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why thank you dear Gryphin - compliments from you are so unexpected.

I still will not kiss you

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Hmm, since I can't get a reaction in the "PBW Ethics" thread, I'll repost myself here:
"I guess to me, the goal is to play the best game I can. I don't really care if I win or lose. My victory conditions in every game I have played in the past 2 decades has been: "To Have Phun" I look forward to shreading GrowTigga him with my torps. If he surrenders to Mac and his GTW Crusiers, well, "It Suc**s to be me".
Ethics? That is the other guys problem. He has to look himself in the mirror when he shaves. Who does he see? Is he proud of his core values and does he live up to them?"

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GT< you won't kiss me? Since it would be non-consensual I'd say that descision is a definate plus for your surival chances.

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for your 4 player game I will set it up if you want . Tell me what you want and what to call it.

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Sorry to be somewhat silent in the past days but RL got to me. I have taken my shotgun, visited our beloved game and had a long talk about screwing up passwords and mixing our data files. Rest in peace. We now have to wait a second for the PBW crew to get the corpse under GTs garage (at least it isn't alone there in the dark...) so I can set up a new game under the same name. Meanwhile all of you should resent their emp files to me so we can start to rumble on the weekend.

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I think tesco should be included in the 4man, so should be 5 man..

Mephisto, do you want them sent to the PBW or to your email address??

just some ideas mac

[ May 21, 2002, 21:49: Message edited by: mac5732 ]

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EMail. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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I'm ready for what ever combinaiton of Galatic Bash you guys want.

Maybe I should stand in for you in the Karati contest. I do not use my eyes very much when I compete physicaly. It is something else. I tend to use a different combinaiton of senses. You would hae to ask the people who compete against me and those watching.

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Hey guys, check out the old 'Have you got your rebate yet' thread.

I do believe Phoenix D and Taz-In-Space are making some offensive remarks about our witty banter!

I guess Phoenix D is still upset about my 'have problem getting girls' remark and I guess Taz is upset that Hanna Barbera featured him in a dodgy revamp which had him being repeatedly chased by a pair of anthropomorphic personifications of crocodilia

Some people eh?

Actually guys, I agree that Tesco Samoa should be included in our game as he is after all one of the original protagonists of the G&G thread (Tesco, apologies for missing you off the list but you just are not as rude as Gryphin or Saxon or as knackered as Mac and you have a cute cousin)

This takes us to 5 and this is practically the same as the Galactic Bash anyhow (with Tesco's mate and Slapshot) so why dont we just rerun that?

PS Gryphin - me kissing you would not be consensual in any which way or form. Please will you stop chasing me, I am just not that sort of chap

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What sort of chap am I????

daft question, just arrange 'good looking, stylish, elegant, intelligent, sophisticated, intellectual, erudite, handsome, fashionable, multilingual, learned, humble, modest, well-read, companiable, amiable and sexy" in any order you want

Sums me up quite nicely I feel.

OK, so this game is going to be 2 Americans, 2 Canadians and 1 Englishman. We need more Europeans to even the balance and to give the game some much needed class.. I can only do so much

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GTO, you forgot to include:
Computer Illiterate and Modest.

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Gryphin, puts your specs old bean - "modest" is right there

...as for computer illiterate, well, I tend to send most of my time in the healthy fresh air or reading books... after all, I find young ladies far more attracted to my learned discourses rather than whether or not I know how to download MP3 files or whatever

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GTO: Tsk, Tsk, I did see it. Clearly you failed to pick up on the subtle irony and wry humor.
I'm sure mac and the other intelligent patrons of the Cantinna will reconize it.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm a European, and I'm dead classy, too. Can I play?

*Dogscoff pauses for a quick slobber and a scratch before rolling in some cow dung and attempting to lick his own genetalia...

