't believe how good that makes me feel.

About that critical battle... after that battle I thought I'll win the match. I was so sure about it that I even thought what kind of crownd I'll add to my picture... Well, the higher your are the harder is the fall :-) Stone Mill really dropped me to the ground and I was and I'm still amazed, he's clearly the best player against I have ever played. He's the king. Asmala bows

I'm also very thankful to Slynky about his post. As he said my intentions wasn't flaunt with my technology, I just tried to explain why my ships were so overpowering. Unluckily the situation has evened out

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I just have to thank you for your kind praise. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif You are very cool. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif I have to tell you now that the game has played out from that point- that I've never seen a player so organized, deliberate, and advanced with tech research in a 1-1 game At that point, I almost fell over when I saw what your fleet had... then Gas Colonization... now dreads.

I had to react quickly- I'm hoping my strat will take away that advantage... but we'll see. I can't wait for the debrief on this one.

Nodachi April 3rd, 2003 03:34 PM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
Yes! The streak continues! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Geo, please elevate the outstanding Zarix.

Even though I held first place for a good chunk of the game Zarix changed tactics and caught me flatfooted. Another fun game! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

geoschmo April 3rd, 2003 03:58 PM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
So what do you think guys? DO I need to add another level to the hill? Looks like we are starting to get a bit of a backlog at the top. Got two players waiting after the Asmala/Stonemill game finishes.

Geoschmo

Zarix April 3rd, 2003 05:18 PM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
Nodachi, thanks for the game. I wonder who will be my next opponent.

I think adding one more level to the hill is a good idea. The top is getting too crowded. I guess the new level would be created under the current bottom level?

Ragnarok April 3rd, 2003 06:49 PM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
Yeah, I'd say add another level to the hill. Although this will make it more challenging to make it to the top, it will slow down the back up towards the top that we have right now.

Thermodyne April 3rd, 2003 07:15 PM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
Thermolia has suffered two invasions by the Evil weeds in the Last few cycles. In the first attack
in the north, the Weeds overran a frontier defense force, but have not advanced into Thermolian space. They have probed, but these have been destroyed by units of the Thermolian Home Fleet. It had been hoped that this invasion could be dealt with on ground that was favorable to Thermolia, but this does not seem to be the case.

In the second Invasion, a fleet of Thistle Class DD’s attacked a Thermolian border defense force in the central region. This force of 1 old DD and two ancient FF’s had recently been reinforced by four light cruisers from the Home Fleet. One of the ships was a new heavy gunned unit. In a hard fought fight, the Evil weeds were utterly decimated. With no loss of Thermolian units, the mass wave attack of the Weeds was turned back with 100% casualties. Our new weedkilling beams have proven to be most effective.

In the south, a condition of stalemate still exists. The lines are intermingled, and no offensive activities are expected any time soon.

[ April 03, 2003, 17:16: Message edited by: Thermodyne ]

Stone Mill April 3rd, 2003 09:47 PM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
Sounds like Cheeze better research more levels in "Miracle Grow."

Sorry about the finish up... I think the differences in time zones did not help our progress... but we have managed 2-3 turns a day, more on weekends. Also, my April weekends will now be spent at Home Depot, now that I have just closed on a house purchase. Whoo-hoo http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

This one may be over soon, depending on what Asmala has turtled up in his interior defense. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif The Mercators blitzed two more systems, trying to clamp down the vice...

Slynky April 5th, 2003 06:29 AM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by geoschmo:
So what do you think guys? DO I need to add another level to the hill? Looks like we are starting to get a bit of a backlog at the top. Got two players waiting after the Asmala/Stonemill game finishes.

Geoschmo

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Too much math for me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif but it seems like (without thinking about it much) that since the bottom of the hill has positions for 8 games, and the next higher level has positions for 6 games, the level above it should have room for 4 games... or at least 3 games. Then, there wouldn't be a need for a "ladder-looking" thing listing 3 single contenders in a row.

Like I said, though, too much math for me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif .

