Re: MBT's
 

Well, we won't see them in time, but they are newsworthy none the less.

I speak of the CHALLENGER 3 and M10 BOOKER.

Britain has just received its last PROTOTYPE (8th) at the end of last week. The test plan requires all eight must complete their evaluations successfully before they proceed with initial production (Might be driven by lessons/costs learned from the continuing evaluation of the AJAX.) as the focus will be different for each unit i.e. gunnery and protection evaluations etc. etc. (Though all will be evaluated overall as well.) and consolidation of all the data as needed to be incorporated into all the PROTOTYPES (Except maybe for the 1 or 2 involved in the armor evaluation.)

Initial operating capability (IOC-mine.) is expected in 2027, while full operating capability is scheduled in 2030 (FOC-mine.) . From Ref.3 below.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c25r15dj9n9o
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...llenger_3.html
https://www.army-technology.com/proj...bt-uk/?cf-view

The USA did the opposite by receiving their first M-10 PROTOTYPE this past week. Though the 2nd ref. is a little "exuberate" in fielding by FY-2025 (Oct. 2024.) the reality is that the 82nd Airborne "All the Way! " w/o production delays of the PROTOTYPES will START OPEVALS late this year.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_april_2024_global_security_army_indus try/us_army_takes_delivery_of_first_production_m10_boo ker_mobile_protected_firepower_light_tank.html[/url]
[url]https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_april_2024_global_security_army_indus try/us_army_awards_technical_support_contract_to_gener al_dynamics_for_m10_booker.html

We'll miss this one by a couple of years as well.

Regards,
Pat
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Re: MBT's
 

That's a funny one, it's basiacally evolution of 21st century tank:

https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/colo...606579_900.jpg

Re: MBT's
 

If anyone finds good data on hull length and width post it please. I can guess based on the photo but I don't want to ( been there------done that then redid it.......which I will again )

Rough WIP compared to Abrams
https://i.imgur.com/dY6zylU.png
https://i.imgur.com/8UT4RNj.png


a few more tweaks until we have some solid dimensions ( 4x )
https://i.imgur.com/ZKRmSAw.png

Re: MBT's
 

"The M10 Booker light tank has the following dimensions:

Length: 24.9 feet (approximately 7.6 meters)
Width: 11.2 feet (approximately 3.4 meters)
Height: 9.2 feet (approximately 2.8 meters) "

From an MSN article from Oct. 13, 2023, titled "New Gem for the U.S. Army. The light tank M-10 Booker."

I'm unable to retrieve this article from MSN. I get the following message when I try; "This page no longer exists. New search page will load automatically. "

I get re-directed to the current MSN page. It's the only one I've seen with these measurements.

My "Copilot" puts it on top (The same article.) as well in its search as well.

At least I can say I found it first that's why I'm the Pilot. :p

Sorry best that I can do.

Regards,
Pat
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Re: MBT's
 

I was 1 pixel short on hull length. Width was 2 pixels too wide but I included added side armour and IDK if those dimensions of of standard hull or not.......all things considered.. "close enough" but an easy tweak makes it better.

Now I just need to confirm where the engine is and any air intakes

Re: MBT's
 

FRONT Mounted engine.
https://militaryview.com/m10-booker-mpf/
(#5)
https://www.armyrecognition.com/unit...tank_data.html

TI/GSR 60 based on FCS has "Hunter Killer" capability.

Can have modular armor packages.

WORK!!

Regards,
Pat
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It also says.................. so don't expect it to go toe to toe with a T-90

My WAG is these are support units for Bradleys and it sounds like they have comparable armour though the Booker is 10 tons heavier that might all be in the gun and turret.........time will tell

Re: MBT's
 

We are watching how all this develops......it might proliferate further......or not

3x normal

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=7510aa416e3f

https://forum.shrapnelgames.com/atta...1&d=1715878062


I know that is not exactly how they look but without the cage, it looks like a house with a gun barrel and there are many variations on the basic design anyway and the cage makes it stand out

https://forum.shrapnelgames.com/atta...1&d=1715952351

This is an APC....... all are still WIP and may or may not end up in the game as well. The important point is it is instantly recognizable for what it is even though it may not be exactly like the the " real thing"

https://forum.shrapnelgames.com/atta...1&d=1715951744

The "trick" is finding the right variation
https://forum.shrapnelgames.com/atta...1&d=1715951864https://forum.shrapnelgames.com/atta...1&d=1715952049

Re: MBT's
 

The Bookers are nearing completion as I find more photos showing details
3x normal --WIP

https://forum.shrapnelgames.com/atta...1&d=1715952824



If anyone wants to run a game with a Booker right now, borrow a Thai ASCOD LT 105. It's not too far off. Both are built from many of the same design components and while that was entered nearly two decades ago based on IDK what info and while it was enough to build an Icon and unit for it I am not finding any evidence the Thais ever bought it so that's a new can-o-worms I just opened. It appears they are still using the Scorpion!:doh:

That said, it would not be too far off to say the Booker design is 2 decades evolved from the work done on the LT105

Re: MBT's
 

The following shows current for 2024. That being said the OPLOT-T is missing. There was some talk almost a year ago to suggest the Ukraine might want them back using the allied weapons and reconstruction "super fund". I haven't seen anything to verify that's the case.

STINGRAY II also missing from the list, which at the time caused me to get a headache in verifying they had it. We finally settled on getting it into the OOB by a "little more than a thread" if I recall.

Scorpion had a major upgrade in 2011 that improved FCS to include the TI/GSR how much I'm not sure of at the moment.
https://www.militaryfactory.com/mode...-thai-army.php

Been extremely busy especially these last 9 weeks or more that has now involved my Congressman (Soon my Senator as well.) dealing with an issue concerning possibly 100's of retired veterans.

On the upside my PSA is still going down by more than 1/2 since it peaked at 10 (Which is not good.). I asked my specialist about it seems he and his partner have no medical explanation for it. it seems I'm the first they've had with this situation. Of course! :doh:

Take care of yourselves!

Regards,
Pat
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