Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

Fishing, ya that is a good analogy. Thanks Will. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif And ya it is just a stupid little game but what else better do you have to do for five minutes after 10:00 at night... Its a cheap distraction that a few folks, not me or GJ, really take all that seriously. But we do enjoy playing the game. That being said, so do a lot of other folks. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Re: OT: Cyber Nation [Re: GeneralJangles]
 

To me it wouldn't really matter Peace mode or War mode. But CN is just as much about politics as it is war. If you weren't conspiring, maybe you should have been. Either way it's just a game,

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

Isn't trolling just a fishing method? [heh heh heh. skulks away after stirring the pot.] http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

Well, it looks like the dust has settled. The WP is down to ten remaining members, and nobody seems to want to step up as the new official leader. Somebody (Jraenar, I think) suggested we become a "pure" democracy.

The Wolfpack appears to have been distracted by a major war with at least two bigger alliances than us.

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

I go 1 day without checking my nation and two guys from brown alliance, each with twice my nation strength pummel me into oblivion.

I already was quitting travian, so there's no point in maintaining this either. I was enjoying myself this time around too. ah well.

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

Hmmm, well...

I too have been attacked by not 2, but 3(!) guys from Brown alliance, all from OTF Alliance. All of them about 2x my nation strength...very brave of them, I thought...

Specific nation names: Bren24_OTF (he won one battle, I won another), BainyOTF (I won both battles), Replicant Nation (he won both battles).

Time to hit 'em back...and likely get blown to oblivion. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

Bren and Bainy are the ones that attacked me. It seems we have some predators.

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

Heh. Bombs away it is, I suppose...

Also, FYI: today I logged in to two new messages. At first I thought I was attacked, but it turns out that the Wombat Protectorate now has two merger offers, one with NATO and one with Atlantis. I sent them both the same response:

In case anyone decides they would like to take up either offer, the NATO guy is Zamboanga,
and the Atlantis guy is Virillus, and since I basically told each to go ahead and recruit if they wanted... they'll probably send messages. Or you can message first if interested.

I am going to be declaring on these punks though... yet, I am surprised it took this long for someone to decide to take us on http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

The Wombat Protectorate had its first interalliance war back on June 29. (As I post this, that was 12-13 pages ago in this thread.)

Our counterattacks appear to be going well so far.

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

I have reached an agreement with the OTF Alliance members for a cessation of hositilities between our two alliances. As such, I'm making peace with the ones I was at war with, and (part of the terms of the peace) is for the rest of the Wombat Protectorate to declare peace with the OTF Alliance members. I hope this wasn't too presumptuous of me, but I also hope you do make peace with them http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

You guys need to elect a leader or something.

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

You do realize that this is an act of war don't you?

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

Funny, I thought them attacking us was the act of war... sometimes I wonder how the CN political system got so bass-ackwards...

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

When you look right your looking at someones left.

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

<shrug> None of the eight members who are left are masochistic enough to want the job. When Combat Wombat resigned, I asked every remaining member with a strength rating over 5000 if they wanted to volunteer to take over; nobody did. (In fact, two of the people I asked later left the WP.)

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

Just a heads up for my remaining allies: sometime since I last bought aircraft, C N modified the purchase requirements, reducing the per unit costs, but significantly raising the technology requirements.

I suppose this change was announced somewhere in the C N forums, but I don't pay enough attention to those to have noticed it.

(Has it really been five weeks since anyone's posted to this thread?)

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

My god does any one still play this game?

www.ocs.astempire.net

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

Actually I noticed a while ago that I didn't seem to have access to the aircraft I could once buy. Not being sure I thought perhaps I had once looked at a list of all the aircraft not the ones I could get.

I still play, a few minutes a day. Really all I do though is pay bills, get taxes then add infrastructure and from time to time add an improvement. There's not much else to do.

