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blazejos March 12th, 2023 04:09 PM

Re: MBT's
 
Here you have opinions about Leopard 2A4 and 2A6 by Ukrainians itself from times of training opinions of tankers.

https://en.defence-ua.com/events/ukr...ages-6015.html

Pakistani T-80UD are seriously considered to be send to Ukraine
https://en.defence-ua.com/news/pakis...tion-6030.html

Article about Russian T-80BVM which are now produced without important system Sosna-U
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...anks-5849.html

More about BTR-50 T-62 etc. archaic vehicles already used on front-linehttps://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...here-5852.html

blazejos March 12th, 2023 05:07 PM

Re: MBT's
 
Ukraine is also producting simpliefied tanks

Here about old Soviet Т-72А and T-72M1 modernized in Ukraine to T-72AMT like standard but in reality they are simplified

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukraine-pr...of-t-72-tanks/

Here Russian new-old T-62 after modernisation
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/russia-sho...of-t-62-tanks/

FASTBOAT TOUGH March 14th, 2023 12:25 PM

Re: MBT's
 
It appears that we have an early look at what those 800 modernized T-62M/MV tanks look like. Improvements include a new ERA Pkg. (Kontact-5(?)), communications, TI (GSR (?) and general overhaul (Mechanical and Electrical.).

I will assume the top picture and bottom show one of the "new" tanks as are clearly T-62's.

Why pay for an ARMATA when you can probably but at least 10 or more of these tanks?
https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukra...n_ukraine.html


Lunch and Work have a good day.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

FASTBOAT TOUGH March 17th, 2023 01:28 AM

Re: MBT's
 
This isn't about being right or wrong as much as for me at the time it was about the better platform making more sense to me than its predecessor in the combat environment in the Ukraine.

This conversation was had a couple of months back when "everything" was on the table and the Ukraine was getting this or that sooner or later etc. etc.

Now I can say that France is indeed sending the Ukraine the much better AMC-10RCR.

The article shows a couple pictures showing Ukrainian troops training in them at an undisclosed location in France. Note the comment "overlayed" on the picture at LEFT.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...d_vehicle.html

Still on the mend so off to bed to get ready for "another day at the office" or something like that anyway. ;)

EDIT: I ALMOST MADE IT! :doh:

Apparently the PT-91 TWARDY has entered service with the Ukrainian Army.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukra...nian_army.html

Obviously CINCLANTHOME has installed the following device on my PC to ensure I'm getting my 8 hrs. down it's easier to just show you...
:nono: :tough: :typing: :pc: :fire: :ahh:

Going to bed now that was God awful rough!?! I didn't know she knew that much about computers! :D

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

FASTBOAT TOUGH March 18th, 2023 11:03 PM

Re: MBT's
 
As I'm taking some time off from work to recoup and clear my mind, I'm currently building or modifying a tank a day. Thankfully that work is coming to a close so there will hopefully be another submission for the next patch. I'm almost there.

In the meantime, here's some news...

Taiwan no real surprise for me here in that every old is still new there. The M60A3 will be getting new engines which apparently has already started to a limited degree. What I did find as a surprise though, I've seen it a couple of times in the past is, here it is again from another different source dated today! From the article...
"Moreover, for Taiwan, the M60A3 is not the oldest vehicle, since the Armed Forces of Taiwan also operate the CM-11 Brave Tiger (450 units in service). And this vehicle is a hybrid of the M60 chassis and the turret from the M48 Patton, but with a fire control system from the M1 Abrams. In 2017, it was reported that Taiwan would upgrade all of these machines."

FCS from M1 ABRAMS. :shock:

I don't believe if China should ever get a foothold in Taiwan that some tanks (Medium-VT-4A) aren't going to be landed. They already operate AMPHIB "tanks" that'll definitely hit the beaches.
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...this-6108.html

Pakistan sending them back home? Could be. They are offering to send the Ukraine 40 (Of 315.) T-80UD tanks that the Ukraine built for them initially. They just need "a little help" from some Western partners first. If done, they'll be battle ready.

I've stated the Western tanks will be a big help but some of those tanks will be almost a year out from fielding and probably a couple of years out to meet the overall goal of 300 tanks sent from all nations.

We must face the reality that their tanks and Soviet era tanks along with the 100"s of more "modern" captured Russian tanks will remain the "backbone" of the Ukrainian Armor for the foreseeable future.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...ssistance.html

DENMARK I'll believe it when I see it. That being said I feel mid to late Summer is more likely to occur after reviewing several open-source documents and pictures of these tanks-what a mess!!

One example cited several times is that most of the engines haven't been turned over in ten years or more!!! Complete overhaul if lucky at best or full replacement at worst.

