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Here's what I found in the limited time I have right now before everything up to going to work. It seems the USMC M1A1HC FEP falls somewhere closer to being in between the USA SEP V1 and SEP V2. Also the "big push" to get the tanks closer to the SEP V3 started about 2015 - 2025 ten modernization program. Obviously this got somewhat delayed but, the APS will appear as the first step in that process.
Concerning the M1A1HC FEP it appears the ONLY improvements are to the NBC System and TI/GSR per REF. 1. That being said I recommend the following: 1) FOC mid 2014. 2) TI/GSR 50/STABILISER take the average of SEP V1 and SEP V2 apply to this tank. I don't even know if the M1A1HC FEP is in the game or what those values above are. I leave you to do that leg work. No armor improvements as suggested in REF. 2 that I can find in the time I have today. That by REF. 1 will be in the final phase during SLEP. https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/...day%2Fusmc.ppt https://www.quora.com/What-M1A1-Abra...about-the-same I gotta get ready for work!!! Don if you see this please look two posts back #849 please. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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The M1A1HC FEP deserves more of my time. When I submitted the M1A2 SEP V2 I quoted from one of my Refs from the Col. in charge of the program basically this... "We now have a FCS that can see and identify a target almost as far as our ammo can kill it." it'd be easier to find it in the Fastboat Patch Thread then the MBT one if you're interested. But this was one of my "lynch pin" items I suggested to break the TI/GSR 40 barrier.
And now you the player have it but on more than one tank as Don and any of you that follow my work, I came to realize after going back and I believe I reviewed something like 20 different MBT's world wide and dug into their FCS's as much as I could, who assisted them in the research if it applied etc. etc. (It's all in the MBT Thread between 3 and 4 years back I think.) Many got to 50 some at 45 and some stayed where they were at and couple saw a slight reduction and all backed by the Refs. I had at the time. This is where I would normally when I get in the mood to start my lecture on properly researching (Oh here he goes again :rolleyes:!) etc. etc. etc. however, let's just do this for now... As much as I would like to help the CORPS I can't pull things out of arse only from the web, so, concerning the M1A1HC FEP you get no armor upgrade, you should be able to keep the TI/GSR 50 and if Don agrees based on the following below and reading what the math is telling me as well, I feel more than comfortable in saying it should have the same FCS numbers as the SEP V2. Before I start, it is important to remember that FEP is all about the FCS and associated support systems. Now I can start... USMC/CHANGE/M1A1HC FEP VARIENTS/UNITS 467, 468 & 469/START 06/2012 vice 01/2008/TI/GSR 50 vice 45/FC 60 vice 55/UNIT 468 MRAP 7 vice SURVIBILITY 6/SAME MBT AS UNITS 467 & 469//I've backed off the start date from yesterday after reviewing the chart from Ref. 1 of the same post and some other data this morning. I really feel anything before 2010 is too early, I could be wrong however, based on what's out there, I don't see it UNLESS it can be found in the Annual USMC Chronological History. I used that on the LAV-AD if you remember. I don't see anything to warrant a STABLISER increase at this point, if you do based on the following quote from Ref. 1 below, I have no real problem with it as I'm "more on the fence about it than off of it" concerning it. I have a good understanding of "over the horizon" targeting so I was somewhat impressed by this next. "FEP (Firepower Enhancement Package) – USMC The FEP upgrade was awarded to DRS Techologies for the GEN II TIS destined to the US Marine Corps M1A1 tanks. This system comprises a 480 x 4 SADA (Standard Advanced Dewar Assembly) detector, an eyesafe laser rangefinder, a north-finding module and precision lightweight global positioning receiver. These enable the new Far Target Locate (FTL) targeting solution capability. This subsystem provides accurate targeting data to a range of 8,000 m with a 114 feets (35 m) Circular Error of Probability. This system extends the firing range into uncharted territories, a below-horizon capability with the earth curvature taken in account in what it is barely a “direct fire” anymore." That is some of the most powerful wording I've seen for any FCS I've looked into to date. I'll leave it at that. http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/co.../M1_Abrams.php (Above follows some of the very few that are out there.) https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land...fepsrdrev4.htm Suhiir now stop bringing things to my attention if you would, just like a MARINE to try to improve their lot!?! Well it was a long cold night out there checking "things" and I'm ready for the rack! Regards, Pat :capt: |
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That was pretty much my understanding too.
The USMC acquired it's M1s/M1A1's between Nov 1989 (211 MBTs) and 2008 (44 MBTs used to increase the size of the two active duty tank battalions by one tank company each plus some for maintenance float). By FY 2009 the entire fleet of USMC M1A1s had received the FEP upgrades (US military Fiscal Years are the year prior to the date, thus FY 2009 is calendar year 2008). The FEP was an improvement to the fire control and vision systems not armor, stabilization, or survivibility. Starting around 2013 all USMC M1A1 FEPs began rotating thru the rebuild cycle at Anniston Army Depot, and an unknown (but fairly small) number were upgraded from M1A1 to M1A1 Heavy Common (thus more armor). Around 2015 M1A1s and LAVs started receiving improved thermal sights. Trophy mountings/electronics etc. were added around 2016. And AIDATS (improvements to the commanders .50cal) around 2018. So a change from 2008 to 2009 for the FEP would seem reasonable. And FASTBOAT undoubtedly knows FAR more about vision and fire control systems then I do so his figures of TI/GSR 50 and FC 60 should be considered accurate. But as with many units in WinSPMBT ... how many incremental upgrades are required before a new unit needs to be introduced? Does it make more sense to have a unit that starts before a specific upgrade is fielded incorporate that upgrade then wait several years before cumulative upgrades require the introduction of a new unit? https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a608067.pdf |
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Well I found the UNLESS for the date change for the M1A1 FEP the good news is my MARINE friend was off on the original START date by a year or more. USMC FEP was completed by FY 09 or if you will OCT 2008 for ALL 403 M1A1 ABRAMS the CORPS had at that time.
