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Ygorl:

I am soooo powerful now... I don't even know what you're talking about. Did you foolishly send your Sidhe Lord into my lands? Was that the tiny fizzy sound I thought I heard?

BTW, I will be away Sunday through Tuesday. So, if you can postpone the hosting until late, that would be nice. I will be back late Tuesday night (Boston time).

Lord Pasha

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We in Mictlan vigorously dispute Ygorl's interpretation of Article 8 of the Charter. It is clear that this language is intended to allow a Wyrm to escape its private agreements and deals with a rogue Wyrm. Proposition 39 is, as we understood at the time, a far-reaching law which supercedes many of the detailed rules in the Charter. It is clear that a Wyrm must be a member of the council at the time of a vote, but since 39 does not explicitly alter a Wyrm's state upon roguehood, the most natural interpreation is that it does not.

Ygorl is correct that when we attack Man (we have merely notified Ygorl privately that we intend to attack him at some point in the future), Mictlan shall then also be a valid target for PP39 Wyrms.

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unless you get a prop passed prior to attacking to nullify 39

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We agree with our neighbor Apep; the bindings dissolved by roguehood are agreements made within the law, not obligations under the law itself. Proposition 39 is, as we see it, part of the law, and thus its terms are not abrogated by roguehood.

Jacques of Marignon
still very holy but also very sleepy; perhaps widespread war will keep us awake

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That interpretation makes going rogue almost meaningless. If that's the game y'all want, fine. But it's not the game we started.

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going rogue clearly means that you have neither the protections, not the privileges of the council, or any of its propositions.

it is essential ex-communication

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Pasha, here's what I meant... One of my Sidhe Lords vanished. Without a trace. They do that sometimes, it's in their nature I suppose, but this guy was gone for a month or more. Unheard of. Then, next thing I know, my scouts bring me word that they've discovered and killed a sneaking Ulmish spy in my capital. Here's the strange thing, though... That "Ulmish spy" was a wolf, with the exact same name as my vanished Lord, with the exact same magical powers, and (if I remember correctly, which I may not) with the exact same magic items even! In light of the revelation of this new power of yours, I am willing to do nearly anything to prevent your ire from pointing my way.
I'll also wait to host until I get your turn. If it's late Tuesday, that might mean Wednesday, though...

As always, if anyone needs things slowed down, or our delays cause you problems in getting the next turn in on time, let me know.


And, it looks like we've got some disagreement on the interpretation of the law here... Maybe I'll have to put up a proposition! How exciting!

edit: The proposition is now up. Read, enjoy, and vote!

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What a horde! I've never *seen* so many demons and devils!
Apep is rogue, if my new proposition passes; if not, he's open to attack by everyone under Prop. 39, but keeps his council vote.

I guess if he actually were rogue, he wouldn't get to vote on 39, but that seems cheesy to me.

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You like it, you really like it! I've been hording those demons and devils for a long time now...

As for your proposition, I will have something more to say on that later today.

-Apep, Horder of Hordes

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I read the propr, and nowhere in it does it say that pasha is rogue. It only deals with what it means to be rogue...

explain what you mean.