Re: The neo-standard thread- Standardising additional hull sizes.
 

Ok, I've uploaded a slightly less stubborn Version of neobuilder.exe. This one will allow you to generate the shipset without having a main, shields, or bigexplosion, though it will spew warnings in the status window http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

The next things I'll do are:
- Allow user to override the battleship image requirement, if they acknowlede that the shipset may end up incomplete/unplayable.
- read mod preferences for alternates from file.
- Add an option to search/copy portraits and minis individually if there are partial images found. Sub-options are for mini chooses portrait, portrait chooses mini, and independant search.

Re: The neo-standard thread- Standardising additional hull sizes.
 

A new Version of the Neobuilder

It comes zipped with an example alternate definitions file.
Also, Battlecruiser is not required in order to attempt the image generation.

Minis and portraits are still treated as a unit in this Version.

Re: The neo-standard thread- Standardising additional hull sizes.
 

Hey S_J, I'm updating the neo-standard site. Can I offer the neo-builder for download from there? You'll get full credit of course.

Any text or anything you'd like me to put in the html with it?

BTW, you introduced me to 8Bit & Schlock... now I want to repay the favour. Are you familiar with www.redmeat.com? I think you'll appreciate the humour...

Re: The neo-standard thread- Standardising additional hull sizes.
 

Feel free to host the Neobuilder. The title bar in the program mentions my name, so you don't have to go overboard http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

I got distracted, or I would have replied earlier (and gotten more done at work), but I've gotten through the redmeat archive already http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif . Lots of good stuff, bordering on "sicko" at some points. Didn't stop me from eating lunch though http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Re: The neo-standard thread- Standardising additional hull sizes.
 

Sorry to drag this out of the grave, but with new mods using new images, I think this should be revised once again

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: The neo-standard thread- Standardising additional hull sizes.
 

The new mod I'm working on uses the format for the neostandard. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: The neo-standard thread- Standardising additional hull sizes.
 

*Dogscoff enters the thread and coughs as a cloud of dust envelops him.

Wow, this is an old thread...

Umm, yeah. The neostandard is a victim of its own success really. It's become so much a standard that it hardly needs explaining any more.

Anyway, you're right. The out of date state of the webpage is shameful, and it is especially so given the hard work which race designers have put in to make their shipsets neostandard compatible.

I have some time off work coming up, (16th-20th Sep) and I'm hoping to put some hours into my various unfinished projects, including updating the neo-standard pages.

Re: The neo-standard thread- Standardising additional hull sizes.
 

Or did you mean to add new hull sizes to the neostandard? What do you think is needed?

Re: The neo-standard thread- Standardising additional hull sizes.
 

ok, time to resurrect this thread once again. This kind of follows on from what was discussed in September (see previous Posts).

With the neo-expansion pack and everything I've picked the much-neglected neo-standard back up of late. To this end I've been looking at various mods and shipsets recently, and I've noticed quite a few new ship sizes coming out.

I wouldn't ordinarily mention it, except that there are shipsets supporting them. Therefore, I think it might be time to expand the neostandard, or at the very least make everyone aware of these new sizes so that modders have the chance to cross-pollinate and shipset makers can see what new-fangled images mods are asking for these days.

Here we go...

OK, just to remind you, here are Malfador's standard images:
escort
frigate
destroyer
light cruiser
cruiser
battlecruiser
battleship
dreadnought
fleet
light carrier
carrier
heavy carrier
colony ship
small transport
medium transport
large transport
space station
battlestation
satellite
sat group
mine
minegroup
small fighter
fighter
large fighter
fighter group
drone
small troop
medium troop
large troop
weapon platform small
weapon patform medium
weapon platform large
race & pop pics

And here are the 20 neo-standard images:
scout
corvette
heavy destroyer
heavy cruiser
heavy dreadnought
baseship
heavy baseship
tiny carrier
massive carrier
colony huge
tiny transport
barge
resource ship
resource station
warstation
starbase
huge fighter
massive fighter
troopinfantry
huge troop

Now, Proportions mod adds 3 new sizes as well, and I know of at least 2 shipsets which support them.
Starliner
Large Starliner
Elite Infantry

Fyron's new mod asks for the following sizes, and I know there are images being produced to fit:
cutter
frigatelight
frigateheavy
destroyerlight
transporthuge
cargo station
spacefortress
viralspore
satellitesmall
satellitemedium
satellitelarge
minesmall
minemedium
minelarge
fighterorbital
fighterattack
fighterinterceptor
fighterheavyinterceptor
fighterbomber
fighterheavybomber
weapplatformhuge

I think some of the new fighter sizes might be redundant, and only 2 new satellite sizes would be necessary in a shipset, since the third can be allowed to default back to the good old-fashioned "satellite" image.

In addition, I have noticed a few shipsets packing additional images that I can't find mod references for. I'd be grateful if anyone could tell me what (if any) mods these relate to:
attackcruiser (I just rename it to heavy cruiser)
largesatellite
smallsatellite (Same as satellitesmall, but named differently)
Gunboat
Special carrier
deep station

Does anyone think the neo-standard should be expanded to include the image names above? Should I just be adding them in automatically? Wherefore cheese?

Also, if you have a shipset which supports more than the standard malfador ships and you're not listed here - even if it's just one or two images - please let me know and I'll add you to the list.

BTW, I am planning to include almost all of the images listed in my new KanesS set - it will have over 70 images =D

Re: The neo-standard thread- Standardising additional hull sizes.
 

The starliners, it seems to me, fall under the more general Category of "civilian ship"

Perhaps "civilianship", "civiliantransport"?
troopheavyinfantry could be good as well.

It seems to me we have plenty of standard hull sizes already (16)
The items that stand out for me on Fyron's list are:
Transporthuge
cargo station (civilianstation, perhaps?)
The sat and mine sizes, leaving out the satmedium, as you suggested.
fighterbomber
weapplatformhuge

PS: I believe you missed the worldship in your list.