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Parasite November 13th, 2004 10:18 PM

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Sorry all, but my outgoing Email is messed up. New DSL and all. To Slinky...

Matt Helm, who is not rated, and I, Parasite, surrendered in the game Pairs.
Two people were destroyed before I was, and one person dropped, but his empire lives. Please use this information to recalculate my rating, and others also rated in the game. Thanks!

Parasite

Slynky November 14th, 2004 12:24 AM

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Site updated:

3 games computed/completed
1 game added
2 games deleted*

*Ratings Bash games: Georgig vs Tesco and Gozguy vs Steal Dragon. I can't find any reports of the outcome (though, for some reason, it seems like I saw something from Gozguy but I can't find it now).

geoschmo November 14th, 2004 12:56 AM

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Georgig Y Tesco never got finished. There was a problem with the game and needed a restart, but we never got going with it. You can cancel it, and if they ever get around to playing I'll let you know.

Goz v Steal never happened either. Steal left PBW alltogether.

Slynky November 14th, 2004 01:34 AM

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Thanks, Geo. So, I didn't miss anything.

Alneyan November 14th, 2004 10:52 AM

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Since I distrust mails, I will post this message here.

Kwok may be willing to enter the Ratings system, but he should confirm if it is so. His message on the KOTH thread before the game started was as follow: "I suppose this can be a rated game as well" .

I do not know if he joined the Ratings or not however, and it is his first KOTH game, so I am fine with either a rated game or not. Besides, the game is already well underway at around turn 40, and I should have asked for clarification earlier, so.

Hmm, a most ominous post count (1415 and Agincourt), though fortunately Kwok is not from England. Oh, I am digressing again.

Slynky November 14th, 2004 11:30 AM

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Let me check it out. ( <---- good example of not digressing http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif)

Slynky November 14th, 2004 11:51 AM

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Quote:

Alneyan said:
Since I distrust mails, I will post this message here.

Kwok may be willing to enter the Ratings system, but he should confirm if it is so. His message on the KOTH thread before the game started was as follow: "I suppose this can be a rated game as well".

I have checked with Kwok and he has confirmed he intended it to be a rated game.

Alneyan November 15th, 2004 10:32 AM

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Thanks for your swift answer Slynky. (<--- example of a not so swift post, albeit a post without any kind of digressing; at least until this point of the message, where I am going far beyond my point and...)

Baron Grazic November 15th, 2004 10:35 PM

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Quote:

Parasite said:
Sorry all, but my outgoing Email is messed up. New DSL and all. To Slinky...

Matt Helm, who is not rated, and I, Parasite, surrendered in the game Pairs.
Two people were destroyed before I was, and one person dropped, but his empire lives. Please use this information to recalculate my rating, and others also rated in the game. Thanks!

Parasite

Parasite - Thanks for notifing Slynky.

Slynky my records for the Pairs game is as follows:-
PBW Rating Members. (6 Rated members)
Primitive Still in.
Grazic Still in.
Asmala Still in.
Tescosamoa Still in.
Parasite 5th place
Gecko 6th place
Cybersol Pulled out early. Not counted.

Captain Kwok November 15th, 2004 10:54 PM

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Do I still get some sort of rating points even if I play as sour as the lemon icon that accompanies this post? [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img]

Captain Kwok November 16th, 2004 09:22 AM

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The best I can figure from the Ratings site is that we start at 1000 and work our way down - well at least I will. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

Slynky November 17th, 2004 09:15 AM

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Quote:

Captain Kwok said:
The best I can figure from the Ratings site is that we start at 1000 and work our way down - well at least I will. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

Some do and some don't http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif.

Captain Kwok November 24th, 2004 12:11 AM

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Slynky, FYI, the match between Alneyan and I has been completed. I lost. [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Cold.gif[/img]

Slynky November 25th, 2004 12:10 AM

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Quote:

Captain Kwok said:
Slynky, FYI, the match between Alneyan and I has been completed. I lost. [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Cold.gif[/img]

Site updated: 2 games completed (Alneyan/Kwok and Ragnarok/Brianeyci)

(I think this is all the updates I need to make)

Slynky December 6th, 2004 09:00 AM

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Site updated...

2 games completed

Slynky December 11th, 2004 07:35 PM

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Site updated:

2 games added...

Slynky December 11th, 2004 07:36 PM

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BTW, weird thread...more replies than views. Go figure http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

Asmala December 12th, 2004 06:12 AM

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Quote:

Slynky said:
BTW, weird thread...more replies than views. Go figure http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

It's because views have been count only since the forum upgrade.

Slynky December 12th, 2004 12:06 PM

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Quote:

Asmala said:
Quote:

Slynky said:
BTW, weird thread...more replies than views. Go figure http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

It's because views have been count only since the forum upgrade.

Possibly but the KOTH thread has more views than Posts. But maybe it has a lot of views since the forum upgrade...this thread is not that popular http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/yawn.gif.

