Re: What did I missed from Dom I.? -> DIPLOMACY!
 

Lots of good ideas proposed so far.
I just wanted to add one thing that I wouldn't like to see in possible diplo system, and that is ganging up on human player. This has been implemented in more games than I care to remember, and it invariably ruins a good portion of gaming sessions for me. I mean, if I transgress, such as declare war to everybody or break a dozen alliances, then ok. But NOT, please not, just because my only sin is that my domain happens to be of a certain size, and then everybody declares war just for the heck of it. That's just lame, and a big party breaker for me. It equates to the AI cheating: I want to be on same terms as far as the game is concerned.

Re: What did I missed from Dom I.? -> DIPLOMACY!
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Not necessarly a big problem IMO, thats the kind of parameters which ought to be externalized in a text file. The devs should be confident that in a matter of weeks the fan community will have found what is the best tweaking to be done (just check the awesome mods made for Hearts of Iron - some asked for hundred of hours). </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yeah, this must be added very carefully, but I think 10/8 players will agree that the diplomacy is another must have in SP.

Re: What did I missed from Dom I.? -> DIPLOMACY!
 

I think the most important thing is the 'relation points system'. There must be many ways to increase/decrease the points with a nation. All things must effect the relations between the nations. Aside this the AI's long memory is the second key for a very good diplo AI/system. The AI must remember everything, and there must be certain cases, when you won't be able to raise the relation points anymore above a specific limit. Example: a sneak attack on the AI, when you had good relations with it. Also these happenings must have global consequences. All AI must react somehow.

[ October 22, 2003, 10:13: Message edited by: Mortifer ]

Re: What did I missed from Dom I.? -> DIPLOMACY!
 

Well correct me if I am wrong, but scripting this diplo AI will be very hard. However it is a must have in SP, so do not give up please.

Re: What did I missed from Dom I.? -> DIPLOMACY!
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">There are different levels. Something that would require adding another menu to the game would take a long time. Something that recognizes things happening in the game and +/- a formula somewhere would be much easier to put in. Such as... if I give an AI money or gems (which I can already do) can I get a plus to my standing with them (which is a formula already in the game?)

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The hard part will be the balancing / tweaking of the AI and the AI - player reactions. I guess it is not impossible but surely it will take some time to add.
I agree that this is a must have in SP, but we must be very patient. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">mmmh, are we? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">mmmh, are we? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Not me! I want to see diplomacy in the retail Version! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Well that would be awesome..ok ok I will be patient too. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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We must be very patient. IW is propably working very hard on the mod tools, and on the first patch right now.

Re: What did I missed from Dom I.? -> DIPLOMACY!
 

I guess, singleplayer diplomacy won't be added ever. Iw don't like the idea of SP diplomacy, and if they don't like it, you can say what you want.