I purpose we use the best model possible and leave at that. Thus far what that means to me is that the Leopard 1A5DK is the one to fit the bill. First so far it'll be the most numerous versions of the type to be sent. But more importantly is Second is that Denmark (Here we go again with a SPEC built tank.) had increased the protection of these tanks against HEAT and AT weapons beyond the German version.

I haven't had the chance to 1. Verify that this was entered as such for the 1A5DK. 2. Is the latest German version been so modernized?

But those are our only viable options as I see it now.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...he_spring.html

Sweden Well more ARCHERs to come but only 10 STRV-122 tanks which =2/4 tank platoons in the Ukrainian Army with 1 spare each.

I've had to modify these tanks for Sweden based on newer information gathered. It's done and just checking my notes they require just one change. I've from an earlier Post w/? , I've identified the export version as well.

But unlike most including for instance the LEOPARD 2A6 where to minimize the headaches we as above can choose to pick the "best one" or one in the "middle" with the STRV-122 it's all in by itself, and here we go again it was SPEC built and better than the German version and folks that's in all the refs.
Besides 50 CV90's is a DAM good deal.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...122_tanks.html

A little tired right now, the rest can wait.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

Suhiir March 19th, 2023 03:13 PM

Re: MBT's
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH (Post 854063)
I don't believe if China should ever get a foothold in Taiwan that some tanks (Medium-VT-4A) aren't going to be landed. They already operate AMPHIB "tanks" that'll definitely hit the beaches.

Sounds like the the Taiwanese General Staff has a good appreciation of their situation. The mainland is close enough at least some of the PRC amphibious forces can come directly from there and there's no way anything that can float has enough armor to handle a 105mm.

The PRC navy is very much dedicated to the anti-ship role so it's shore bombardment capability is pretty limited. 100 miles (the narrowest width of the Taiwan Straight) is a "bit" much for artillery support from the mainland. Even the PRC doesn't have enough missiles to use them for pre-invasion shore bombardment.

Upgrading their armor, of all types, with an Abrams fire control system and thermal vision means getting ashore in the first place is going to be a nightmare for the PRC.

Aeraaa March 19th, 2023 04:36 PM

Re: MBT's
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blazejos (Post 853981)
Here you have opinions about Leopard 2A4 and 2A6 by Ukrainians itself from times of training opinions of tankers.

https://en.defence-ua.com/events/ukr...ages-6015.html

Pakistani T-80UD are seriously considered to be send to Ukraine
https://en.defence-ua.com/news/pakis...tion-6030.html

Article about Russian T-80BVM which are now produced without important system Sosna-U
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...anks-5849.html

More about BTR-50 T-62 etc. archaic vehicles already used on front-linehttps://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...here-5852.html

From the article about Leo2 gun:

Quote:

Martyniuk name the tank gun a "sniper rifle" with a range of up to 4 km at night and up to 5 km during the day
Oh yeah, this baby has actually hit targets at 5.8 KMs!

blazejos March 19th, 2023 05:21 PM

Re: MBT's
 
This article may be intresting because is about a stokpiles of old military tanks and vehicles which Russia may potentially use on frontline:

https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...ocks-6117.html

T-55 in variant T-55M5
ZSU-57-2 which were still formally in service in 2010
ASU-85 are still in storage

And this article is an analisys of devices found inside T-90M Proryv
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...tion-6086.html

"Tractor Trops" again in use after Kiev defense now 2023
https://en.defence-ua.com/analysis/w...oops-6094.html

T-62 become more&more common Russian tank on frontlines
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...sing-6118.html

FASTBOAT TOUGH March 20th, 2023 03:17 PM

Re: MBT's
 
THIS IS A TEST/THIS IS A TEST

Something I'm working on, WANT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS, ARE ALL THREE REFERENCES WORKING/ARE THEY COMING UP PROPERLY?

PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHICH IF ANY ISN'T WORKING. HOPING FOR AROUND 10 RESPONCES OR SO COVER OS's ETC.

UAE (GULF STATES)/ADD/LeClerc AZUR/START 2012/COPY REVISED UNIT 028/ADD/ROW MG XXX/ERA
HS 15 HR 10 TS 15 TR 12 TOP 10/SLAT ARMOR ENGINE COMPARTMENT SIDES. //
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product3496.html
Army Guide (army-guide.com)
Army Guide (army-guide.com)


Regards,
Pat
:capt:

FASTBOAT TOUGH March 20th, 2023 03:22 PM

Re: MBT's
 
For me only #1 works. Looks like a recent Win10 update reconfigured my WORD 13 "Paste Options".

Will take results.

THANKS!

Regards,
Pat
:capt:


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