I intend to keep playing but it's getting similar to back when I played SWG. I only logged on every few days to maintain my miners. One day I packed them all up to move to the new guild city. Several weeks later I realised I had no reason to go back.

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

SWG was like the most boring game I have ever played. It was like having a second job.

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

Well, SWG was a lot less fun after they removed the skilltree based system and added in the levels.

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

Yes, that's exactly how I discovered it; I've got two models in my air force that I can't buy more of.

There's also a mention on the front page of the C N Wiki that the nation strength formula was modified (downward) recently.

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

Well I hate to add to this mystery, but I was able to access top of the line aircraft, but now I am two full grades below them. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif And I have over 300 tech.

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

Here you go, this link should help to clear everything up. Since joining the IRON Council and being appointed the DMoD I've had to keep abreast of these changes. Also there is discussion of changing the DefCon system so you can only shift up or down by one level per day. So many people spoke out against it Admin has suspended the change for now. So say for example you are in DefCon 5 and someone attacks you. If this change passes it will take you four days to get to DefCon1.

DefCon5 = Day 1 You are attacked
DefCon4 = Day 1 In response to the attack that day
DefCon3 = Day 2 Still getting pounded
DefCon2 = Day 3 Still getting pounded but most tech raids start to wrap up when target is active
DefCon1 = Day 4 Most tech raids on actives are over by now

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

I thought you were nuked out of the game man! Now your on IRON council.... what was in those nukes... fertilizer?

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

NarbozaLand has been attacked by U.P.E.

Fiducia has offered aid and successfully counterattacked.

Edit: Update - U.P.E. has responded to Fiducia with two cruise missles, two bombing runs, and two ground attacks. I believe Fiducia is still ahead in terms of expenditures, but don't feel like running the math ATM.

In probably unrelated news, Fiducia also recieved an invitation to join the Norden Verein alliance, which happens to have a treaty with Nueva Vida, which is U.P.E.'s alliance.

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

Hmmm, now I log in, and three different people, from three different alliances, have attacked me... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

Update #2: U.P.E. called in its ally Bings Palace to attack Fiducia as well; the resulting casualties drove Fiducia into Anarchy. Fiducia has accepted Bings Palace's peace offer, and offered peace to U.P.E. on the condition that their alliance (Nueva Vida) leave NarbozaLand alone. (And my estimate that Fiducia was still ahead overall turned out to be grossly mistaken even before Bings Palace attacked.)

In unrelated (AFAIK) news, Jraenar has been hit so hard by a tech raid that his nation strength is now too low to counterattack the raider.

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

Yeah, and it smells to me like it's not your general "tech raid". Since, you know, they seemed more concerned about bombing me than stealing tech. And then, all of a sudden, I get more recruitment letters from these alliances attacking us. One's of the tone "hey, you won't be attacked anymore if you join us," with the implicit statement, "the beatings will continue until you join us."

They can all frackin go to hell.

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

Ah, politics. It's like school all over again.

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

Peace has been declared in all three current wars.

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

Atrocitonia is now a nuclear power in the top 4% of the game.

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

I don't find the Wombat alliance in my alliance listing. Has the name changed? I just joined the game as the Kingdom of Inigma

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

Nevermind. I found it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I have joined the Wombat Protectorate.

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

Bad call man. Bad call. They are so small that they are classified as rogue and therefore open game to tech raids and pissed off nations looking for easy scores.

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

Yah. Join the OCS, you won't regret it.

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

Or stay in the Protectorate, and be free from the restrictive big alliances with all their rules and crap, and go with a small group where you're not just one more cog in the massive gear-set of the large alliances http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

The OCS gives you a 500k join bonus no strings attached, and is a friendly alliance that looks after its own. We protect our nations, provide aid when necessary (especially to smaller nations) and we have an elaborate but clear system of organisation in place.