There is however "fallout" from this program, it is absolutely important that ALL things ABRAMS come from the USA first. With the last in mind, the USA had also contracted DRS to do the same/similar upgrades for them around 2001-2003 timeframe. With the AMBRAMS that started with the M1A2 SEP and M3A3 BRADLEY plus HUMEVEE (Recon/ARTY OBS) I would think. Not worried about the last right now. Of the rest I've identified 2 ABRAMS SEP/SEP V1 and 3 M3A3 BRADLEY's My thinking right now for the USA is a compromise in dates to make this work WITHOUT ADDING new units for the USA and doing what makes sense for the upgrade as well. I believe a simple shift of one year to 1.5yrs of the START for those units will accomplish what is needed. I've identified the particular units already however, I want to do another check to ensure I didn't miss anything and to think this through again I already foresee this affecting the BRADLEY BUSK units to a very minor degree as well. My initial thoughts w/o date right now for USA is as follows: SEP/SEP V1 TI/GSR 50 and no others. M3A3 BRADLEY TI/GSR 45 & FC 22 and no others. BRADLEY BUSK FC 22 and nothing else. I have to get ready for work NOW! Will have this submitted in the next couple of days. That's what I get for changing my search criteria!! Regards, Pat :capt: |
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The Royal Thai Army seems to have received a good enough quantity of NORINCO VT-4 MBTs to do this promo photo.
The VT-4 is basically a ZTZ-99 turret/gun mounted on a ZTZ-99A chassis and cooled down for export for sale as a "budget" tank to nations who want something better than a 1985 T-72; but not as expensive as a M1A2/T-90/LeClerc etc. |
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1. About the VT-4 for Thailand UNIT 020...
From SIPRI (Slightly Modified Format) Supplier/ No Year(s) Year No. recipient (R) ordered ordered delivered Comments China R: Thailand 28 VT-4 Tank 2016 2017 28 THB4.9 b ($140 m) deal 34 Type-07P/VN-1 IFV 2017 THB2.3 b ($58 m) deal; delivery planned by 2020 10 VT-4 Tank 2017 THB2 b ($58 m) deal We based date on late 2017 delivery a posted and for training. Also I believe they received those additional tanks in latter part of 2018. Should be posted in here. https://www.janes.com/article/85735/...ks-from-china/ http://www.defenseworld.net/news/209...l#.XFas13dFzoo UPDATE: USMC M1A1 FEP: Looking more like JUN/OCT 2009. Sources showing FOC closer to end of production. BRADLEY M3A3: Still holding at 3 UNITS. Holding at TI/GSR 45 reducing my initial call on FC to 22 vice 25. BRADLEY M3A3 BUSK: 3 UNITS no change to current TI/GSR 50 FC 25 vice current 20. The BUSK besides the Armor got also a COMPLETLY new FCS. I believed these got submitted with the M1A2 SEP V2. I've found a VERY close relationship between the SEP tanks to the BRADLEY, especially in the area of electronics. M1A2 SEP/MIA2 SEP V1: Of all the above, this was the worst PITA of them all. The information just kept overlapping, in fact the SEP V1 I only saw in a small number of references as compared to articles going from SEP to SEP V2. I've spent a lot more time on this issue than I cared to as the submission clock is winding down and my focus was elsewhere at the time. It's OK, CINCLANTHOME knows only to well when I get a "mission" in my head I'll do it until there's no more to do. http://www.military-today.com/tanks/m1a2_sep.htm (Though the START DATE is 1999(?), that is correct for when the contract was awarded for 1 M1A2 SEP MBT.) I hope you see the point I'm trying to make here, this was the ONLY one where I ran into with this date that at least DID had a question mark. That being said as far as I'm concerned at this moment, I believe you'll get a slot back in the USA OOB. I'll take a closer look at UNITS 316/317 and go from there. The start date is the issue to be resolved I'm thinking it'll fall somewhere between JUN 2004 - JAN 2008. End date will be DEC 2025 as I don't think they'll be updated to the SEP V3 before games end due to the push to get the M1A1 and the soon to be operational "new" M1A1 SA upgraded first. The contracts are being awarded if you will, oldest to newest and somewhere in there the USMC M1A1 FEP as well. And I was just getting ready to fix some T-90S tanks that need fixing. That'll be easy compared to this. John how about that JANE's!?! :D Maybe for CHRISTMAS? ;) Regards, Pat :capt: |
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First sorry the table didn't transfer over from SIPRI the way I set it up prior to hitting the "Submit Reply" concerning Thailand's VT-4 MBT's.
Now on to the other issues from this past week, consider this the source and view the previous as additional information. I have to go with Fully Operational Capability (FOC) many people want to use (And have.) Initial Operating Capability (IOC) the difference between the two is huge. When in IOC the manufacturer is working whatever branch to work out the bugs. This process normally ends with the OPEVAL where the branch is putting the equipment through it's paces. This will normally lead to modifications at times. Once the OPEVAL is completed this is when that piece of equipment will normally go into Full Rate Production (FRP) and depending on the branch will transition to FOC once a magic number is reached or in to the case of the first to tanks below, when production is completed and many things can drive this decision such as minor equipment upgrades (Think software updates or issues concerning all F-35 types.) or replacement or maybe a different engine (ALTAY) etc. etc. This is for context before I continue below. Also note I have to use the M1A2 SEP V2 for balance against the next two tanks as well. I don't know what data was used for them, however, we had a lot of data to work from for the M1A2 SEP V2 when it was submitted and except for the date change I submitted for the M1A2 SEP V3 that tank looks good at present. USMC/CHANGE/M1A1HC FEP VARIENTS/UNITS 467, 468 & 469/START 10/2009 vice 01/2008/TI/GSR 50 vice 45/STABILISER 7 vice 6/UNIT 468 MRAP 7 vice SURVIBILITY 6/SAME MBT AS UNITS 467 & 469// The FEP was a major upgrade to the M1A1 tanks the USMC operated. The contract was awarded on FEB 05, 2005 for the manufacture and installation of the of the subsystems making up the FEP package. The FOC was reached as submitted above. I cannot find any information to support any other date but, it should be noted however I found enough to change the date last submitted and after digging deeper, I will gladly in this instance "eat a little crow" concerning that last submission that "I didn't see it before 2010..." at least based on the data I had then. https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a608067.pdf (Pg. 6/Para B. Note they used JANE's 2013 ref.)) http://raytheon.mediaroom.com/index.php?item=156 (Para 4) http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...-(dec.