Thermodyne April 5th, 2003 05:33 PM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
An expeditionary force from the Thermolian Home Fleet entered Weed controlled space this
day. And while the warp point was heavily infested with various types of weeds, the
outnumbered Thermolians carried the day. Weed forces consisted of 42 ships, 21 cruisers, 17
destroyers, two escorts and two transports. These were assaulted by 25 Thermolian
combatants, 4 decoys and various support ships. One weed ship escaped, and 9 Thermolian
warships were destroyed including the four decoys. Never has so much ordnance hit so little. Much space was holed by DP projectiles, while Thermolian beams wilted their cannons. The
superior long range gunnery of the Thermolian fleet was very much in evidence. After absorbing
the first volley from the Evil Weed Fleet, the Thermolians proceeded to remove the infestation.
After the battle, many Thermolian ships were decorated for superior valor in the face of a much
stronger enemy.

Cheeze April 6th, 2003 02:15 AM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
The combination of the unpredictability of ship combat tactics and overly-obvious advantages produced an devastating defeat for the United Flora Empire. The despicable Thermolians launched an attack into Flora space, meeting a gathering of Flora ships that were in photosynthesis mode. Thermolian ships were equipped with superior weaponry, and generally all light cruisers, where the Flora were a mix of destroyers and light cruisers along with some escorts. Despite their position to await an incursion, the Flora ships were positioned about as far from the Thermolians as could be imagined for two large fleets at one warp point. The ship formation apparently was designed to minimize any actual shooting at enemy ships, and in spite of orders to close, Flora captains preferred to minimize their already-slight chances to hit by moving as far as possible from Thermolian ships, in order to present themselves as easy targets later. Since the Thermolians have a phenomenal natural advantage in combat, the additional incompetence of the Flora command made a predictable result even less damaging to the Thermolian barbarians. Far from "bravey in the face of a superior enemy", the Thermolians had the advantage in firepower, movement, accuracy and evasion.

One Flora ship, and only one, showed courage and intelligence in the entire battle. Somehow separated from the collective stupidity of the rest of the plants, one ship managed to manuever around the Thermolian fiends and attacked the minesweepers, severely damaging and destroying a number of them. Depending on future Thermolian movements, their victorious fleet should meet a slow yet steady diminishing death upon finding the floating Flora "fire blossoms".

[ April 06, 2003, 06:48: Message edited by: Cheeze ]

Slynky April 6th, 2003 02:32 AM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
Whew! Awesome battle! (I don't see how you guys whip up so many ships)

Cheeze April 6th, 2003 07:46 AM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
The vile Thermolians are hardy industrialists, and we gentle and peace-loving Flora grow ours with organic technology....it helps!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

We lost the first battle of Neckron...and pretty much every other battle...but perhaps it won't be the Last...and the Flora Empire has not yet lost the war!!!!

[ April 06, 2003, 06:47: Message edited by: Cheeze ]

Asmala April 6th, 2003 12:33 PM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
At the turn 2408.0 the Black Hole Riders Empire officially surrendered to the mighty Mergator Orbis.

The arrogant upstart noticed that he has bit off more than he can chew, the King was too good for him. In spite of the combat victory at the beginning of the game the King was able to produce awesome fleet of sixty top trained ships. The poor Black Hole Riders Empire had nothing which could have stopped that fleet.

1FSTCAT it's now your turn, I tried and failed. Good luck to both of you two.

I'd like to start scramble again towards the top of the hill. If the KOTH page is up to date there isn't a free opponent for me so I'm waiting...

Stone Mill April 6th, 2003 02:23 PM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
The current sometimes too-full-of himself King is weary but grateful to Asmala for an excellent match. Asmala proved to be a frightening opponent, leaving the Mercator people with many scars. His opening tactics against me have really made me think... especially his research pattern- it is almost pristine for how he plays out his strategy. And he did it with a crappy start!

Highlights:
His early harassment was great- he sufficiently tied me up from further expansion, and claimed all but one border system, where we coexisted. He even (for the first time in my KOTH) conquered my population and used my breathers! I have never been able to pull this off. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

His use of fighters/carriers was stunning and deliberate. DUCs can't hit fighters, and he made sure he emphasized that point in-game.