I really, really recommend it. From my personal experience, when I was a member of the Protectorate, all I did was collect taxes and buy infrastructure. I had almost nothing else to do with other nations, even of the Protectorate. In the OCS, I got infrastructure aid to help me make the jump past 1k infra, and we're setting up a trade network within the alliance to optimise resource sets. Really, joining us is in your best interests. [/Soviet diplomacy mode]

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

You mean to tell me that the Space Empires crowd hasn't banded together to one alliance? Oy. Who all is in what alliance. I want to join the alliance with the largest representation of SE players. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

You have never been in an alliance so what do you know? Rules and such.. Don't attack nations in other alliances, good sportsmanship rules, and a generous aid program. Why fear that?

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

Considering that I'm in the WP right now, saying I've never been in an alliance is an inaccurate statement...at least, it sure seems like an alliance to me?

Also, I have checked out the recruitment pages alliances spam a person with, their rules, etc, and have found them to be more restrictive than I'd like. Therefore, I believe I am in a position to comment on the state of big alliances, thank you very much! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

We did, back when this thread started.

But over two-thirds of the membership bolted during the last crisis. The ones who stayed were the people who weren't emotionally invested enough in their nations to care whether they got wiped out by the predator states.

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

Ah, politics. You can learn everything you need to know about it in elementary school.

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

What makes you think we are exactly the same as those big alliances? Yes, we have rules, but they are not restrictive. Mostly, we're trying to help each other out wherever possible.

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

You are wrong, WP is not an alliance.

Again you are wrong. By your own definition, you have proven that you have NO experience at all. So I ask you, name some. Name what these "rules" that you don't like so much are? What alliances have you checked out? I have been in four alliances, WP, The Legion, IRON, and now OCS. In all of them there were no restrictive rules... Name one rule that you think is restrictive? Go ahead, put your accusations to print so they can be verified or debunked.

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

And for those of you in the WP with short memories, it was OCS who saved you ALL from being ZI'ed (Zero Infrastructure)by Wolfpack a couple of months ago. A lot of people, especially those in Wolfpack, couldn't understand why General Jangles and I went out on such a limb for you all. GJ did it because I asked him for help, I did it because I was once a member of WP. Those nations that have joined OCS over he last couple of months have been given nearly 40 million in aid. Not a lot but enough to help them get going. The aid is given out on a regular basis. We offer 500k to new members as a sign up bonus, 500k to any one who referrers a new member, and 1m via our Infrastructure Aid Program. (We want all members to be at 1k infrastructure within a few months of joining.) To date those who have attacked our member nations have been dealt with harshly, and we have many allies.

Our Alliance rules are up front, don't tech raid active nations, nations in alliances, nations we have agreements with, or nations in the same team color. Don't steal from us, be polite, and have a good sportsmen attitude when engaging in war. The only one that might be considered as restrictive is that we require all nations within the alliance to be on the same team color. We do this for two reasons, unity, and the happiness bonus you get for trading with other alliance nations.

Now if that makes us an evil alliance then so be it.

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

OK, I'm Officially Fed Up.One of my objections is exactly this kind of <font color="red">CONDESCENDING ARROGANCE</font>.

Before the attack on NarbozaLand, the WP was at peace for over three weeks. The last tech raid that I can recall a member of WP launching was before the war with the Wolfpack. Yet WE are labeled a "rogue alliance" because we haven't published a pompous public charter, and prefer not to interact with people in the festering cesspool that is the C N Forums, while larger "established" alliances, who use tech raids to enforce the protection racket that they try to recruit new members with, aren't even publically criticized (partly because they're known to respond to public criticism with overwhelming military force).

I do not have the same goals in the game as you do. I don't even define success in the same terms as you seem to. Stop assuming there's only one way to play this silly game.

Loyalty oaths. Suicidal mutual defense pacts with "sanctioned" alliances. Mandatory membership in a particular team has been the dealbreaker for almost every alliance that's tried to recruit me.

One reason I'm not interested in OCS, in particular, is that I frankly don't trust the good judgement of their leadership, as evidenced in this very thread.