-6).html Paras 1 & 6) https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com...1-tanks-01874/ (Covers both programs as of 2006.) https://www.heritage.org/military-st...s-marine-corps https://www.heritage.org/military-strength (For context only. One of the very few "think tanks" that grade militaries and specifically are the only to do so for ours. The second will get you to the other branch's.) https://www.theengineer.co.uk/issues...ets-new-sight/ (This last ties in the FEP and SEP programs. And as normal USA first.) The DID Ref above lead me to this next UNIT(s) as they definitely fit the timeframe needed for the FEP upgrade. USMC/CHANGE/LAV-25 A2 (CS)/UNIT 993/LAV-25A2/UNIT 061/TI/GSR 45 vice 40/FC 22 vice 25/Laser R/F 20 vice Range Finder 15 & 14 respectively/Of course ARTY & AT units wouldn't receive this upgrade// This is a "smaller package" as compared to the BRADLEY and size matters with this kind of equipment, that being said they're better then what they are now and it fits the FEP package well. I don't think I missed any other UNITS. You'll forgive me I hope as the LAV updates and verification threw me off track and as I was up well into what is now, yesterday morning and as I've got to take care of a couple of other issues before I hit the rack, I'll just say Good Night or morning wherever you may be!!. Hopefully I'll get to the ABRAMS & BRADLEY units later today or Tuesday evening as I have the "fight course" that morning/afternoon. Don if you desire more on the FEP LAV let me know but, I believe a couple of the others mention it as well. The DID Ref confirms the money was allocated and funded. As a reminder and as recently posted M1A2 SEP V3/M1A2C OPEVAL is at 2.5+ yrs. and still going on. The ARMATA if still on schedule and from Russian Ministry of Defense as posted will start it's OPEVAL around mid to late 2021. I might just be right on that one given the SEP V3 above. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Well let's see if I can finish the rest of the "Project". I have come to the conclusion as already mentioned that the M1A2 SEP/M1A2 SEP V1 are the same tank. The ABRAMS of itself is nothing more then what Win10 is and that's a baseline "product" with continuous updated versions of itself. In looking into the SEP the following other AMBRAM's were either running parallel with or during it's development such as TUSK, AIM and SEP V2 AND I believe there was a fourth one as well. Again the M1A2 SEP V2 will be the driver for how far I can go without going there all the way. I wish to give you Some of what I've been dealing with trying to straighten what's turned into an ABRAMS "MESS" through the fault of NO ONE OUT HERE!! At the end of this I'll discuss what my next action will be once the submission clock runs out on me or before. Also...
The following is taken from DID it might help clear up some wording I use out here...In referring to the extensive work going on with the BRADLEY... "Unlike RESET programs, designed to replace all defective or worn parts and restore/service a vehicle back to pre-combat condition, remanufacture is a complete rebuild designed to return it to full “zero miles” condition, and install upgrades." Now the nightmare wraps up I hope!?! With... Welcome to my world over the past week now from DID under M1A2 SEP: Additional Background section, by way of example... "The M1A2 SEP is a formidable upgrade package, but it was missing a small but crucial item. Troops in Iraq and elsewhere are also clamoring for a phone on the outside of the tank that will let them talk to the vehicle crew. This was common as far back as World War 2, and its lack is hampering coordination on the modern battlefield – especially in urban areas. A General Dynamics representative noted that future M1A2 Abrams TUSK (Tank Urban Survivability Kit) vehicles will have this feature, but the SEP v1 tanks did not. And continues right into the next para with... M1A2 SEP Version 2 configuration, which is just beginning to appear, fixes this." And continues... Now correct me if I'm wrong, the above para was talking about M1A2 SEP and ended in the same para with the M1A2 SEPv1 right!?! Anyway... USA/CHANGE/RESET/M1A2 SEP/UNITS 316 & 647/CHANGE/M1A2 SEP MCRS/UNITS 653 & 654/ALL/START OCT 2008/END DEC 2025/TI/GSR 50 vice 40/FC 55 vice 50/STEEL HF 70 vice 65/HS 18 vice 12/HR 10 vice 9/HEAT TF 150 vice 147/TS 50 vice 48// Unlike the M1A1 FEP, the M1A2 SEP received a 3rd GEN armor upgrade this includes a D/U pkg. as well. I threaded the needle for FOC based on the conflicting data. However it should be noted it's NOT out of line based on what I posted concerning the M1A2 SEP V3 almost being 3 yrs. into it's OPEVAL as we speak. Also the last order placed for the SEP was in mid/late 2005. That being said, I leaned a little more on the following from DID (Last Ref.) entries AUG 29/08 and JUN 20/05. Overall the SEP program to date must viewed as incremental improvements in all areas. And I really like the picture, things should be seen doing things. USA/DELETE/M1A2 SEP V1/UNITS 318 & 640/SAVE THE PICTURE WE HAVE LATE MODEL ABRAMS "FLOATING IN THE SKY" THAT CAN USE IT/For the reasons stated above and below within the Refs. I have seen Refs to indicate the M1A1 AIM being tagged with V1 and V2 attached to the name. Also M1A1 AIM were all REMANUFACTED tanks for the record. USA/CHANGE/M1A2 SEP V2/M1A2 SEP 2-T/UNITS 517 & 537 RESPECTIVLY/FC 55 vice 50/BASED ON M1A2 SEP V3 FC 60/NOTE I MISSED UNIT 537 WHEN I SUBMITTED REVISED START FOR UNIT 517 (06/2020 I BELIEVE FROM POST 845) SHOULD MATCH// Again we see the progression more clearly now between the variants. http://www.benning.army.mil/armor/eA...une1996web.pdf (In 1996 the plan, pg. 11 and see Fig. 3 pg. 14.) http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/...rmy/99m1a2.pdf (In 2000 testing issues and failures experienced during and beyond 1999.) http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/...amsM1A2SEP.pdf https://asc.army.mil/docs/pubs/alt/2...est_200101.pdf (2001 Another overview and analysis.) (In 2002 testing continues with minor issues, progress being made.) https://www.forecastinternational.co...DACH_RECNO=534 (2003 Commanders CITV. Cap. & Production Plan.) https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/wsh/22.pdf (2005 Conversion moves on it will be seen FOC not until Units in "PROGRAM STATUS" are fully equipped.) https://www.gd.com/news/press-releas...oved-sep-reset (2006 Last of M1 tanks to be upgraded to SEP expect 2009 final delivery to units for FOC.) http://id3486.securedata.net/fprado/...ite/abrams.htm https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com...updated-02834/ (After a 3rd/4th time or more, I've got a little more clarity on the date issue (Above 2 Refs in particular.) and I believe the M1A2 SEP V1 as noted under the M1A2 SEP V2 section. I'm starting to think what really happened here with most not reporting this version while a SMALL handful do is the program (M1A2 SEP V1) started and went straight into the M1A2 SEP V2 program. It is the only thing that makes sense here.) I fear there is more work here however, Don unless you have issue with anything posted so far, I really would like to be done with the ABRAMS. One of my Co-workers "KEN" was a Tank Commander of the M1A1 a year after they got fielded and fought in Iraq (Even had a picture of an Iraq soldier they captured.) he's retired Army and I had some questions for him. Anyway he told me when I once tried to get some info from Ft. Benning (Armor School) I went to the wrong base. I will try to contact the "home" of Army Armor in Ft. Knox. As some have already seen, I've done this before successfully concerning armor w/Austria, Australia and Germany. France did let me down concerning the 105mm issue (And what fun that was for Don and I!?!) we had. Anyway this has been hanging on my PC for over two days now it's time to get it off of here, I don't remember what my screen saver looks like!?! :eek: :shock: and awe! A final note did anyone notice a pattern with the Refs.? Just from what I posted was 12 yrs. for SEP to get into the field. Not bad when you consider ARJUN Mk I took over 30yrs. to get there! These things take time! Good something to you all, it's been a long day and the "Red Man" is down again! Regards, Pat :capt: |
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CORRECTION!!!!