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Gosh, are you sure about that? I suspect Mac, Saxon and Tesco all think 'irony' is something a bit like 'zincy' or 'steely' or something else metallic

Modesty is one of my more endearing qualities

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I'm a European, and I'm dead classy, too. Can I play?

hmmm.. I should have made it clear that I meant the criteria as being European, a member of homo sapiens and not someone liable to try and hump Mac's legs

dead classy? with a goatee? PLLLUUUUUUEEEEEEAAAAASSSSSEEEEE

* Dogscoff pauses for a quick slobber and a scratch before rolling in some cow dung and attempting to lick his own genetalia ...[/QB][/quote]

steady Dogscoff, it might be....... BATH TIME http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

[ May 22, 2002, 13:39: Message edited by: Growltigga ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm not letting you anywhere near me if you think I need a bath- I've seen how Tiggas wash...

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washing in our own spit is not a problem as we felines are clean creatures

would you want to be washing in your own spit given that you have freely admitted to licking your own genitalia?

Let's face it, scrutty things like you mutts just dont have the class, sass or panache to take on a Tigga

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If you define "clean" as "covered in spit", then yes, I would agree with that statement.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hey, I said *attempting to*. I'm not that flexible. Cats, on the other hand, can be readily spotted biting burs out of their bumholes on every street corner in the country.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Class, sass and panache are the what wussy cats deperately resort to in an attempt to salvage their self respect when they are cowering in trees, hiding from the barking dogs below.

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If you define "clean" as "covered in spit", then yes, I would agree with that statement.

Yes I would but then feline spit contains various chemicals which condition and clean our coats - I suppose a catty equivalent of "Wash 'n' Go" or teatree oil or something.

What we dont do is roll in a cowpat and think that makes us smell wonderful like your average mutt does

Hey, I said *attempting to*. I'm not that flexible

The fact that you are even trying says quite a lot about you

Cats, on the other hand, can be readily spotted biting burs out of their bumholes on every street corner in the country.

Which comes back to the cleanliness issue again and the fact that we aren't biting burrs out of our bumholes, but instead practising the cello (think about it, think about it)

The first things dogs do however when they meet one another is stick their noses up each others backsides and have a damn good sniff and likc of each others happy sacks - they also eat poo

PS at Last!! someone who has command of the comical uses of alliteration and onomatopeia

Class, sass and panache are the what wussy cats deperately resort to in an attempt to salvage their self respect when they are cowering in trees, hiding from the barking dogs below.

We are looking down on a sea of stupid smiling faces, you however are looking right up a cats' bumhole

and in the reverse situation, what do dogs do when 10 cats turn up? crap themselves (and probably eat it later)

[ May 22, 2002, 14:03: Message edited by: Growltigga ]

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ok we have two games now.

The bash and another one.
I wrote a new song for both of them.
Theme For An Ultimate And Inevitable Victory. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

So k is running the first one.

I suggest we set the second game on auto turning
small universe. Start in same systems.

It would make it a lot of fun. If K does not want to set up the second game. I will.

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Tesco, theme for a victory? are you looking for a kicking?

I personally am preparing a modern art display you guys can help me with. It is called 'The expression on a canadian's face when a yank gets stuffed up his bottom"

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Maybe, but I still wouldn't want lick my feet clean having spent the entire day running around a field disembowling mice.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's actually a primitive but effective form of cloaking device - it can fool herbivorous scent scanner components up to tech level III.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I think you have been reading some rather unpleasant (not to mention juvenile) anti-dog propaganda. It's rabbits that eat poo. Dogs just sniff it, to see if it has any cloaking potential.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You deny it, but I bet you've tried...

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May Day, May Day, May Day,
This thread is going down in friendly flames. We are in a spiral dive and cannot pull out. mac, tesco, Saxon, do something quick!!!

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We have been in the process of dismissing a staff member, thus my lack of attention to the board. I almost called GT for legal advice, then realized he would offer his services pro bono to the staff member. In any case, I am very much interested in a game, the Bunnies are ready. However, instead of frothing like Tigga’s frogs, they are busy being Bunnies and making more Bunnies to colonize the galaxy. Froth just stains your shirt.

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I still wouldn't want lick my feet clean having spent the entire day running around a field disembowling mice

hmm.. interesting dichotomy, you dont want to lick your feet after running around chasing mice but you have no problem on slurping on your testicles?