What ticks me off the most, though, is that I seem to have become the de facto leader of WP, by virtue of being the only member willing to respond to attacks on allies with military force. I <font color="red">HATE</font> feeling forced to assume this responsibilty.

As my first official act as WP's new leader, I hereby formally request that Atrocities, Strategia, and anyone else so inclined, STOP TRYING TO RECRUIT FOR YOUR ALLIANCE IN THIS THREAD. If you insist on sniping our members, at least have the courtesy to do so in private communications.

AndyCarnegie, CEO of Fiducia and President of the WP, God help us.

(And if I've hurt anyone's feelings, be thankful that I had the self-restraint to not post the obscenity-laced rant that I caught myself composing over lunch.)

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

The OCS (which BTW, is now a "protectorate" of the Wolfpack) acceding to the Wolfpack's blackmail demands is one of the reasons I don't trust your judgement.If you're so keen on "good sportsmanship", why don't YOU do something about this protection racket? I'm sure the WP isn't their only victims.

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

Hey capnq, I was not being condescending and I would hope that you would know that by now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

And for the record, I am not trying to recruit your 7 members. Believe me if I were recruiting them, they would already be members of OCS.

Hey I hear you about the team color thing. Oh well, it is a turn off for many people. But all because you dislike it doesn't mean its a bad thing.

And this is why I say that WP is not an alliance... No real leader, no one willing to work together, no cohesion, no loyalty, just a group of players sharing a name that amounts to giving a license to any nations to tech raid you all.

Ok so what you're saying here is that I should not have saved your asses from Wolfpack. Well O-kay then, from this point forward the protection that I have been extending you is hereby suspended and you my dear friend are on your own.

Enjoy the pounding. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

In respect for the rest of you who probably don't care to hear me figuratively screaming back and forth at Atrocities, well...you may wish to skip over this post. Also contains a response to capnq. Or read it for your amusement, your choice! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif As you can probably tell, I'm a little grumpy today.


I am sorry you've been put in this position capnq. As you may know, I was tech-raided into oblivion on my original nation, and ended up starting over (after getting raped by 3 nations on a continual basis). If not for the fact that I'm still far too low to be of any use, I'd have been happy to help out when other members are attacked.

Also, thank you for addressing most of the points I was going to make to Atrocities.

Atrocities, to be honest, I thought better of you than to come in here with an attitude such as you have evidenced in this thread.

WP is an alliance, as an alliance is defined as a grouping of nations banded together for mutual assistance. We are a group of nations, and we are banded together or mutual assistance, therefore we are an alliance. The fact that we don't give two ****es and a [censored] about 'formal relations' with other alliances or any of that BS does not make us any less an alliance. Please don't even try to object to the logic of that argument.

Oh, and I don't recall anyone from WP asking for the assistance of your oh-so-mighty alliance when we were being attacked. As far as I know, we all knew that there was a chance some griefers would jump on us since our alliance was 'too small' and couldn't offer sufficient resistance to tech-raiding *******s. So please don't come in here and act all high-and-mighty about risking your own necks to defend us. No one asked you to.

I have been spammed by so many "come join our alliance, we're the best, you just have to follow these rules, blah blah blah" messages from so many alliances that I can't recall specific names off-hand. Now, I know you'll take that as an admission that I simply don't have any names since there are none; please don't be that foolish. It simply means I don't give a [censored]. I also don't need to specifically mention any rules that I object to, as I object to ALL of them that would attempt to change whatever style I choose to play the game with. It is a game, and as such, I don't want to deal with a bunch of bull**** rules.

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

The bolding was added by me for added emphasis.

From this response of yours, I take it you are one of those alliances who enjoy beating the crap out of nations then sending them messages saying "hey, if you join us we'll stop beating the crap out of you! Good deal eh? Oh, and if you don't we'll pound you into the ground just for the hell of it. Have a nice day!"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that surely is the impression I get from this post.