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Thermodyne surrendered to me at the turn 2405.8. Thanks for the game.
So up the hill I go. Watch out, Stone Mill! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif P.S. If the KOTH page is up to date, I will have to wait for an opponent in the middlehill. |
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The battle for KOTH continues. I believe at this moment, I can say that I am applying SIGNIFICANT pressure on the King and his position. While he has more systems, at the moment, I believe, he is struggling to keep those fronts protected.
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Gozguy vs Geoschmo 2414.3
This game has been remarkable for me. Never before have I had a game with so many wild swings of momentum back and forth. Early on I felt quite sure I was going to lose. At one point Goz had wiped out most of my navy and I had little to stop his advances. I managed to hold off disaster and at a point later in the game had a series of stunning victories, including wiping out his homesystem. After that I began the process of slowly gobbling up the remainder of his empire. Actually I was quite shocked he would not surrender at that point. In fact listening to him talk he still felt he had the advantage. Clearly I believed that to simply be false bravado. Now I am not so sure. He has launched a counter offensive in the south. A series of disasterous battles has left my empire basically open to plunder along the whole of my southern flank, and his fleets are pressing towards my homesystem now. All is not lost however as my fleets in the North are running amok through his empire similarly unchecked. I can honestly say at this point I have no idea who will ultimatly prevail in this contest. Every turn could bring another large fleet of his popping out where it's not expected. And every turn can bring another series of planets of his under my control. What a game. Geoschmo [ April 25, 2003, 14:29: Message edited by: geoschmo ] |
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I said it reminded me of that Trek episode where the two races were trapped by an alien into fighting an battle for ever. Neither side could win or lose casue all the dead were resurected and thrown back into the fight. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Of course it will have to end at some point. One of us will break the cycle somehow. But I don't know how yet. Geoschmo |
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Geo and I talked about KOTH at one time. He referred to it as a 'knife fight'. Some how our knives have grown into baseball bats and we are thwacking each other while holding hands. (What a visual.) It’s an interesting comment that at first I was so close to victory. Ah to stand in your opponents shoes for just a moment. At any rate I still think this game is anybody’s game and we won’t know for at least a week as to who will win. It has been enjoyable and I thank Geo for such an interesting game.
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Hey Thermo! Looks like it's you and me again! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
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What's this make, three games now? I'll have to work on a change of pace for this one.
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I would have been glad to play either one of you but there are 2 small problems:
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Lord Chane? Can't say that I have met this one yet.
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Slynky, I know the feeling all too well now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif I haven't played a KOTH turn in awhile now. At this rate it will be awhile before I move on up. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif
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Hey, Geo, don't forget me! Think you can squeeze me in now that there are a few returning to the bottom looking for an easy victory?
Warning: I do not play as fast as Geo and Rags but I'm steady and will play at every opportunity. I just do my turns slooooooow. |
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PS: He's a topnotch LAN manager, too. You can always tell those kind by how much they hate Microsoft http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif .</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Now why would a Lan Manager hate MicroXoft? Well perhaps Q811493 was not one of their finer moments of the month. But other than the fact that they are money grubbing broken software peddlers, just like a game company we all know and love, MX keeps lots of us employed. Actually, the software is not all that broken, it just seems to have a lot of undocumented connectivity. Seriously, it gets lots worse than MX. Try and get 500 PITA Users up to speed on UNIX. Or for that mater, try to get Linux installed on 40 different makes and models of desktops, 1500 of them. No thanks! I will put my faith in MX, well MX and some good Crisco fiirewalls in front of the ISA server array. And just to be sure, we might want some intrusion detection on the side. Add that all up, and we can see that MX is helping to revitalize the tech industry. OK that was not serious, it was facetious. But seriously for real, there is another that is far worse than MX. So bad in fact that MX licenses parts of their OS’s from them. For fear of an attack on my wallet, I do not recall the name of this company, but it sounds like Citrus. |
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My appologies Nodachi. I had you off the hill for a break of some kind. Must have mixed you up with someone else. You're next.
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That's it guys. I am done running Koth. It's been a hassle under good circumstances. When people start playing slow and ignoring emails and other people piss and moan about it and say they won't play those people I can't handle it anymore. The league can't work if it's only for people that play fast, and it can't work if people are going to set rules about who they will and won't play against.
I am going to setup some other ladder/league type thing in a few weeks, but it won't be a KOTH format. If anyone wants to take this dog over I will be happy to send you the files and you can put them on your website. Geoschmo |
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Well, I guess I am guilty of complaining about speed of play. Beyond that, I haven't complained about who I (might) play. But, I don't get your emails, Geo ( http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif ).