Asmala torched my fully trained invasion fleet- and responed with a devastating counter attack. His tech edge was so vast; it seemed like it was all over. He ripped through about 5 systems, but by sheer luck...
-- if he would have made a right turn at Alburquerque, (thanks Bugs Bunny http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ) he would have found my home system and it could have been BIG trouble.
-- My people were one turn away from riot status when I caught his fleet. One more loss surely would have locked up my production. Wshew. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif
-- The Riders only madaged to torch one critical resource planet. He killed a ton of research, but I was able to pay maintence. He chose to bypass my frontal systems, which had my critical assets. These systems, were, of course, heavily defended. I had just managed a massive retrofit to compete with his ships. But if he caught me while repairing... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif
-- My economy was hanging in the balance to allow me to add the latest components through retrofits. I barely had enough reserves in storage...
-- My counterattack was brutal; he had bigger ships, but sheer numbers of Mercator high-tech designs won the day. I hit him concurrently from many different directions to discourage force concentration. I ensured to keep him on the defensive, although, he made some Last minute strikes to test me, including a cloaked strike against my interior, which I'll never know how it got through?!? Almost looked like a random event.
-- I ensured that I whittled away at his economy while tightening the vice. I kept improving my economy so I could field more ships.
-- Aslama's choice of mid-late research was diverted into a few non-critical areas: Gas Giant, Dreadnaughts, etc. In my experience, you really should only do this when you are pretty sure your opponent can't beat your front line security. I think my retaliation surprised him a bit- I managed to retrofit those DUC V ships with PPBs.
-- I am an economic player, and although Asmala threw me many curveballs, I held to the fundamentals: strong economy (minerals, rads) and combat techs. Asmala went very heavy on research. For his type of play; he has a chance of exploiting his tech edge throughout the game if you are not seasoned. I did my best to use numbers against size in the long run.

So many great thank-yous to Asmala, who is awesome. A challenge match at the top worthy of many legends. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif My favorite match to-date!

[ April 06, 2003, 13:28: Message edited by: Stone Mill ]

Slick April 6th, 2003 06:12 PM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
Explain please:

Quote:

Originally posted by Stone Mill:
DUCs can't hit fighters, and he made sure he emphasized that point in-game.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I checked components.txt and they can target fighters. Are you saying that [generally] DUC's can't hit fighters because of range? or due to defensive bonuses? or what? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

I love reading these "wrap ups". I sure sounds like it will be a long time before I should join such a tournament. Great game!

Slick.

Slynky April 6th, 2003 07:07 PM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
THE KING MATCH: Stone Mill -vs- Asmala

Wow! Really interesting wrap-up!

One thing seems to more and more certain...I'm not King material. I suppose any advances I make up the hill will be due to a lucky spread of planets and not skill.

Congrats to both of you for completing the game on a good note, too! THAT says a lot about your character.

Asmala April 6th, 2003 08:07 PM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Stone Mill:
He even (for the first time in my KOTH) conquered my population and used my breathers! I have never been able to pull this off. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This had also its disadvantage: when I lost few planets all of my planets with Mercator people started rioting.

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Asmala torched my fully trained invasion fleet- and responed with a devastating counter attack. His tech edge was so vast; it seemed like it was all over. He ripped through about 5 systems, but by sheer luck...
-- if he would have made a right turn at Alburquerque, (thanks Bugs Bunny http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ) he would have found my home system and it could have been BIG trouble.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yep, this game could have went quite different way if I had chosen the right warp point.

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I ensured to keep him on the defensive, although, he made some Last minute strikes to test me, including a cloaked strike against my interior, which I'll never know how it got through?!? Almost looked like a random event.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">How it got through? Well, I think it got through because the ships were cloaked so you didn't see them http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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-- Aslama's choice of mid-late research was diverted into a few non-critical areas: Gas Giant, Dreadnaughts, etc. In my experience, you really should only do this when you are pretty sure your opponent can't beat your front line security. I think my retaliation surprised him a bit- I managed to retrofit those DUC V ships with PPBs.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You're right Stone, your retaliation really surprised me. I think the inordinate concentration to the research was the main reason why I lost the game. I should have been concentrated less at the research. It's no point have dreadnought tech when I have only a few ships. I have heard that one learns best from the losses and that's true: I won't do that mistake again (or at least I'll try to avoid it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

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So many great thank-yous to Asmala, who is awesome. A challenge match at the top worthy of many legends. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif My favorite match to-date!

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks, that's balsam to my wounds http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

DavidG April 6th, 2003 11:29 PM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
OK now that that lovey dovey "your so good, no you are" King match is over someone get up there and kick that kings butt. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif I miss that old arogent SOB king that put the peasants in their place. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

primitive April 7th, 2003 01:17 AM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
The old king retains the task of keeping the crown nice.
Do not get lax in your duties Stone Mill, for the primitive one will not be happy if he finds only the tiniest spot on the crown when he comes for it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Congrats to both players for a well fought and exiting game.

