Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

it's okay the question has already been answered by others..

also i think if teleport did occur it would've blocked movement like I said...


so i'm fairly sure you didn't teleport, but to deny that you have researched teleport with a straight face is actually the funniest thing i've heard all day :)

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

Noob team news:

A substitute, Lupus Fatalis, will be taking over for Lumen Placidum (Machaka) while the former is away.

Squirreloid has returned and will be resuming Shinuyama from Iainuki.

Both changes effective as of turn 28.

Iainuki will be staying on as an alternate and covering for Viccio (Abyssia) in the next few days as the latter will also be away a short time.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

Also, Kietsensei, Unoptimized, and Morpf have been dropped as noob alternates.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

Less than three hours, still waiting on Caelum and Arco.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

Only half an hour left, and still no turn from Caelum - can anything be done? Stales really suck at this juncture...

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

I could play that position, but I would need a delay, and there's no way I'm getting it in in the last half-hour or so here.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

Truth to be told, there isn't much to be done as Caelum.

...but, that little done right might have a big effect.

No pressure. :)

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Someone will need to switch my email. If I know who to send it to, I can send it. Then I 'll try to get the turn in ASAP, though unfortunately I have other stuff going on this afternoon so it won't be perfect, but it will be better than staling.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

Either rdonj or Septimus can do it. Send PM to them telling your email.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

Switched a little while ago and time added, which I said on the noob forums. I've been a bit busy and did not have time to check here as well.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

Once I realized why your spiders stopped attacking the angel of fury, that latest battle recording was absolutely hilarious.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

Ok, so Shinuyama staled because Iainuki took both its turn and Caelums turn (so Caelum didn't stale). If Caelum had staled it wouldn't be a big deal, but Shinuyama staling is painful.

Iainuki has suggested that we request a rollback - leave everyone else's turns the same, and just arrange things so Shinuyama doesn't stale (he can send me the turn file for example, so i can be the one to submit it). Shinuyama is making no attacks on any players, so it shouldn't effect any one else's turn reports adversely.

(If people are against the idea its not the end of the world - there were no truly major disasters. But a lot of little things didn't happen).

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i don't think i would have any problem with this but.... shouldn't someone have posted about this like 10-20hours ago? not right now? I have a feeling its so far into the hosting cycle that at least some people might come down opposed?

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I first looked at the turn last night. I first got a chance to discuss it this morning. Sorry?

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I am in the camp that says rollbacks for accidental stales are generally a bad idea. However, if the vet team does not object to it I will roll back the turn.

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Upon further review of the impact of shinuyama's stale, I do not believe that a rollback is in order. There will thus be no rollback as I believe a rollback is more likely to have a detrimental impact on the game than a positive one.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

too many things go luckily for the noobs this turn, eh? lol

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

No, just the stale didn't really hurt shinuyama enough to warrant a rollback as far as I can tell. Plenty of things went poorly for the noobs this turn :)

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If we did rollback there's a good chance I'd win that fort battle so I'm all for it. :five:

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the only random event I was aware of that effected me was a ~20% chance to lose the best unit in the game, and I lost it... of course I could be wrong about what events did or did not occur.

for all I know a barbarian horde disrupted a fort the noobs were building somewhere :-p

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I agree. Rollbacks should be used sparingly.

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Another noob team update: Wheh!

Raiel will be taking over Caelum for the time being unless or until a suitable replacement can be found. Skinu to stay on as a noob alternate.

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Just FYI:

I'll be leaving for a summer school to Norway for a week on next week's Sunday. There should be an internet connection somewhere, but it's probably quite hectic time so I'll be needing a substitute.

Preferably someone able to put some thought into game.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

Maybe Lingchih can sub for you?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

honestly... it makes sense to either put the game on hold for a week or for us to just forfeit...

atul is like 75% of our team, if we had anyone who could actually sub they'd probably have been used before at some point :-/

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Namad - are you the only one who wants to call the game, or are all the vets looking at concession at the moment?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

I don't want to quit... but we don't have any subs lined up, if we did we probably would've already had one of them play for us a month or two ago...



So I just don't see any other options except the two I mentioned. I think you took the opposite implication of the one I wanted my previous post to make.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

Seems that way :P

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Funny... I didn't want to sound disrespectful to the other vets, but when I read atul's post, my thoughts were very similar to what namad posted. I'm somewhat surprised that my view from the outside matches namad's from the inside.

It certainly wouldn't bother me to wait, though I cannot speak for the rest of the team.

On another topic, I'd really like to hear namad's impression of that last battle for his capitol...

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I never realized curse was that powerful (I thought it was 200% but it seems more like 500% after watching that battle, taking regeneration's defense against afflictions into account).

Although even considering that, the chest wound that early in the battle on a unit which could only be defeated by a chest wound was fairly lucky. Additionally the 1attempt 1kill mind hunt on some of my backup the previous turn didn't go that well for me....

I definitely made mistakes, the flight was supposed to increase my odds of making mage kills (honestly I didn't want flight but I felt like if I had the item it was better than going into battle without boots... a bit of flawed logic on my behalf), which I suppose it did do (you came very very very close to losing every single mage you had brought), but it was also probably entirely responsible for my loses and I can't afford any loses at this point. Additionally, I prepared against a couple of tactics that you didn't end up using, and as a result hurt my ability to handle the tactic you did use.