Slynky December 15th, 2004 10:50 PM

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Site updated:

2 games added
2 games completed

Slynky December 15th, 2004 10:51 PM

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Oh, and let me know if I've missed anything.

Slynky December 19th, 2004 06:45 PM

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Site updated:

1 game completed......

Slynky December 26th, 2004 12:37 AM

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Site updated:

2 games completed: Slynky vs Geoscho / Alneyan vs Geoschmo

Alneyan December 26th, 2004 10:53 AM

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I like that update. No more Rex right beside me. Now, there is merely that Asmala to take care of, and the world shall be mine. Hopefully.

Now that you have taken care of Geo, and Christmas is over, could I interest you in a game Slynky? It does not have to start right now, however. Grudges can be taken care of at any time after all. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif *Displays some more bravado*

Slynky December 26th, 2004 12:16 PM

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I think I can handle another game. Besides, it's that time of year when I feel generous and in a giving mood, as in, giving you some points http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

So, 7-card stud, 1-eyed jacks are wild, 3 bump limit... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/redface.gif ...oops, wrong game.

Uh, Balanced mod (a small medium spiral or a large small spiral map), 3 good starting planets, no openers or closers.

Now, your turn. Bid/counter bid?

Slynky December 26th, 2004 12:20 PM

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Oh, what the heck! Post # 3000.

Off to visit family soon, so will check back this afternoon (my time) for details of the challenge my little escargot!

Alneyan December 26th, 2004 12:58 PM

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Hmm, I could use a few more points: Asmala is still out of my reach, and I am not far enough from Primitive or Rex. So feel free to give them, even before the game starts. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

So, I would prefer a single good homeworld start, mainly because I have just done three homeworlds with Geo. I have nothing against three if you insist, however.

What about Empire setup? In other words, do you want Racial traits (read, Talisman and CA)? The Ancient trait? I am thinking of going with 0 point, and no Talisman/CA. The Ancient trait would be fine for me, as there are 2,000 fewer points here. Alternatively, we could agree to both take either CA or Talisman.

A minor nitpick: I would also ban the Storm Creators, as they might otherwise allow to set up deadly ambushes; it would otherwise be possible to put the storms lowering shields and to-hit chances on all the chokepoints, which would be fairly nasty for any invader.

I am fine with everything else you offer. Hone your sword. Steady your arm. Don't worry about my two blades; the white one doesn't have any poison on it.

Slynky December 26th, 2004 01:20 PM

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Then:

- Balanced mod (a small medium spiral or a large small spiral map);
- 0 Racial points;
- 1 good homeworld;
- No: openers, closers, storm creators, ruins;
- 3rd-person map creation and empire placement;

Adjustments?

Alneyan December 26th, 2004 01:24 PM

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I agree to these settings; that is, once I am done reading the fine print.

About the map: how many systems would you like? How does sixty or seventy sound to you? Picking a medium map would probably be better for this I think. If only we could give a definitive number of systems to the game, rather than a vague "medium" indication (a medium map ended up with 170 systems in another game I am playing. Not quite medium if you ask me).

Slynky December 26th, 2004 01:44 PM

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Mapwise:

I prefer having someone generate a small medium map or a large small map. In other words, a small spiral map but whoever generates it clicks it over and over till it's obviouisly a larger-than-normal map. Or, in the medium spiral section, generate over and over till an obviously small one has appeared.

I don't like specifying how many systems because it gives one too much of an opportunity to tune their empire traits to it. Need to leave something to question http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif.

Alneyan December 26th, 2004 01:52 PM

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Well, nothing tells how close we are to each other though. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif And picking a racial trait is always a gamble of course. Bah, am I growing too soft and cautious? Perhaps.

I agree with your reasoning; the system value would have mostly be useful to determine what is "normal", but then we probably won't agree on how many systems we want, so. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif (You know how I am: bigger is better. When it comes to maps in 1vs1 games at any rate)

Slynky December 26th, 2004 01:58 PM

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Quote:

Alneyan said:
Well, nothing tells how close we are to each other though. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif And picking a racial trait is always a gamble of course. Bah, am I growing too soft and cautious? Perhaps.

I agree with your reasoning; the system value would have mostly be useful to determine what is "normal", but then we probably won't agree on how many systems we want, so. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif (You know how I am: bigger is better. When it comes to maps in 1vs1 games at any rate)

Then we are set:

- Balanced mod (a small medium spiral or a large small spiral map);
- 0 Racial points;
- 1 good homeworld;
- No: openers, closers, storm creators, ruins;
- 3rd-person map creation and empire placement.

We just need a person to do the Balance Mod honors and host the game.

Alneyan December 26th, 2004 02:05 PM

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I am just checking here: I guess it means Racial traits are fine? Hmm, watch out for the sortie of these Talisman-wielded CA-clad Dreadnoughts! (Of course, if someone actually picked both traits with no racial point available, well... my hat goes to them. And my hate too perhaps.)

