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I really like my position and whatnot, but since some people have been inadvertently staling and whatnot, I'd be amenable to a restart. It sure beats the heck out of people getting annoyed and going AI, and other people not even getting the chance to play.

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Well. I'm going AI. That was fast. I thought a bless would help, but unfortunately I practiced it against level 5 indies and level 7 made them /just that/ much harder to kill. Then I got run over by Helheim, or Vanheim. I can never tell the difference.

Oh well.

Jazzepi

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Strict,

I find that an unworthy imputation. You want a restart, because I'm invading your capitol. Rather than voting against it, I merely said if a majority of people who voted wanted a restart, we would restart.

I didn't even vote - so for you to make the imputation that I can't count votes fairly - is really below the belt-especially since its so easy to check: Zen, secretperson and klag voted against restarting.

The point of all of this is to have fun - most of us are going to lose - but hopefully we can put up a good fight, learn something, make some friends and win or lose have a good time.

As for the the strength of the independents, theres nothing I can say other than when I started the game, the one thing I knew I wanted was a game against tougher independents, because I find expansion with an awake pretender - which is what I was going to have - too easy. And the strength of the independents was announced as 7 from the very beginning.

Anyway, as a host, I want the players to have fun. And no position or start is going to be perfect. I regret that the start was not flawless. I wish it were - or that there was a perfect way to resolve issues. But to be fair to the players that are doing well and that are doing well, as long as they want to continue the game, then I will continue hosting.

Best to all.

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Jazzepi,

Sorry about the early rush... that is Helheim's schtick, after all. Nevertheless, I can understand your frustration... I've never played Hel in MP before, but they do tend to be played as a one-trick pony.

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Yes I guess if I had a bad start Id vote for redo--so I vote for no redo http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Well, my capital PD and army wasn't enough to prevent Caelum from getting sieged by Niefelheim. So now that I can't recruit anything and I don't have troops left(at least in any meaningful amount), I'm going to go AI. GG guys.

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Actually I believe the level 7 independents did me in more than anything else. The sacreds I was using were great at taking on level 5s by themselves in groups of 5 or so, but you had much much better sacreds, that were obviously cheaper to produce, and I was taking turmoil/luck. That makes an early rush even easier if I don't get a big gold event before hand. I couldn't mow through the level 7 ones as quickly as you could because of your better blessed units.

Anyways, drawing the "I'm next to the best bless rush nation in the game" card sucks, but that's the way it goes. This is actually the first time it's ever happened to me.

I probably just should have left the game when I saw that the independents had been changed from no announcement on their level to level 7. I feel that stronger independents just screw nations taking sloth, or a rainbow pretender even more in the early game because its so difficult to expand.

Jazzepi

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While I agree with you about the independents at level 7 being perhaps a bad idea (I find it tends to harm the non-rush nations the most, making rush even more frustrating to deal with) I actually recall our host mentioning the level 7 independents, as I specifically designed my strategy around that level. But I don't remember when this was mentioned.

Although I didn't vote to begin with, I too am of the opinion that we should continue as is... it is easy enough to begin a separate game if folks are that upset, but many people seem to be getting their turns in without too many problems.

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I need an extention for 24 hours if the game hasn't hosted yet!! Else I need an extention tomorrow I think.

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The front post, that states independents are at 7, was last edited over 5 days ago. So, I'm inclined to think it was intentional, not spur of the moment.

I find it funny, that the person who finds it funny that the "host who won't restart has said he's having his best start ever", is the person who the host with the best start ever is killing. If that isn't irony, I don't know what is. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif