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Re: What happens in 2025? / new tactics- new technologies

If anyone finds the Lyut's speed let me know

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You could calculate it from footage of it online:

https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1836797647736176962

At 0:27 in that video you see it moving through a minefield of AT mines -- you could estimate it's speed by seeing how long it takes to pass each AT mine? :confused:

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I gave it 8 until I get a source that gives the info. I think 24kph a bit optimistic but it's a start

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https://the300.mt.co.kr/newsView.htm...62839346&MRO_P

In Korean (Translated to English via Google)

It shows that at least one nation is THINKIHNG (note - THINKING) and has done planning on what would happen if battalion level mortars got replaced with expendable UAVs.

[South Korea]

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It has been confirmed that the Army has virtually finalized a plan to convert aging 60mm and 81mm (caliber) mortars operated by battalion-level units and below into attack drones. In the Army infantry units, 60mm mortars are the main force operated by the weapons company, and 81mm mortars are operated by the heavy weapons company.

Army Chief of Staff Park Ahn-soo (General) announced this during the National Assembly Defense Committee’s state audit of the Army Headquarters held in Gyeryongdae, South Chungcheong Province on the 17th, saying, “We are currently planning an operation to (convert) mortars into drones.” Park said,

“The Army has created a future military structure, and a plan to convert the heavy weapons company’s 60mm and 81mm mortars into drones has been created,” and “Since we don’t have enough power right now, it’s still the heavy weapons company, but once we secure power, we will be able to change the function right away.”

Park's remarks came during the questioning of Democratic Party of Korea lawmaker Ahn Gyu-baek that day. Ahn suggested, "Our military is currently operating 81mm mortars as their main force in the case of firearms platoons and heavy weapons companies," and "How about reorganizing them into 'drone firearms companies' using this organization as is?"

The Army has completed the design to reorganize the current firearms companies and heavy weapons companies into the so-called 'dronebot (drone/robot) companies.' Using drones and robots instead of mortars is expected to significantly enhance the mobility of our military.

The effective range of these mortars is about 2-3km, but the 60mm weighs about 20kg and the 81mm weighs over 40kg. The Army explains that instead of infantry units running around carrying mortars, attack drones can strike at longer distances with precision.

Since drones require less manpower than mortars, they are also expected to be a solution to the problem of decreasing troop resources due to changes in population structure. The Army plans to complete a manned-unmanned composite combat system by deploying drones and robots to battalion-level units and below, and also organize new units in charge of space information, cyber, electromagnetic, and cognitive warfare.

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육군이 대대급 이하 부대에서 운용하는 60㎜·81㎜(구경) 박격포 가운데 노후화된 화기를 공격용 드론으로 바꾸는 방안을 사실상 확정한 것으로 확인됐다. 육군 보병 부대에서 60㎜ 박격포는 화기 중대, 81㎜ 박격포는 중화기 중대에서 운용하는 주요 전력이다.

박안수 육군참모총장(대장)은 17일 충남 계룡대에서 열린 육군본부에 대한 국회 국방위원회 국정감사를 통해 "박격포를 드론으로 (전환)하는 운영을 현재 구상 중"이라며 이같이 밝혔다.

박 총장은 "육군이 미래 군 구조를 만들었는데 중화기 중대의 60㎜·81㎜ 박격포를 드론으로 바꾸는 것이 만들어져 있다"며 "지금 전력이 안 되니깐 아직 중화기 중대인데 전력이 확보되면 바로 기능을 바꿀 수 있을 것"이라고 말했다.

박 총장의 발언은 이날 안규백 더불어민주당 의원 질의 과정에서 나왔다. 안 의원은 "우리 군이 현재 화기 소대와 중화기 중대의 경우 81㎜ 박격포를 주요 전력으로 운영하고 있다"며 "이 편제를 그대로 활용해 '드론 화기 중대'로 재편하는 것이 어떠냐"고 제안했다.

육군은 현재 화기 중대와 중화기 중대를 가칭 '드론봇(드론·로봇) 중대'로 재편하는 설계를 완료했다. 박격포 대신 드론과 로봇을 활용하면 우리 군의 기동성 등이 한층 강화될 것으로 보인다.

이들 박격포의 유효 사거리는 약 2~3㎞이지만 무게는 60㎜가 약 20㎏이고 81㎜는 40㎏이 넘는다. 보병부대가 박격포를 들고 달리는 대신 공격용 드론이 더 먼 거리를 정밀 타격할 수 있다는 게 육군의 설명이다.

드론은 박격포보다 운용인력이 덜 필요한 만큼 인구구조 변화에 따른 병력자원 감소 문제 해법도 될 수 있을 전망이다. 육군은 대대급 이하 부대에 드론·로봇 등을 투입해 유무인 복합전투체계를 완성하고 우주정보와 사이버·전자기·인지전 담당부대도 새로 편성할 예정이다.

