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DRG March 14th, 2022 12:50 PM

Re: Ukraine 2021(?)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QW7Nfg4d9I
Quote:

Russia's latest warning to the West: Russia to target Western arms supply?

Wdll March 14th, 2022 01:03 PM

Re: Ukraine 2021(?)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DRG (Post 851803)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QW7Nfg4d9I
Quote:

Russia's latest warning to the West: Russia to target Western arms supply?

I assume they are talking about hitting such convoys while inside Ukraine. Anything else would be suicidal.

DRG March 14th, 2022 01:24 PM

Re: Ukraine 2021(?)
 
Yes, it would be. Hitting a convoy inside the borders of a NATO nation would escalate this in ways we can only imagine very quickly.

OTOH once they cross the border into Ukraine they are fair targets so. "convoys" of trucks should be "off the table"... individual trucks moving at night will probably be the New Normal

Though the way this has been going they are more likely to hit an aid convoy of diapers and formula instead of a weapons convoy

DRG March 14th, 2022 01:51 PM

Re: Ukraine 2021(?)
 
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/...tins-kill-list


in part

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“NATO doesn’t want to create World War Three, but World War Three is on already. Do you think if Russia uses nuclear weapons the radiation will care who has a NATO passport or not? Do you think there will only be 2.5 million refugees leaving Ukraine? There will be many times more and it will be Europe’s problem. Do you think Putin will stop in Ukraine? He wants Poland, Ukraine and the Baltics at least.”

Karagin March 14th, 2022 02:48 PM

Re: Ukraine 2021(?)
 
The convoys enter at their own risk. Not saying the Russian won't attack them, but if you are entering a country in the middle of a war, it's a risk you run.

wulfir March 14th, 2022 04:32 PM

Re: Ukraine 2021(?)
 
Russia seems to struggle with night fighting. Probably do not have much in the way of dependable long range recon assets either. IIRC in Syria it took them something like 24 hours to mount an airstrike on a target - if the target was not static and had moved, yeah it became a problem.

Will they even be able to detect a convoy in the first place?

carp March 14th, 2022 05:15 PM

Re: Ukraine 2021(?)
 
Maybe people don't realize how far ahead of the curve the development team of Win SPMBT were/are by displaying the ascendancy of infantry over armor. The most recent fracas in Ukraine has mirrored the capabilities incredibly well. I play by myself, and mostly create Assault/Defend scenarios, or Advance defend. The defensive side rarely gets much heavy armor. Instead I rely on infantry to do the job. This reflects well what has happened during the past three weeks. So I have to express kudos for that level of detail. It really seems more of reality reflecting the game than the game reflecting vice versa.

I think the rise was displayed very well during the Yom Kippur War kit, but then Desert Storm and Iraq II kind of put the kabosh on what would really happen when armor is faced with a committed infantry.

I have to make my Assault scenarios even more unbalanced thn the 3/1 point sread because Defense is now almost an arcade setting. I know its a bit dicier than that in Ukraine, however, I also know that tanks are far more visible to ACAV cameras than are infantry squads in cover. It helps, too, that the AI is at least as competent as the Russian command.

Wdll March 14th, 2022 06:03 PM

Re: Ukraine 2021(?)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by carp (Post 851809)
Maybe people don't realize how far ahead of the curve the development team of Win SPMBT were/are by displaying the ascendancy of infantry over armor. The most recent fracas in Ukraine has mirrored the capabilities incredibly well. I play by myself, and mostly create Assault/Defend scenarios, or Advance defend. The defensive side rarely gets much heavy armor. Instead I rely on infantry to do the job. This reflects well what has happened during the past three weeks. So I have to express kudos for that level of detail. It really seems more of reality reflecting the game than the game reflecting vice versa.

I think the rise was displayed very well during the Yom Kippur War kit, but then Desert Storm and Iraq II kind of put the kabosh on what would really happen when armor is faced with a committed infantry.

I have to make my Assault scenarios even more unbalanced thn the 3/1 point sread because Defense is now almost an arcade setting. I know its a bit dicier than that in Ukraine, however, I also know that tanks are far more visible to ACAV cameras than are infantry squads in cover. It helps, too, that the AI is at least as competent as the Russian command.

Don't you think that's a bit rude? I don't think the A.I in this game is even close to the Russian command. Russian command would wish to be as good. As I see it they are closer to the easy difficulty setting of the AI in the game Command and Conquer Red Alert. And that's being polite.

blazejos March 14th, 2022 07:20 PM

Re: Ukraine 2021(?)
 
Real street battle footage Ukr BTR-4 vs Rus BMP-1

https://twitter.com/aldin_ww/status/...52707251322885

DRG March 14th, 2022 07:29 PM

Re: Ukraine 2021(?)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blazejos (Post 851811)
Real street battle footage Ukr BTR-4 vs Rus BMP-1

That's what Wdll posted earlier today ( 129 )


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