This was my :doh: moment early this morning. See below for corrected version... USA/DELETE/M1A2 SEP V1/UNITS 318 & 649/SAVE THE PICTURE (UNIT 318) WE HAVE LATE MODEL ABRAMS "FLOATING IN THE SKY" THAT CAN USE IT// As it was originally posted UNIT 640 is the M551(CS) - sorry. One thing we like are pictures so... USA/CHANGE PICTURE/M1A2/UNIT 637/REPLACE WITH UNIT 318 PICTURE//I personally enjoyed that when Don let me get all those USN SKYHAWK pictures replaced mostly in Australia and Israel, F-105 for the Swiss. Also helos for Australia, Switzerland and all the countries that used the French SAR/SPEC OP helo we just updated a year or two ago with the missing MG's. That's almost relaxing compared to the rest! Don sorry for the "screwup" caught it while looking for the "floating tank" ABRAMS pictures. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Yeah, I figured out the 640 = 649 thing PDQ......
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I had saved and looked at about 5 each of the M1A1 AIM & MIA1 SA pictures and I have to be honest the one below will work for both as we've already done in the game. I've just not come across one like this with a river crossing with combat gear, soldiers good background all the elements are there.
USA/CHANGE/M1A2 SEP V2/UNITS 517 & 537/M1A1 AIM/UNIT 636/M1A1 SA/UNIT 886/DELETE CURRENT PICTURES/REPLACE WITH PICTURE AS SUBMITTED BELOW// Attachment 15666 Is there a reason why the pictures are so big when submitted on a post lately? Regards, Pat :capt: |
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The photo was interesting Pat but I found a better copy to work from
and that is a great photo of an Abrams it shows the photo was taken Dec 31 1995 so it's an Abrams a decade before the SEP |
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The IFOR stencil on the side skirts is a clue as to the date as well..
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That pic was taken 4 years and 5 months after I got out of the Army. We never used/had the yellow reflector tape and we never used a flag like that in the turret.
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I knew it was older picture I thought from around the late 80's very early 90's by the tank, uniforms and M-16, I just really liked the picture.
Maybe for some of the "older" tanks that have "dup" pictures? But thanks! Regards, Pat :capt: |
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It is a nice picture.
And the flag isn't attached, just the loader showing off a bit I'd guess ;) |
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And a fine job you did!! Looks good and I like it! I didn't even pay attention to the IFOR on the skirt. that puts the picture at Winter of 95/96. IFOR was replaced a year later by SFOR which ran a couple of years after my military retirement 04/05 I believe. Worked with a couple of guys that ended up over there. They told me that "Watch Your Step" had a whole new meaning over there.
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Why do I receive this every time after my session is timed out and it directs to log in again which I do and this message comes up...
Your submission could not be processed because you have logged in since the previous page was loaded. Please push the back button and reload the previous window. You do what it says and everything is gone. This time it was my fault because I copied the above message and with Win10 you can kiss your previous copy goodbye with no hope of recovery. You really don't want to know why I'm asking this question at this hour of the morning. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Pat the simple solution is to write your submission in your email program then when you are happy with it copy and paste into the forums and then you won't get timed out and lose things
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I appreciate it, it's just very aggravating is all. Will try to get that data out tomorrow morning after work tonight concerning the T-90S. I would find out thru SIPRI Uganda also received Russian T-55AM-2 tanks but I couldn't find them in the OOB, did I miss something? SIPRI did indicate they were transshipped via Belarus. I see the Czech's had one of that name, but these where to have been updated with Kontiak-5 etc. I will present an option from one of my Refs. concerning the matter if nothing else presents itself.
Thanks again, I just had to walk away and regroup and my focus is on today, it'll be a big one at work with a new guy on top of it. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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no AM-2's with Kontiak in the Uganda OOB but there will be once you fill me in on a date
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Sometime before 2013 it seems and they have seen better days......
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/attac...1&d=1549998038 ......and better maintenance...... |
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T-90S/T-90MS/T-55AM-2 status...