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https://x.com/sambendett/status/1860102231191851190

Another Russian combat UGV somewhere at the front.

https://x.com/sambendett/status/1859957338834379240

Russian "Krot" (Mole) tactical UGV delivering explosives at the front.

https://x.com/sambendett/status/1858927202022134013

Russia's PGU-15 universal tracked platform developed by the DST-Ural enterprise.

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Those vids make me happy there is a mute button.......

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ONe comment from a` post about these things

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The UGVs are tele-operated with human in-the-loop operators. The tele-ops range is no longer than 50 meters. The UGVs are not autonomous as they do not (have) radar and LiDAR sensors. Long story short - very limited effectiveness

IF that 50 m radio range is accurate, then I agree they have minimal effectiveness and very "iffy" worth in the game

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Originally Posted by DRG (Post 857073)

IF that 50 m radio range is accurate

Not so simple. Different connection methods, circumstances, repeater availability etc. UGVs with fiber optics spools can have a range of several km.

UGVs are still scarce and mostly utilized in special roles: Casevac, mine deploy/clear, recon by "force", barricaded enemies(like SWAT units), suicide with bigger payload than airborne against fortifications etc.

Airborne obervation/forward observer and suicide/bombers are still the dominant drone type and one of the biggest threats to any unit of maneuver/action.

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https://x.com/mason_8718/status/1865...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

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South Korea already began deploying the Laser Based Anti-Aircraft Weapon Block-I to frontline units and high buildings in the capital Seoul in December.

A twin-barreled 40mm intelligent unmanned air defense cannon is also planned to be deployed in frontline units.

However, it is said that the deployment process of this laser weapon in the metropolitan area may be slightly delayed.

Block-II is a mobile version that uses the chassis of the K239 MRLS, and Block-III is being developed as a Navy and Air Force version.

LAMD and LAMD-II are also expected to deploy along with the 'intelligent 40mm air defense system'

This is what Block I looks liek: a shipping container with a laser peeking out from it:

https://i.imgur.com/AXLS4he.jpeg

Block II is a hard shelter on a truck with laser:

https://i.imgur.com/FMJY4Lb.jpeg

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Meanwhile in China...

BIG NOTE: The Chinese Military Industrial Complex can crank out prototypes fast and at a rapid clip; but whether they're actually accepted by the PLA(N) is another matter.

But it shows what they're thinking of "near term" for the next 5 years.

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https://x.com/jesusfroman/status/1865681977120108661

AVIC's displayed the Laser Arrow-11E multi-mode Electro-Optical Countermeasure System, the Laser Arrow-21A/B vehicle-mounted laser anti-UAV system & the Laser Arrow-24 unmanned intelligent laser guard system in Zhuhai Airshow 2024.

https://i.imgur.com/H6SFboy.jpeg

Laser Arrow-11E integrates 5 interference bands:visible light,near IR,mid-IR,long-wave IR&millimeter wave.Through laser interference, damage or decoy,it makes precision-guided weapons&UAV lose their sight&guidance. Suitable for fixed locations terminal defense&moving targets

https://i.imgur.com/6X5Pdd9.jpeg

Laser Arrow-21A/B vehicle-mounted laser anti-UAV system uses high-energy lasers to control UAV targets. It can detect day&night targets while moving. The radar detection, tracking & aiming range is >8km, & the killing distance is 5km.

https://i.imgur.com/NfJQfoL.jpeg

Laser Arrow-24 A/B unmanned intelligent laser guard system can performe unmanned intelligent patrols in complex environments such as cities, detect & intercept low-altitude targets.

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Concerning the Ukrainian "FURY" haven't found anything about speed yet.

However, I've found a battlefield limitation maybe you're not aware of or I noticed was posted. Generally, the following are all saying the same thing...
"This has reduced the UGV’s operational costs, while still achieving a direct line-of-sight communication range of up to 2 kilometers (1.2 miles).

Trials revealed that the mini-tank can maintain effective communication at approximately 700 meters (2,296 feet) in environments with natural and man-made obstructions.

Additionally, the machine gun fitted into the unmanned platform is equipped with targeting cameras and can hit enemies up to 800 meters (2,624 feet) away."

A couple of the others here also say it can carry 550 rounds of 7.62mm.

Also, it's venerable to AP rounds and depending on its thickness a standard NATO (Not FMJ or AP round.) 7.62mm can penetrate 7mm RHA at 300 meters. Not what we carried.

.50 BMG AP can penetrate 1 inch RHA at 200 meters.

Those values are from the ammo used ~10 years ago. They are better now, and a Barret .50 (Or similar.) current AP round or two should be enough to take it out.

It seems though the Ukrainians are using them to distract a position while the actual attack is coming from another direction/sector.
https://interestingengineering.com/m...ne-machine-gun
https://armyrecognition.com/news/arm...oogle_vignette
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/meet-lyut-...gacX6NPutdQIXz

I read the claim from ref. 1 of the attack those drones take out tanks but not this? :dk:

The last ref. seems to dispute the claim of the first...
"The platform is designed with 4th-class protection armour, offering a degree of resilience against standard bullets. "

Seems they also have a Drone by the same name as well. Speed is 120Km/H.

Regards,
Pat
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