How to fix it? I don't know. I don't suppose I have the experience to deal with it. But, as usual, I have opinions. (1) First of all, you da "heavyweight", Geo. People naturally like you and like to join up with "little contests" you come up with. So, for anyone else to step into your "shoes", I think they would have to be a "heavyweight", too. Otherwise, I fear, the enthusiasm would die out. (2) How to fix it? I think I suggested somewhere else that there could be a KOTH slow (K-Slow) and a KOTH fast (K-Fast). (and people could belong to both). K-Fast running at 36-hour TA and K-Slow running at 72-hour TA. My feeling, if you can't manage a turn every 72 hours, you shouldn't even be playing PBW! (3) Use auto-nag on the PBW setup to start "auto-bombing" the Last 8 hours of any turn cycle. (every hour) (4) Rule: If any KOTH player/entrant (fast or slow) misses 3 turns during any game, the other player has the right to claim a win by "time forfeit". (after all, people play in chess tourneys by a clock) This reduces the labor the KOTH "manager" has to put into it by putting the responsibility on the players to inter-react with each other. For example, Player A misses his 3rd turn and emails his opponent and explains why. Then THAT player can decide if it was a good excuse or not and NOT opt for time-forfeit. (5) Match-ups: If you get scheduled to play the same person you have played before, tough. That's the way it works on the "hill". Otherwise, there shuoldn't be any gripes. Just play at the speed you want to (K-fast or K-slow) and let the other rules above handle it. (6) Set up parameters for permanent disbarrment for people who are habitual problem-children. OK. So there are a few suggestions without thinking them through completely. Having said all that, I would consider "running" it except for something I mentioned above. I don't want to find a host (I currently pay $60 / year for our host for our family website) and pay a fee, set up a site, and make an attempt to generate the same amount of interest only to find out (later) that people drift on to something else...more likely, something else you have come up with. The money isn't that big of a deal (heck, I've donated more than that to the PBW site...though it doesn't reflect it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ). The problem is devoting the time to set it up and run it and have it all go for nought. I sympathize with your feelings, Geo. And I apologize for being one of the people who added to the distress/stress. [ April 27, 2003, 15:50: Message edited by: Slynky ] |
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For those interessted; I am the moaner. All I really have tried to do is get my f.. game of ALPU. It's hard to finish a game on ALPU when only 1 person plays. Each time I have complained, Geo sends EMPerror a mail and he does a double turn. I then wait 5-6 days, complains again and another double turn comes. EMPerror have ignored all my attemts at comunications, making it impossible to resolve this any other way.
Anyway, I am not part of the KOTH league anymore. This whole experience have killed my joy of the league, and almost of PBW too. Good luck to you all in the future, hope you can save the league. Primitive |
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Primitive, you are not the reason I am giving up on running this. You were by no means the first or the loudest complainer. And I completely agree with you on your level of frustration over feeling ignored by EMPerror. Your issues was merely the straw that broke the camels back for me. I have just got my fill of arbitrating all the little disputes for what was supposed to be a fun little thing.
I intend to remain in the league as a player if someone wants to take it over. Slynky, your ideas sound great, but do you think there are enough players to split up the league like that? It seems to me that you would end up playing the same four guys all the time. Not sure how much fun that will be. But that's nto really my call. If the new administrator, whoever that ends up being, wants to take a crack at your idea maybe it will work. Geoschmo |
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Or, just run one KOTH league at 36-hour TA. If you can't keep up, don't enter. I could be wrong...like THAT ever happens, but it seems to me the "regulars" are the participants. People who have been playing a long time and who are looking for a different kind of game (and the resulting challenge). It may be that a lot of "casual" PBW players are intimidated. I dunno. Personally, I like the challenge. BUT, for whomever has the desire to try and make it work, they will have to compete with your ladder/league thingie. The sort of people who enter these kinds of things only have so much time to participate. I suspect they would choose what is popular and that could possibly mean "where you go, the players go". (leaving whoever tried to keep KOTH going with a dwindling audience). |
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Geo, speaking of a ladder or league, you will still have to contend with slow players and incalcitrant players. What do you have planned to handle that? And why couldn't any ideas you have for that be applied to KOTH?
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Well, it's certainly not my "baby". I guess I'm just a relic from the old days when a ladder meant you could challenge either the person directly above you or the one above that one. The idea was to gain a rung on the ladder. Or two rungs.
So, I'd be curious to know what kind of ladder system would allow more than one game at a time? And if a person wins, don't they usually take the place of the person they beat? So, what would be the point of playing more than one person at a time when the game that REALLY counts would be the person you are playing that is highest on the ladder? Of course, maybe ladder has changed its whole meaning from what I have known a "ladder system" to be for the Last 30 years... |
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Slynky, I'll have more details when the time comes, but it's a little different than what you remember. You move up by beating those above you, but you don't switch with them, you move up half the distance between you and them. So playing two games beating the player farther above you would have more of an impact on your position, but both would affect it. And what maters is the positions at the time the match ends, not begins. The only time you switch places with someone is if you beat the person exactly one rung above you.