1. Have identified nine "bullet" info data points. Done 2. Identified all operators required changes. Done 3. India must confirm STEEL and HEAT why they are, what they are, go figure. :rolleyes: Can confirm T-90MS is wrong. For now I know the START is incorrect by at least three years, also need to confirm ERA I am sure it should reflect Reliak and not Kontiak-5. 4. UGANDA T-55AM-2 START 06/2010. The picture you last submitted made me immediately think ERA looks more like Kontiak-1 then Kontiak-5. Have a good source chosen for this will evaluate and send on my recommendation for you to evaluate with it. 5. I'm NOT going to wait on the T-90S India issue to resolve itself before the clock runs out on me if it can't be done quickly. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Please use the first picture!! Obviously UGANDA has some major maintenance issues, anyway more to follow, however I recommend for now the following:
UGANDA/ADD/T-55AM-2/COPY/RUSSIAN T-55AMV/UNIT 016/START 06/2010/DELETE ATGM/THEY DIDN'T ORDER IT//The T-55AMV was the next upgraded version in the T-55 series from it's predecessor the T-55AM-1. The ERA is definitely Kontaik-1 which is what the T-55AMV had. The only ATGM ordered between 2005-2017 was the advanced KORNET-E/START 01/2014 IF YOU'RE FEELING "FROGGY"!?!. It'll be reposted with more data when I submit the T-90 stuff. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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6/2010 is what I had already tentatively entered and I had not included ATGM. The ERA is single digit values now
I thought that second photo was great if you wanted a " well used" look. I will make a note not to buy second /third hand T-54/55's from Uganda......:D OTOH a master modeller could have a field day with that photo to work from |
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The T-90S is the export version of the Russian T-90. A total by this fall of 5 export countries will operate the T-90S India (Advanced type.), Algeria, Uganda, Iraq and this fall Vietnam (Standard type.) Data Points…
1. ROSOBOROEXPORT is the Russian State run military equipment sales unit. 2. The Night Vision specs for the base model are Detection Rng. 800m and Identification Rng. 700m. 3. ERA standard is Kontakt-5 and the numbers look right for this pkg. 4. All export units ordered have the SHTORA-1 “Soft Kill” System as far as I can tell. http://fofanov.armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/EQP/shtora.html 5. Standard equipped FCS does not support ATGM ops. 6. Only again, Russia and India have the advanced FCS/Optics the French made “CATHERINE”/”ESSA” systems and are capable of conducting ATGM ops. The first system is the same as used on the T-72 White Eagle tanks that Laos has just received, and is entered in the game for Nicaragua and Russia from someone, by someone else. 7. In my opinion the Ugandan T-90S is the closest to the standard I see, and will act as the base unit. 8. Where I used SIPRI for verification the time period was from 2005 – 2017 which covered all the issues involved. That raw information will be provided for each country below. 9. I’ve tried to verify a few times by now any evidence to support the fact that these other countries might be using one of the advanced systems as noted in #6 above, I’ve been unsuccessful in doing so. 10. START dates are good unless otherwise noted. UGANDA/CHANGE/T-90S/UNIT 031/EW 2 VIRSS vice 0/VISION 35 vice 30/MG 125mm D81T 00 vice 125mm Gun 00//The base. (44) T-90S Tank 2010 2011 44 IRAQ/ CHANGE/T-90S/UNIT 035/ EW 2 VIRSS vice 0/VISION 35 vice TI/GSR 40/DELETE M119M INVAR/FCS DOES NOT SUPPORT/FC 30 vice 35/STABILISER 5 vice 4/SURVIABILITY 5 vice 6// To further verify this I used SIPRI the only Russian ATGM imported by IRAQ was both the AT-6 & AT-14. ALGERIA/CHANGE/T-90S/UNIT 027/ EW 2 VIRSS vice 0/VISION 35 vice TI/GSR 40/DELETE M119M INVAR/FCS DOES NOT SUPPORT/FC 30 vice 35/STABILISER 5 vice 4/SURVIABILITY 5 vice 6//To further verify this I used SIPRI the only Russian ATGM imported by Algeria was both the AT-4 & AT-14. 185 T-90S Tank 2006 2006-2008 185 $1 b deal (120) T-90S Tank 2011 2012-2013 (120) $470 m deal (200) T-90S Tank (2014) 2015-2016 (200) NORTH VIETNAM/CHANGE/T-90S/UNIT 033/START 10/2019 vice 06/2018/ EW 2 VIRSS vice 0/VISION 35 vice TI/GSR 40/DELETE M119M INVAR/FCS DOES NOT SUPPORT/FC 30 vice 35/STABILISER 5 vice 4/SURVIABILITY 5 vice 6//First shipment arrived in Hanoi in 01/02/2019. To further verify this I used SIPRI and no Russian ATGM were imported by VIETNAM. 64 T-90S Tank 2017 Incl T-90SK version https://www.janes.com/article/85463/...ive-in-vietnam https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...t-can-do-40962 India will need further investigation I don’t understand why the STEEL and HEAT numbers do not match the above. I believe the current numbers are incorrect for the T-90S for India. INDIA/CHANGE/T-90MS/UNIT 039/START 01/2022 vice 01/2019//SIPRI has no data on contracts (See VIETNAM above showing contract date.) or this tank in the time period (2005-2017) noted above. I believe they were signed in the fall of 2018. But this is India who stopped the ARJUN Mk 2 for the “desire” to acquire this tank as far back as 2012. https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/indi...armour-1640749 (2016-No APS system mounted per above.) https://thediplomat.com/2017/01/indi...with-pakistan/ (2017-Still thinking about getting them.) https://www.defensenews.com/land/201...russian-tanks/ (2017 We’ll try to develop our own APS.) Then there’s nothing. I also checked almost 2yrs. worth of articles from BROADSWORD run by a retired Col. of the Indian Army and currently a reporter with a major Indian newspaper, with negative results. https://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/ Additional Refs. to support the above… http://weaponsystems.net/weaponsyste...0-%20T-90.html (General data at top of page worth overview look. Scroll down to the T-90A section read general descriptor, then click on each T-90A and T-90S tab with the focus being on “Night Vision” upper right.) http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/land-forces/tanks/t-90s/ (See para 7 not exactly a ringing endorsement of the onboard FCS optics. Again as demonstrated above except for India’s T-90S tanks, the others listed don’t have ATGM system support or even ordered them. Do note India is not “off the hook” on this matter. Those tanks will be treated as a separate issue, because after all, it is India and tanks we’re talking about here.) http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/land-forces/tanks/t-90ms/ (See para 2, note the use of “…multispectral sights…”, that is a ringing endorsement and I truly hope everyone understands why and what the difference means.) Bonus tank due to search of the above. UGANDA/ADD/T-55AM-2/COPY/RUSSIAN T-55AMV/UNIT 016/START 06/2010/DELETE ATGM/THEY DIDN'T ORDER IT//The T-55AMV was the next upgraded version in the T-55 series from its predecessor the T-55AM-1. The ERA is definitely Kontaik-1 which is what the T-55AMV had. Understand specs are ready for inclusion. (23) T-55AM-2 Tank 2009 2009 23 Second-hand; delivered via Belarus 1000 9M133 Kornet/AT-14 Anti-tank missile 2010 2012-2013(1000) Kornet-E version http://weaponsystems.net/weaponsyste...0-%20T-55.html Miscellaneous Refs. https://www.defencetalk.com/raytheon...-sensors-2307/ http://www.deagel.com/Armored-Vehicl...000516002.aspx http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/...15m1a2sep3.pdf http://www.benning.army.mil/Armor/eA...une2007web.pdf (A very good article on the differences between UK & USA Armor tactics and training.) Back to India later. :rolleyes: Regards, Pat :capt: |