That's actually a primitive but effective form of cloaking device

and really make you smell of sh## and be covered in sh## - personally, I have little to fear from herbivarous creatures

anti-dog propaganda

it is a proven fact that unlike cats, dogs dont have very developed tastebuds - they eat everything and anything, they eat poo

go on, admit it, you fancy chomping on a nice fat jobby

You deny it, but I bet you've tried...

Nope, never have, never will, have no interest, I will leave that to you and the north americans on the forum

PS The Cantina is now at Defcon 4 - I suggest the north americans do something useful for a change and grab some fire extinguishers.. sit back guys and watch some real debating talent kicking into action!

[ May 22, 2002, 15:09: Message edited by: Growltigga ]

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:: Running for a deep deep lead lined shelter ::

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If you'd been listening instead of cleaning your ears with spit, you'd have noticed me mention that I lack the necessary flexibility for this operation. It's something I'm quite happy to live without, but at least I know where my individual parts have been. Those mice could have been *anywhere*.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm sure Saxon's bunnies will have to say on that subject.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">We can put this theory to the test quite easily. Go to the supermarket and buy a tin of dog food. Then buy a tin of cat food. open them both and serve them up.

Which would you say was more appealling, the juicy marrowbone jelly and crunchy biscuits that the canines enjoy, or the stinky, oily fish-mince in most cat foods?

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah? Well you eat poo, too. (The art of reasoned debate lives on:))

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You know we're never going to believe you, simply 'coz it's more fun that way:D

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I almost called GT for legal advice, then realized he would offer his services pro bono to the staff member

Dont be so bloody stupid, me? work for free? over your dead body Saxon

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I lack the necessary flexibility for this operation.

We dont believe you but that is not the point, the salient point here is that you have obviously tried and repeatedly tried at that.. let me introduce to no doubt a fundamentally new concept for you called a 'girlfriend'.....

It's something I'm quite happy to live without,

Are you sure this is not a matter of circumstance rather than choice?

Those mice could have been *anywhere*.

but nowhere worse than where your wedding tackle would have been

I'm sure Saxon's bunnies will have to say on that subject.

they will say, Growltiggas are much nicer things to associate with than a dog covered in sh##

Go to the supermarket and buy a tin of dog food. Then buy a tin of cat food. open them both and serve them up.

..and you will find by looking at the ingredients label that the cat food contains far more recognisable things than the pig scrapings and tripe found in winalot.. scientifically proven fact (and explains why catfood is far more expensive)

Well you eat poo, too.

What next? Teddy bears at dawn? I think we have now successfully proven that dogs eat poo

You know we're never going to believe you, simply 'coz it's more fun that way

Possibly, but then you are now going to have an awfully hard time living down the confession that DOgscoff spends his time bent double trying to.....well, let's just leave it there shall we

Prepare to go to Defcon 5
Whilst Guffin is in that shelter, can someone please bury him

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Funny you should have mentioned my girlfriend, because she would probably take issue with you on this point, but I think we're probably getting beyond the realms of a famiily forum.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm reminded of a quote from *that* episode of Brasseye: "There's no real proof for it, but it's a scientific fact."

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Funny you should have mentioned my girlfriend, because she would probably take issue with you on this point

The poor girl has my deepest sympathy, she really does but on the other hand.. given that she is obviously attracted to a lupine fellow with a goatee.... no, she still has my sympathy (unless she is a poodle)

I'm reminded of a quote from *that* episode of Brasseye: "There's no real proof for it, but it's a scientific fact.

Yes, but you have to recall that Brass Eye was (a rather tasteless) comedy, therefore its expressions can only be utilised for their humour content only and not for some exacting statement

Cantina patrons, you come out now, we are reverting to Defcon 2 as I have obviously won this exchange (hardly a challenge as the battle of intellects go)

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dogscoff Tigga razzz
Now it becomes redundant
Good time no winners

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“Galactic Bash Open”
dogscoff please join in the fray
Make Tigga dogfood

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[quoteYes, but you have to recall that Brass Eye was (a rather tasteless) comedy, [/quote]

That depends on whether you consider comedy and satire to be different things. I do.

Brasseye was satire, and it's (deliberate, forced) tastelessness was simply an illustration of the hideously tasteless way in which the *real* media have exploited *real* paedophilia in order to gleefully whip up hysteria and sell more newspapers.