You move down the ladder by losing to the player immedietly below you. Losing to someone farther down doesn't affect your placement. You also move down by being passed by people below you beating those ahead of you. You also move down if you don't play a certain number of games. You can't be a ladder hog. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Multiple player games are done by each person reporting a loss to each person still in the game at the time they are eliminated from the game. Losses to multiple players are reported in order starting with the highest ranked player on the ladder, irrespective of position in the game at the time. Team games can be done by each member of the losing team reporting a loss to each member of the winning team. Geoschmo |
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That makes me feel a little better. It was never my intention to help kill of the KOTH league. I just wanted to inform that I would not waste my time continue playing the current game. A ladder system, where games going nowhere don't take you out of actions for months at a time sounds like a better idea. Keep up the good work, I'm off on vacation http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif |
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"You also move down if you don't play a certain number of games. You can't be a ladder hog."
Does that mean a person MUST play multiple games? Of course, what's a ladder hog? "Multiple player games are done by each person reporting a loss to each person still in the game at the time they are eliminated from the game. Losses to multiple players are reported in order starting with the highest ranked player on the ladder, irrespective of position in the game at the time. Team games can be done by each member of the losing team reporting a loss to each member of the winning team." Sounds complicated (and more time-consuming than KOTH...especially when one figures you can have more games going (needing to be started and managed) with 29 ((just using an old figure)) players in a ladder than ever in KOTH). However, slow player problem still hasn't be addressed and THAT was one of the main complaints in KOTH. People playing too slow. While I agree that being able to play multiple games would alleviate that some, I certainly don't want to play with someone who responds to a turn every other day. I don't like having to spend 5 or 10 minutes trying to remember what was going on a day or two earlier. Also, if a person is in a game (or 2) and receives a challenge, what if that person doesn't have the time and says no? Is he penalized? I know you said there are more details and I apologize for being a bit anxious. But, for a person whose cup is already full, it seems you're getting ready to start somthing that will take even more time. And potentially have the same complaints due to slow play. Just my opinon...I have an *******, too... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif |
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Ah, but what you don't know is there is a free web based league service that I plan to use that does all this automatically. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif It will have functions for people to join the league, and report losses. And it will automatically calulate the rankings.
You don't have to be in multiple games, you just have to finish X number of games every Y number of days/weeks/months. I can configure that to whatever people think is fair. No, it wont eliminate the problem of slow play completely. But we can set up some regs. Like your suggestions that all games have to be 72 hour auto turns, and 3 missed turns means you lose, and stuff like that. But if you are in only one game and one of them is only doing a turn every 3 days you are very unhappy. If you can be in 3 or 4 games at once you don't care so much if one of them is slow. There will be rules about challanges. When they have to be accepted, that sort of thing. It will be the source of some dispute, but it will be codified so if anyone doesn't follow them I wont have to make a judgement call. I will just say, "You agreed to it when you joined". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Geoschmo |
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I am in. When the new one starts up... I like stuff evolving... Always thought that Koth was a stepping stone to a ladder system.
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No problem Geo! I understand that you have a lot to keep up with between this, that, and the other. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Have I thanked you lately for all your hard work? If not, consider yourself thanked! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
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The new ladder idea sounds great, but I could host the KOTH if there is still enough interested players. Setting up the new ladder will take time so at least KOTH could be played until we can move to that ladder.
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I can stick with KOTH as long as there are a good number of players to play against/with. I DO hope some rule changes would be made to try and fix some problems people complained of.
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I'm still in to play KOTH, on the current format or some new ladder thing.
Asmala, sorry I haven't contacted you to play. I'm away on vacation until Wednesday. I will pretty much play any settings you would like, although I do enjoy 2-3k most often. I know Stone Mill was almost relieved to think he could retire as king....now he won't escape the pummeling I hope to inflict upon him....if I can get past Asmala! [ April 28, 2003, 21:24: Message edited by: Cheeze ] |
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I'm still interested in playing the current format of KOTH. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
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i do not think i will have enough time to devote to two systems....
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Geo or anybody administrating the current KOTH & KOTH Gold. I just surrendered to Bbegemott in v.1.49. Get me out of there. In Gold I'm playing against Rollo. After that is finished (probably soon) - get me out of there too. This seems like not my cup of tea. Everybody is outproducing me whatever I do. Or maybe 8 games at a time is just too much for me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
Thanks to everybody who played against me. I'm just a bad student 'cause the teachers were very good http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif |
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