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I also adjusted ( if required.... ) the ammo loads after the ATGM was removed and the armour values for the India ones have been harmonized with the others
ALSO............ you need to go back, check your notes then check what the game actually does and be clearer Quote:
I A**-U-ME you want 2 VIRSS in which case it needs to be reported as EW 4 (VIRSS) vice 0 This is sorta-kinda like " If they fire one, we'll fire one" " ONE FIRED SIR! " and " what we have here is a failure to communicate...." if you ask EW be 2 that's active CIWS-- writing EW 2 VIRSS isn't clear give the way the game is set up and the way this was reported I'm betting that was written late in the evening......:) Don |
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Passive EW 4, and to be honest you schooled me here, which is absolutely fine. I always manage to get the two confused, so as much as I'd like to blame it on that 2-3am in the morning my time, I can't at least not this time. I'm still going to look into that armor issue (India) for my own peace of mind but, I feel putting them in line with the rest will turnout not to be a premature move. I hope to post on my mystery tank later today after I look to see if there is any further news on it once I'm done here. I will follow-up with a "formal request" for Ukraine having gone operational with the JAVELIN-JV last June and Uganda with the KORNET-E as submitted in my last post above. I think I'm winding down. After the tank and those ATGM's, I have 2 pieces of SPA and 1 ammo supply unit for Brazil. The deal is done and units delivered. They will be units copied over from the USA which I have yet to identify what unit # they are. If you feel like doing and Icon, China put into service a "CAESAR" type SPA which is also in service now (Last few months.) recently. I have others in the arty world that will also basically be copied over from other OOB's. These arty issues can wait if you are "at the wall" sooner then what we talked about, just let me know. Thanks again for straightening me out, like I've always said "you never stop learning" and now with life's imparted wisdom, "if you do, you'll stop listening" anyway just let me know and thanks again. Time for a little research before bed. To all a GOOD MORNING, AFTERNOON or NIGHT! Isn't our Global reach Great!! Regards, Pat :capt: |
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https://www.army-technology.com/projects/kornet/ OPERATORS Russia, Syria, Jordan, UAE, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, India, Morocco, Algeria and Greece some we have already in the game.........some we don't. I am looking into that now. The Saudi's, in the game anyway, do not have infantry ATGM teams in the game they are either lumped in as Inf AT or mounted on vehicles so I'm looking into what they may have attached the Kornet to......... and Wiki claims Eritrea had 80 Kornet-E's were delivered in 2005 quoting Sipri as the source and there is considerably more listed and sourced on that list including the Iran and NK knock-offs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9M133_Kornet <sigh.......> I think I see where my day is headed...... Don |
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Sorry for opening a "can of worms" leave it go I'll make a quick search of it using SPIRI data base so you can keep on whatever else you're doing. The database covers every class of weapons to include ammunition.
Regards, Pat :capt: |
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First off this is not here to piss anyone off. This is to finish what I started because that's what I do, in fixing the Russian T-90S export situation as posted in this Thread on Page #88/Post #879 from that post...
"India will need further investigation I don’t understand why the STEEL and HEAT numbers do not match the above. I believe the current numbers are incorrect for the T-90S for India." UNGANDA/T-90S/UNIT 031/AS REVISED on Page #88/Post #879/THIS IS THE BASELINE T-90S MODEL// SIPRI data supplied as reference points to support the timeframe of the below. These are from Russia to India. India also "kit" builds their own T-90S Series UNITS. India is the largest user of the T09S Series tanks. FOR INDIA... INDIA/CHANGE/T-90S BHISHMA/UNIT 036/START JUN 2002 vice JAN 2004/VISION 35 vice TI/GSR 40/NO EW INDIA DID NOT ORDER SHORTORA-1/CHANGE/FC**STABILSER**SURVIABILITY**STEEL**HEAT PER REVISED UGANDIAN UNIT 031 AS SUBMITTED (UNDERSTAND STEEL & HEAT DONE)// SIPRI 310 T-90S Tank 2001 2001-2006 (310) $600-700 m deal (incl 55% advance payment); reaction on Pakistani acquisition of 320 T-80UB tanks; 186 assembled from kits in India INDIA/CHANGE/T-90S+BHISHMA/UNIT 037/NO EW INDIA DID NOT ORDER SHORTORA-1/SURVIABILITY**STEEL**HEAT PER REVISED UGANDIAN UNIT 031 AS SUBMITTED (UNDERSTAND STEEL & HEAT DONE)//These would represent the ones equipped with FRENCH THALES "CATHERINE" TI/GSR and supported FCS integration equipment. INDIA/ADD/T-90M BHISHMA/COPY CURRENT INDIA T-90S+BHISHMA/UNIT037/START JUN 2010/ADD/EW SWEDDISH LEDS-150 APS 3 SHOTS/MG 125mm 2A46M-5 Rapira vice 125mm D81T 88/FC 45 vice 40/STABLISER 5 vice 4/ERA 16/16/0/16/16/0/16 KANCHAN ERA vice current 14 KONTAKT 5 ERA//All other current numbers for the "copied" UNIT 037 especially in the STEEL and HEAT areas are good as the armor package was improved for this version. SIPRI 347 T-90S Tank 2007 2008-2012 (347) INR49 b ($1.2 b) deal; incl 223 assembled in India INDIA/CHANGE/T-90MS/UNIT 039/NAME T-90MS BHISHMA II vice T-90MS/DATE CHANGE ALREADY SUBMITTED PER Page #88/Post #879// http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/mo...0S_Bhishma.php http://tanknutdave.com/indian-t90-bhishma-tank/ INDIA/CHANGE/ARGUN Mk II & ARGUN Mk II+/UNITS 022 & 023/START JAN 2023 vice CURRENT// I really don't think these will make it in the game at all in the "RW". I would say DELETE them, however, in India things "can change on a dime" This completes the T-90S Series fixes. If these don't get in this year it's OK, AFTERALL this is INDIA we're talking about!?! :rolleyes: :shock: My