I predicted I would be dead long before turn 30. The strategy you are currently using has gotten fairly lucky, I feel that there is another strategy you could be using that would have eliminated me much faster, and with less random factor.

Right now I'm just trying to have some fun with the game and see what happens. I think the morale for the vet players is extremely low and for the past few weeks communication has been getting more and more scarce. However like I said, atul is 75% of our team so if he wants to continue playing I want to try my best to help him. If someone who doesn't know what is going on subs for him and screws up his position he'll almost certainly have to quit. So, if you force him to take a sub it will probably end the game earlier than if you fully accommodate him. If your goal is to enjoy the game as long as possible you would want to do this.

I remember stating earlier in this thread that if you wanted to see late game strategies you shouldn't've drafted a game scenario that was designed so poorly that most of the veterans refused to return. However, now I feel that you could just accommodate us to try and keep us from forfeiting. Although I can't really speak for the rest of the team. Everyone on the veteran team has noticed a marked decrease in interest over the past couple of weeks. Although overall communication has been going down ever since turn 8, or 9 (yep thats right even before things went poorly).

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I hope you remember, and are willing to share, these strategies when doing so can no longer influence the outcome of the game (or when we stumble upon them).

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I was not attempting to force him to get a sub, I was merely attempting to see if you guys were going to look for a sub as atul stated he wanted one. Remember I have no vested interest in this game, as I am not playing. It does not hurt me for the game to be on pause for a week :P In fact that may even simplify things for the noob team and lessen my admin duties. In any case, the path will be taken will be the one that seems to be in the best interests of the game. If atul can find a sub that he feels is capable of playing a few turns for him, the game will probably continue. If not then the game will pause, as it is quite obvious that atul is a very important player for your team.

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If the noob team was communicating as much right now, as the vet team was on turn 6. I have a feeling in that case you'd know all the strategies I was imagining you'd be using. ;)


Honestly just ask me on IRC sometime after the game is over and if I can remember I'll tell you. I've made a decent number of mistakes myself and I'm much more likely to remember those in a month than anything related to anyone else.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

I'm fine with us finding a sub or game on hold. I personally have said I would like to continue. Fact is Atul and I and our little empires are still in great shape and namad has basically been drawing out a losing battle as long as he can and the writing was on the wall for him several turns ago, so he's probably more down on the final outcome than the two of us down south.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

what i'm trying to say is... in a game that is basically like 2on10

the team of 2 can't afford to have subs, the team of 10 can....


i mean unless we could get like QM to sub or something... but i just figure he won't do it unless he owes atul a favor

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I say take a break while Atul deals with his summer school (ouch, sorry! ;) ) situation. He is a major component of the game at this point, and not easily replaced. Besides, plenty of Noobs are doing summer stuff, and it might be just as well for us to have extra time to sort things out.

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Hadrian_II is actually the vet's lined up alternate. Anyone of the vets living or dead :) may also serve as a sub for atul if needed or indeed anyone else who might be available.

While the vets will not be forced to use an alternate or a sub, it is highly recommended, especially if atul can find a sub he's comfortable with. A week's delay should be avoided if at all possible, but the noob team, would probably not die if it came to that.

The vet team should not consider forfeiting over this issue alone.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

I will sub for Atul if need be. I am familiar with Vanheim, and have played them several times. That said, I do not wish to sub for Van, since his plan is intricate and complicated, and I might not pick up on all the nuances of it.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

a break is fine. I'm going to be gone for 4 days mildly overlapping the end of that, but might actually be able to use a computer sometime during it. Regardless, if i submit the last turn just as i'm leaving, by the time he takes his turn and the new one gets sent i might actually be back to my computer...

(Sorry, its been a busier summer than originally planned)

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

I'm sure we can cover most noob substitutions as they arise. But yes, clearly the noob team can handle such a break if absolutely neccessary.

Ling is quite good with Vanheim, I can attest to that. :)

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Sorry guys, but can I request a 24-hour extension of the current turn? I need to put some thought into my turn and I'll be gone all Sunday. Thanks.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

Hm, delay still not granted. Any game admins awake?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

Delay granted. You are correct, I was not awake to add a postponement to the game. Almost missed it.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

Next turn we are scheduled to move to a 56 hour host, so people should have more time to get their turns in.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

I had planned to wake up just in time (aka now), just in case, so would have been ok anyway.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

Just so you know, I rather expected that exact result in Wic, but did it anyway.

and if you're curious about the lame attack, atul, I was gambling that you might move to dragon ridge to stop me from running about your lands, and with your army moving to a friendly province, it would move before mine did.

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Namad - did I actually kill an Adon? How many times is Phoenix Pyre supposed to resurrect them?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

I, too, throw my only supercombatant into situations where I except he will be killed for no discernable benefit.






In all seriousness, you needed a way to stop my guy from running off before you started dropping the pretender on him constantly. Rime Hauberk, or maybe firing off a few Paralyzes before moving in, or Staff of Storms. Assuming I don't equip him with the CR ring I just looted.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Let's get it on!
 

I think Phoenix Pyre resurrects the caster unless he dies when his fatigue is over 100. Every time the caster is killed in the battlefield they gain guite a lot of fatigue and explode dealing lots of AOE fire damage.
Not sure about this though :confused:

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This is 100% the case.

Turns 4-30:
Noob Gold Total - 675,424
Noob Gem Total - 4,698
Vet Gold Total - 214,139
Vet Gem Total - 1,926

Gold advantage - 3.15x
Gem advantage - 2.4x