And still checking: I gather intelligence is on as well? Not that I mind, being a spy and all, but I would rather not ditch my Cunning by mistake. Of course, I am such a miser I am likely not to spend too much on Cunning, but... *Shrugs*

Slynky December 26th, 2004 02:19 PM

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Quote:

Alneyan said:
I am just checking here: I guess it means Racial traits are fine? Hmm, watch out for the sortie of these Talisman-wielded CA-clad Dreadnoughts! (Of course, if someone actually picked both traits with no racial point available, well... my hat goes to them. And my hate too perhaps.)

And still checking: I gather intelligence is on as well? Not that I mind, being a spy and all, but I would rather not ditch my Cunning by mistake. Of course, I am such a miser I am likely not to spend too much on Cunning, but... *Shrugs*

If it's not Banned, it's allowed http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif.

Alneyan December 26th, 2004 02:29 PM

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Very well. Putting both CA and Talisman with 0 racial point seems slightly difficult, however. A shame I will have to forego using these this time around.

My Empire file should be soon ready, once I have finished tweaking it here and there. We merely an host, and we are set. Good luck to you, and thanks in advance for the points you will give me! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/stupid.gif Overconfident? Who, moi?

Nodachi December 26th, 2004 02:35 PM

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Happy birthday Alneyan!
Do you guys still need a host?

Nodachi December 26th, 2004 02:45 PM

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Anybody got an alternate mirror for the PVK Balance Mod? I can't get the main site to load.

Alneyan December 26th, 2004 02:47 PM

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Unless Slynky got a PM from someone else, I think we still need an host for our game.

The mod is not PvK Balance Mod however, but Geo's Balanced Systems, available at PBW. If your query has no link with our game, PvK Balance Mod may be available at PBW as well, in the file library, under mods. Otherwise, I can send it to you if you drop me a mail (alneyan[AT]fastmail[DOT]co.uk).

Nodachi December 26th, 2004 02:59 PM

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Yeah, I was looking to help you guys out. Let me know and I'll set it up for you (I've got the right mod now.):)

Alneyan December 26th, 2004 04:32 PM

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Well, I think you are probably the first to volunteer, so unless Slynky dreads the name "Nodachi", I guess you will be our host. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif Let me know if you need me to host a game in the future.

Nodachi December 26th, 2004 05:00 PM

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LOL, no problem! I'll go ahead and set it up and if it turns out that he has already found somebody else I can just delete the game, no big deal. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Slynky December 26th, 2004 07:52 PM

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Quote:

Nodachi said:
LOL, no problem! I'll go ahead and set it up and if it turns out that he has already found somebody else I can just delete the game, no big deal. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Nah, got no problem with Nodachi. Thanks my Tarheel friend (wink, wink, wink). http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Nodachi December 26th, 2004 08:02 PM

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Not a problem at all. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Alneyan December 26th, 2004 08:11 PM

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Bribe sent to y... erh, I mean I have uploaded my Empire file. Don't forget to add these five hundred ruins on that Rock planet next to my homeworld. You did want three zeros after the "1", didn't you? (A shame the currency will be a negative number of zorkminds. You might trick a bank into accepting a negative check, but zorkminds will be a problem)

Oh, all of that to say I am ready to go, though I should be heading to bed soon.

Slynky December 26th, 2004 08:16 PM

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No problem on the bedtime, Alneyan. Birthday and all that fruit juice. I understand. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

We don't mind nice and slow...us old geezers manage well under that kind of stress http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smirk.gif.

Alneyan December 26th, 2004 08:24 PM

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You like it slow? Very well. Nodachi, please set the turn duration to "five minutes". That should be fun. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Speaking of time, would it be possible to turn off the Fully automatic turns? I know I will probably not be able to play for a couple of days (on Tuesday 4, perhaps Wednesday 5 as well). Thanks.

Nodachi December 26th, 2004 08:31 PM

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Game is set to ALPU and has been started.
Looking at Alneyan's comment about ruins, I may have forgotten to disable them (I can't remember http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif ) if there's a problem let me know.

Remeber guys, a cloaked sphereworld as your HW is a rather small investment! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Slynky December 27th, 2004 01:15 PM

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Thanks, Nodachi, for setting up the game. I'm thankful you set me up well enough that I could stay in first place for the first 10 turns (well, except for that annoying single turn that Alneyan sat there once http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif). But, Alneyan Subscribes to the "Primitive School of Point Watching" so I know he's not worried. He's unpredictable but if anyone can predict his play, it's me. Right about now, he's raking in the research points, I figure. Also, we do our 1st 10 turns differently in expansion mode.

Slynky January 5th, 2005 11:12 PM

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Site updated:

2 games added

(and a "dance" to allow the post to post)

Slynky January 12th, 2005 10:20 PM

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Sited updated:

1 game completed
1 game added

Congrats to our new points leader, RexTorres !


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