mission is complete and my word is kept per the top para 2. I just want to point out the whole ABRAMS, T-90S M109 SPA issues happened by accident. The valid USMC M1A1 FEP (Suhiir thank you!) was a valid issue that needed to be addressed. However going back to the to the rest they started with valid issues as well the T-90S for VIETNAM I think it was and the M109A5/A5+ for BRAZIL. We would find that in most cases, the issues stemmed from already game entered equipment errors from when Andy and Don "took over control" of the game, misidentified photos that were submitted which caused if you will "UNIT confusion and misinformation", equipment submitted based on Prototype and or Initial Low Rate production dates instead of FOC (In some cases I would've been THRILLED if they used IOC dates because they were that XXXXXX XX, i.e. M109A6 PALIDAN WAS OVER 10 YEARS EARLY) and not to Pontificate :angel: :rolleyes: on the issue I will just end with plain laziness in not checking sources. It's been a good year, it would've been more enjoyable and fruitful equipment wise if we didn't have so much rework to do. I hope you all have a great weekend!! :D For CINCLANTHOME and myself it'll be "Play Ball" on Spring Trng Opening Day!! :cool: GOOD NIGHT where ever you are!! Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Thank you, there is a lot of work to be done in the ORBAT issues.
I dont have much time to help, if I would it would take some 3 months to give information. Its disapointing to play a Pakistan-India scenario and lost to India with weapons they dont have. Thanks |
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Thank You.
I've stated it many times and the body of work represents I feel, a "world view" of the game. The Pakistani and Indian situation represents one of the top three flashpoints in the world. Also it represents the one with the greatest risk of potentially going nuclear. Pakistan is looking into a multi-national tank deal with the Ukraine for the OPLOT-P (Improved OPLOT-M version.), China for the VT-4 and Turkey for the ALTAY. For themselves from a source (Global Security)... "The Al Khalid tank is based on the Chinese Norinco Type-90-II Main Battle Tank (MBT). This is a Pakistani built tank, all of it except its engine is made in Pakistan. The engine is a Ukrainian one." They've had strong ties with China and the Ukraine for a very long time. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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First images of M1A2C with Active Protection Systems:
https://defence-blog.com/army/u-s-ar...n-systems.html The U.S. Army on Friday released the first detailed images of the next version of the Abrams tank with active protection systems. The new images – made at U.S Army Yuma Proving Ground revealed the M1A2C Abrams main battle tank with the Rafael Advanced Defence Systems-developed Trophy HV hard-kill active protection systems (APSs). The M1A2C (also know as M1A2 SEPv3) is the latest variant of Abrams tanks in production, which concluding testing at the Yuma Proving Ground, one of the largest military installations in the world. This version rectifies many of the space, weight and power issues identified during Operation Iraqi Freedom and will be the foundational variant for all future incremental upgrades. In addition to having improved survivability, the Abrams M1A2C can host any mature technology the Army deems operationally relevant. Improvements focus on increasing the electrical power margin, Vehicle Health Management Systems, integrated counter-improvised explosive device protection, a new Auxiliary Power Unit, embedded training and an ammunition data link. It is the most reliable Abrams tank ever produced, will decrease the Army’s logistic burden, and leads the Army in enterprise-level connectivity to maintenance and supply systems. The M1A2C is equipped Trophy APS that eliminates enemy threats, such as rocket propelled grenades and anti-tank guided missiles. The Israeli government first developed the Trophy technology and the U.S. Army began developing the system for the Abrams about two years ago. Production of the system would be a collaboration between General Dynamics Land Systems, Leonardo DRS and Rafael Advanced Defense Systems Ltd. General Dynamics Land Systems is the Abrams tank Original Equipment Manufacturer; Rafael is the Original Equipment Manufacturer of the Trophy Active Protection System and is in partnership with Leonardo DRS. |
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It looks to me that they also added a "glacis" applique plate to the frontal turret armor of the M1A2 as well...
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https://defence-blog.com/news/turkey...on-system.html
It's already assumed on the Altay and perhaps put on other tanks as well but the Altay development mirrors the Arjun....it may happen.....someday |
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See Post 844/Pg. 85(?) on APS current status last ref. from Jan 19, 2019 shows successful test. Money is forth coming for more systems and start of Low Rate Production. But again the SEP V3 is still in OPEVAL Status with our latest FOC date already submitted in the same Post above I believe that this might include APS testing in this process, but not likely since that post refers to the manufacturers testing. I would expect we’ll see the MBT first again hopefully as resubmitted again.
I’m getting that “What are you doing look”, I’ll just wish everyone a good night and go back on vacation. Regards, Pat |
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When I saw this I about had a "heart attack" that they did this so quietly without word leaking out is amazing in it's own right, however, INDIA knowing I've been watching and being critical of them must have done this to show me what they can do and shut me up!?! :rolleyes: :D
What they've apparently done is, I believe and pending further research, is taken the top 14 of the over 96 improvements the ARMY demanded DRDO to make for the ARJUN Mk 2 to come up with the ARJUN Mk 1-A going into production (118) this year with the trials completed. And the ARMY said OK!?! Somebody must've got "somebody drunk" or something!?! https://www.armyrecognition.com/febr...dian_army.html I know what it was, they saw my last post finishing out the T-90S tank issue ending it with INDIA, that they were so happy with it that this was my reward for all those years I've been covering INDIA for the game, I'm truly honored by this!?! :o :cool: :D ;) I should've started sooner with the very first MBT Post, maybe they would've inducted the full ARJUN Mk 2!?! by now :doh: Oh Well, take what you can get, I suppose. I think I'll celebrate my victory with a very good and loud 4K movie, that'll make CINCLANTHOME happy!! Regards, Pat :capt: |
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THIS IS MORE ABOUT CLEANING OUT MY FILES...