Hope the tradition of updates on the current King match continues.

Slynky April 7th, 2003 03:44 AM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
Slynky -vs- Dreico (21 days, 21 turns)

Still no sign of Dreiko. Funny, my game with Primitive placed me right beside him. Now, I can't even FIND my opponent, or very many good planets. Somehow, managing to stay in 1st for several turns now, though.

(yeah, I know...yawn).

Ragnarok April 7th, 2003 04:02 AM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
I know the feeling of a bad start. In my game with Rambie I had a horrible start. Lots of empty systems around me, and in the systems where there were planets there was hardly any good planets or ones that I coule colonize. But once I met rambie in game we thought it would be make things interesting to trade colony techs, ice for rock. That helped out a little bit not much though. I only have to hold off 4 choke points into my empire, (that I know of) and I only lost 1st place for about 3 turns there. But rankings never mean anything. Well, most of the time. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
Soon the battles will begin. Soon the cries of mercy shall be heard.

Turn 64 for us right now, btw.

Slynky April 7th, 2003 05:00 PM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
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Originally posted by Ragnarok:
I know the feeling of a bad start. In my game with Rambie I had a horrible start. Lots of empty systems around me, and in the systems where there were planets there was hardly any good planets or ones that I coule colonize. But once I met rambie in game we thought it would be make things interesting to trade colony techs, ice for rock.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, I must say that is an interesting twist. Not to mention someone must have been in the lead who agreed to a trade that could possibly work against him.

Slick April 7th, 2003 05:08 PM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
(Bumping my question)
Explain please:

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Originally posted by Stone Mill:
DUCs can't hit fighters, and he made sure he emphasized that point in-game.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I checked components.txt and they can target fighters. Are you saying that [generally] DUC's can't hit fighters because of range? or due to defensive bonuses? or what? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

I love reading these "wrap ups". I sure sounds like it will be a long time before I should join such a tournament. Great game!

Slick.

Ragnarok April 7th, 2003 06:27 PM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
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Originally posted by Slynky:
Well, I must say that is an interesting twist. Not to mention someone must have been in the lead who agreed to a trade that could possibly work against him.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yup, it was a very interesting twist indeed. I almost didn't do it because I thought since I had the rock tech that it would give him a slight advantage in the trade since there are usually more rock planets on a map. But I think it has been pretty fair so far. We'll see in the end eh? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

geoschmo April 7th, 2003 07:15 PM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
Gozguy v Geoschmo, 2407.5

Things have taken an interesting turn of late. After facing each other accross warp point between our home systems Goz has decided to flank my fleet and make a play for my homesystem. Not sure if he figured I would fall back to defend it, but I am not going to do it. I am going full speed ahead and going to do as much damage as I can to his homesystem at the same time. We both have some defenses in place, although it's unclear how much effect they will have on the attacking fleets. Chances are good that we will both lose our home systems. If only one of us does the game will likely be over soon. If both of us do we may be looking at MAD in action and a long period of rebuilding for both of us before we can go heavily on the attack again.

Geoschmo

Slynky April 7th, 2003 08:02 PM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
At 75 turns, I wouldn't think the loss of a homeworld would be such a crises. Now, getting deep in someone's territory with a viable fleet, that's a different story.

(but who am I to comment such things http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif )

geoschmo April 7th, 2003 09:44 PM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
No, losing the homeworld itself probably wont be such a problem. But if I manage to get his whole home system he's gonna be hurting a bit I think. He's got four planets there of the correct atmosphere beside his home planet. Likely they were all colonized early and are well developed. Of course that could also mean great gobs of defenses to contend with. Guess I'll find out soon enough.

Geoschmo

Suicide Junkie April 7th, 2003 09:55 PM

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 
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Originally posted by Slick:
(Bumping my question)
Explain please:

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Stone Mill:
DUCs can't hit fighters, and he made sure he emphasized that point in-game.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I checked components.txt and they can target fighters. Are you saying that [generally] DUC's can't hit fighters because of range? or due to defensive bonuses? or what? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Defensive bonuses, pretty much. Those fighters are tiny, and without the 50% attack bonus provided by those dedicated PD weapons, you're looking at a pretty sad hitrate.


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