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Since Dons post prior to this I believe the T-55S discussion has shifted somewhat.

I would refer you to the SPA and SPAA Thread Posts 240 -242 for further.

Now for something you'll be hearing about more from me later. I knew Russia was digging deep into their stockpiles of early "new" post WWII tanks. However, over the next three years Russia intends to modernize 800 T-62M & T-62MV tanks. That number doesn't include the 40 confirmed combination that has already been fighting in the Ukraine. You would do well to read the following it covers this issue but goes much deeper to grasp the situation with Russian armor.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...-losses-report

I don't remember posting the following but, the situation on the ground since this was published back in April this year bears out much of what is discussed in the following and also borne out in the above ref as well. I feel the same about this article as the above one.
https://static.rusi.org/special-repo...tion-z-web.pdf

The following has been UPDATED concerning the Czech Republic sending the Ukraine both the T-72M4 and BVP-2 IFV combat vehicles. It's not happening! (At least not now.) .

They were sent to Poland as part of a joint exercise.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...vp-2_ifvs.html

Well one of my tanks that I predicted several++ years ago would be in the game, will be.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...r_by_2025.html

Regards,
Pat
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=663b1cc26677

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The 1980s-vintage tanks will come from the inventory of the Czech defense industry, according to the three governments. They aren’t Czech army tanks, the defense ministry in Prague stressed. The Czech army uses upgraded versions of the T-72M, which is the downgraded version of the basic Soviet-era T-72A.

The enhanced T-72Bs the Americans and Dutch are paying for are T-72As with a better fire-control system, thicker armor, a new stabilization system for the 125-millimeter main gun and an uprated, 840-horsepower engine.

In 1985, the 42-ton, three-crew T-72B was state-of-the-art. In 2022, it’s still one of the better tanks Ukraine has access to—especially with the improved optics Czech technicians are set to install.

The tanks Kyiv has received from its foreign allies, in order to make good these losses, generally have been less sophisticated than the tanks it already had. The donations have included at least 270 T-72Ms—from Poland, mostly—as well as 28 even older M-55Ss from Slovenia.

The 90 T-72Bs the Americans, Dutch and Czechs are providing should raise the overall quality of the armor the Ukrainians are acquiring from foreign sources.

Non-Russian foreign sources, that is. Russia is by far Ukraine’s biggest tank donor. The Ukrainians have captured nearly 500 T-62, T-72, T-80 and T-90 tanks that Russian crews have abandoned on the battlefield.

Seeing that Ukraine is currently at war & getting lots of Nato equipment it's gonna be interesting to see how much love the Ukraine ob gets next patch update.....😁!

Ukraine now has captured T-62Ms now repainted in Ukrainian digital camouflage and in service with the Ukrainian Army along the border with Belarus...

https://twitter.com/uasupport999/sta...31210099560448

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Originally Posted by MarkSheppard (Post 853420)

This was inevitable - now added

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Originally Posted by EJ (Post 853383)

Seeing that Ukraine is currently at war & getting lots of Nato equipment it's gonna be interesting to see how much love the Ukraine ob gets next patch update.....😁!

Keep in mind there's only so many weapons slots available for each nation. And getting a dozen or so of a weapon it's hardly worthwhile to create a weapon and unit.

Use the "Captured" button when creating a battle and get anything from any OOB with the nation being set to your own.

There'll be more on this later, however, when I entered what is in the game as the mistaken T-72B3 in 2014 from my printout of my submission which was my fault and missed it when I posted my word doc to the FASTBOAT Patch Thread.

Some of you might remember me referring to our "Hybrid Tank" in several posts as the T-72B3/4.

I refer to UNIT 697 T-72B3. The name needs to change for that unit to T-72B3M by refs (Also known in official circles as T-72 Object 2016 or from some as the T-73B4.) that's on me.
https://www.military-today.com/tanks/t72b4.htm
https://armyrecognition.com/russia_r..._12003163.html

However, we CANNOT ignore the T-72B3 as that tank is currently the most numerous operated MBT in Russian service.
https://www.military-today.com/tanks/t72b3.htm
https://www.armyrecognition.com/russ...res_video.html

So, in working on my Russian captured tank project as posted in Posts 1416 & 1425 in this thread, I came across TWO modern tanks I couldn't verify as being operational in the Russian Army.

I have built a T-72B3 from one of those tanks and Don should get a free slot back.

That was a statement that conveniently leads me to the following video of a Ukrainian T-64BV taking out a Russian T-72B3 at about 250m-300m range by a drone with a "double tap".

That's my assessment after iso stop and blow-up of the video. Could be wrong but feeling fairly confident. The first thing I saw was the difference in the side skirts between the T-72B3 and T-72B3M.
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status...30183694860288
Look lower left to about 2/3 center/slightly right.
EDIT: It's 0200 do you know where your kids are at? :p
Just came across this...
https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukra...72b3_tank.html

I hope we're holding off on those Czech tanks that the U.S. and Netherlands are paying for at a cost of ~350-400 million dollars. That should buy something more advanced than the T-72 Viper I believe was discussed based on how many are to be modernized.

Another way of putting it we have no Xxxxxxx idea at this time of what's being done to this tank in the "Big Picture" sense.

Suhiir just got your PM-and Thanks!! We're still dealing with somethings but are DETERMINED to have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

And that goes for you and everyone else out here however you observe the Holiday Season!!

Regards,
Pat
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Mystery of the Czech T-72B (That's the right tank.) upgrade as paid for by the U.S. and Netherlands might be getting closer to being solved with the following refs.

Well, those same refs are "leading" to that conclusion but my problem is they're not directly saying so.

Is it possible these are them? I would at this time say they might be the leading candidate based on the numbers and the and reserves they (Morocco) still in storage (T-72B). Also, they're sending 5 of these tanks to the Ukraine.

U.S/Netherlands pay Morocco or EXCALIBUR but neither say that.

So again, this might be the leading candidate I feel we'll know more by next week or sooner. In the meantime...
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...ed_forces.html
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...o_ukraine.html
(Yes, it does say Morrocco is DONATING these tanks.) ;)

Regards,
Pat
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Both the first link and the link to the T-72B in that first link claim..........

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......22 125mm ammunition stored in the carousel automatic loader and 23 stowed in the turret and hull.

That adds up to 45 and for the most part, the 6 missiles added add to 39 conventional rounds gives the correct count (6 missiles + 39 = 45 )

The original T-72 by various sources show it carrying 22 in the autoloader and 17 in the Hull which =39 and that is...... for the most part, what we have in the game....BUT

A quick random check does show we have maintained that count in most things but there are a few that are wrong and Ukraine unit 77 and 621 are examples ( now corrected ) but that means checking all T-72 ammo loads is now on my to-do list....wonderful