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I disagree, I view satire as simply a form of comedy. Satire truly developed into its current form in the 80's with the rise of shows like The Young Ones and Spitting Image and these were simply relying on satire to provide the comical element. The same way as say 'Have I got news for you' is satire rather than true comedy (like Shooting Stars)

IMHO, Brass Eye was appalling - be satirical, be comical, dont make a joke in any which way or form about something as sick as paedophilia. The money used by Chris Morris to make Brass Eye could have found much better uses elsewhere helping prevent paedophilia, rather than what was quite frankly an irrelevant and irreverant bag of ****e

On a related point, I was in a karate competetion Last night and one of the regular competitors is a careworker in a childrens' home who, we found out a couple of days ago, is currently being investigated for abusing children based on the allegations of a very dsisturbed child. Did he do it or didn't he? I dont know and apparently in that dsort of situation it is less than 50:50 certain as allegations are far more common than actual abuse. He is a pleasant enough chap but the interesting thing is that he didn't participate Last night and I found out that the other team were drawing lots about who got to fight him. Draw your own conclusions

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You are aware that DefCon 2 is only one step from WW3 where 4 is 3 steps away, aren't you?

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Of course I was Esel, Defcon 2 means we are back to the usual state of armed neutrality the regular possee share here. Easing tensions to Defcon 4 mean I am diverting my considerable aggressive tendencies away from the usual riffraff here in the Cantina and am focussing on shredding some fresh meat, ergo El Scoffo

You should know by now my Teutonic friend that us lawyers will argue with anyone, anytime, over anything

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GTO:
"Of course I was Esel, Defcon 2 means we are back to the usual state of armed neutrality the regular possee share here. Easing tensions to Defcon 4 mean I am diverting my considerable aggressive tendencies away from the usual riffraff "
Nice try, not very credible, but nice try.

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Nice try, not very credible, but nice try

Why thank you again Gryphin, thank for your acknowledging that you bask in the great light and glory of my intellect

I thought it was a very creditable and cunning diVersionary story. After all, no-one liokes to be shown up by a smart-alec German

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GT0:
"After all, no-one liokes to be shown up by a smart-alec German"

More accurately, you don't like to be shown up at all.

Folks: An old girlfriend of mine is visiting us for the next 6 days. I will be in and out of things during that time. I will make sure to get my emp file to Mephisto. and will perform my turns in turn.
Enjoy, play nice.

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Well, I guess you are right there Gryph old boy but then me being shown up happens so rarely that it has real novelty value... and you have to remember that people dont like novelties.

I am impressed that an old girlfriend wants to come and stay with you... real proof that you are possibly the nice guy you say you are, moustache aside... unless the ex-girlfriend is barking mad which is also possible! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Have a good time, I too will try and whop my GT file up to UberEsel so that battle can recommence...

Actually, we have shipsets for bunnies and squid, does anyone know if we have frogs or other amphibia?

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I was thinking we should make you a "Lobster" shipset.
The AI for it would the the most fun.
It would be a cross between the EEE and hmm... hwo else..

"unless the ex-girlfriend is barking mad", or bi http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

EDIT: I love novelties from those "specialty shops" that mac seems to study in.

[ May 22, 2002, 17:29: Message edited by: The High Gryphin ]

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'Lobster'? where the buggery do you get "lobster" from? at what point have I donned chitin, grown claws and proceeded to rock on with the B-52's?

what is it with you and bi females?

the next thing is that you will be "bi" and having a fling with Mac (if you havn't already)!!

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Rest assured I am quite straight and always will be. My thing with bi women, is well, my thing.

Folks, anyone want to help this Englishman remember "lobster backs / red coats / 1776"?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I always thought it was awfully sportsmanlike of them to put big white Xs on their officers and march all the men in line. I think that their alterior motive was to prune the tree a bit, thin their own herd, as it were.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">These 2 shows were completely different. The Young Ones was contemporary but wasn't really satire. the only objective was laughter. Spitting Image actively commented on and attacked issues in current affairs. They were both brilliant though=-)

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">*GRRRR!*
It *wasn't* a joke about paedophilia. It was an attempt to highlight the b*****ds who trivialise it for the sake of profit and glory. The "joke" was on *them*, not on the peadophiles or their victims. Did you even watch it? Most of the uproar came from people who hadn't even seen the show (including certain very vocal politicians), which demonstrates further the fact that the issue of paedophilia in Britain is now so distorted that a person isn't even expected to know any facts whatsoever before making judgemnts.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The conclusion I will draw is that paedophilia has been turned by the media into witch-hunt that has nothing to do with real justice. For example, had that guy in the karate competition been an alleged murderer or alleged (adult) rapist would those competitors still have been so eager to dispense a vigilante beating? I doubt it. In that case they probably would rather have seen the legal system deal with it properly.

Just because the guy may (or may not) be a child abuser, and because it's currently open- season on them, our ancient and venerable justice system goes out the window. No trial, no defence, and (worst of all) no rational debate on what the best way to stop these people really is. All that's left is a witch hunt where the only acceptable opinion is the most radical one. This is an extremely dangerous situation and will do *absolutely nothing* to actually resolve or reduce the problem of child molesters.
As a lawyer, I would really expect you to understand the gravity of this Last paragraph.

This is why the media's approach to this issue has been so irresponsible , and why Morris was right to highlight it. He used strong satire- the only medium he knows- and in my opinion did a very good job of showing the media up for what they really are.

BTW, what style of Karate do you practise?

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Puke, which sorta makes us un sportsman like, but "alls fair in love and war"
Well, war anyway.

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There is no escape, GT, we just know you to good. And of course, as a lawyer, I could not resist to smart-*** around a bit. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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These 2 shows were completely different

El Scoffo, you are missing the point here. Both shows were different in their DELIVERY, but the underlying conception for each was identical - the comedy club gurus produced both, inputted and wrote both and the intention for each ewas to be satirical in its comedy, one in directly taking the urine out of current affairs, the other by taking it out of yoof culture

*GRRRR!* did you read the interview with Chris Morris in the Sunday Times following Brass Eye? it might well have been a (laudable) atempt to make the media look like a bunch of shysters but he missed the trick by a long way and yes, I did see it and yes, it has been discussed extensively in legal circles.

The highlighting backfire, keep in mind that the 'stars' on the show were duped into appearing, the material was delivered in a slapstick and stupid style and frankly Mr MOrris missed the opportunity to actually do something valid

I do agree with you about some of the political reaction but please, this does not set a precedent between us

Your conclusion for the child carer on the karate competition by the way is what I would expect. I actually have been out tonight with some of the guys from theopposing team whio were drawing lots to kick the **** out of Matthew, the child carer. You are right but luckily these are intelligent people whoi can see thorugh the knee jerk reaction and think logicaslly about it, innocent until proven guilty and all that. It is not so much a witch hunt a la southampton housing estate (which I can, deep down understand) but more your natural reaction. I would beat up morris dancers, line dancers, paedophiles and Gryphin on spec as well

The media's approach to this issue and others IS irresponsible but so it is too too many other issues that matter. Morris' problem was conceding cutting edge to pure Ratings and not doing a pukka enough job of it - he had an opportunity to really make a statement, and in the end just caused a bit of mild embarassment, Anne Widdicombe changing her hair colour was more controversial - Morris is a self centred pillock IMHO who simply uses shock tactics in place of good satire to get Ratings

PS I am a corporate lawyer - I dont effect people other than in a "mass" way

PPS Shotokan, but I have done that for about 12 years and go to a club that does Shotokan, but also freestyle, kick boxing, escrima (yes there is one), tai kwondo and general self defence for girls

The latter has no bearing whatsoever on why I go

PPS I am so pissed I have just fallen over the cat

PPPS some of you might be delighted to hear that I got through to the second round Last night and then met Steve, 22 stone, 6 ft 6, ex-royal marine unarmed combat instructor (I didnt know when I went in), not so much a 6 pack but a brewery etc
needless to say I lost (including 1 tooth)

[ May 22, 2002, 21:39: Message edited by: Growltigga ]