The next two are files I used also in sorting through the in game ABRAMS issues encountered which Don has well in hand now. The first one is the most important one focusing on the M1A2 SEP V3/M1A2C, what's important about is how closely it's tracking in the "RW" and was a key ref. in the submitting of the revised FOC date. I don't know how I didn't post it then. https://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports...15m1a2sep3.pdf http://tanknutdave.com/the-us-abrams-series/ Also Vietnam is wasting no time in starting training on the first batch of T-90S tanks it received this last January. I'd say for the time being, the revised FOC date submitted is right on track. https://www.armyrecognition.com/febr...tle_tanks.html I can't believe they're still using the T-34/85 in an operational status. And finally for the M1A1 FEP, another that got away that was useful in helping establish a timeline for this tank... https://www.defencetalk.com/raytheon...-sensors-2307/ This last I don't remember if I posted it or not, I believe what I did post was the USMC assessment as an add on to the M1A1 FEP submission, anyway, here's the "Full Monty" if your in curious sort of state. Again this from a well respected "Think Tank". https://www.heritage.org/military-st...military-power Regards, Pat :capt: |
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UNITS Unit# 140 F/A-18A Hornet - Dates 07/83-06/89, Speed=19, Vision=25, Weapon#2 215 HE=2, Weapon#3 209 HE=2, Weapon#4 200 HE=2 Unit# 141 F/A-18C Hornet - Dates 07/89-06/118, Radio=90, Vision=40 Unit# 142 F/A-18C Hornet - Dates 07/89-06/118, Vision=40, Weapon#2 200 HE=3, Weapon#3 185 HE=3 Unit# 143 EA-6Bic Prowler - Dates 03/98-06/109 Unit# 149 F/A-18C Hornet - Rename "F/A-18D Hornet", Dates 07/89-12/125, Vision=40, Weapon#2 199 HE=4, Weapon#3 199 HE=4 Unit# 216 F/A-18A+ Hornet (NEW UNIT - Copy of Unit# 140) - Dates 01/90-06/118, Speed=19, Vision=25, Weapon#2 213 HE=2, Weapon#3 0 HE=0, Weapon#4 0 HE=0 Unit# 219 F/A-18D Hornet - UC=223, Dates 07/89-12/125, Radio=90, Vision=40, Weapon#2 185 HE=3, Weapon#3 203 HE=3, Weapon#4 185 HE=3 Unit# 574 F-35B Ltng II - Dates 07/118-12/125, EW=11 Unit# 575 F-35B Ltng II - Dates 07/118-12/125, EW=11 Unit# 583 F-35C Ltng II - Dates 07/118-12/125 Unit# 584 F-35C Ltng II - Dates 07/118-12/125, EW=10 Unit# 585 F-35B Ltng II - Dates 07/118-12/125, EW=10, Weapon#2 178 HE=13, Weapon#3 178 HE=13 Unit# 586 F-35B Ltng II - Dates 07/118-12/125, Speed=15, EW=10 Unit# 587 EF-35C Ferret - Dates 07/118-12/125, Speed=18, EW=13, Weapon#2 194 HE=2, Weapon#3 197 HE=2, Weapon#4 197 HE=2 Unit# 592 F-35B Ltng II - Dates 07/118-12/125, EW=10 Unit# 593 F-35B Ltng II - Dates 07/118-12/125, EW=10 Unit# 594 F-35B Ltng II - Dates 07/118-12/125, EW=10 Unit# 904 F/A-18A Hornet - Rename "F/A-18B Hornet", Vision=25, Dates 07/83-12/89, Speed=19, Weapon#2 199 HE=3, Weapon#3 199 HE=3 Unit# 905 F/A-18C Hornet - Rename "F/A-18D Hornet", Dates 07/89-12/125, Vision=40, Weapon#2 209 HE=4, Weapon#3 208 HE=4, Weapon#4 208 HE=4 Unit# 931 F/A-18E Hornet - Rename "F/A-18F Hornet*", Radio=91 Unit# 932 F/A-18E Hornet - Rename "F/A-18E Hornet*", Radio=91 Unit# 933 F/A-18F Hornet - Rename "F/A-18E Hornet*", UC=223, LBM=13344, Dates 03/112-06/118, Radio=91, Weapon#2 178 HE=13, Weapon#3 178 HE=13, Weapon#4 0 HE=0 Unit# 936 F/A-18B Hornet (NEW UNIT - Copy of Unit# 904) - Speed=19, Vision=25, Dates 07/83-12/89, Weapon#2 209 HE=2, Weapon#3 208 HE=3, Weapon#4 208 HE=3 Unit# 940 E/A-18G Growler - LBM=56017, Dates 07/109-12/128 Hope you're happy :eek: (( Thanks )) |
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:mean::mean::mean:And those will be the LAST changes we make. Just changing the first three aircraft on that list BUGGERED 6 SCENARIOS !!
AND 2 CAMPAIGNS !! :mean: :mean: :mean: :mean: What EXACTLY is the road to HELL paved with ??? |
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There was a "meeting of the minds" I will simply leave it as that with a BIG Thank You to Don.
This Thread has always meant "Homeplate" to me and I'm grateful to get back to business here. I will be adapting some format changes to this and the other Threads I post on along the lines of one of my best resources, Defense Industry Daily (DID) in the way their articles are formatted. My first will one back will deal with the OPLOT-M early campaign performance and something I've not seen the AI do in the multiple x many campaigns I've played as Ukraine vs. Russia over the years, nothing bad, just different in it's (AI) MBT picks I've seen in my current campaign. Don again thank you! Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Concerning the Ukrainian OPLOT-M I will first start with a question.
When I have put together my "core" units in a generated campaign (I always normally assign the AI as many points as I allocate for myself.), does the AI in picking it's units have "intel" on the likely units I have or possibly will operate with? Or is it simply the "law of averages" has finally caught up to me? I've often wondered about this but, to be honest, I never gave it any thought until what I saw in my current long campaign Ukraine vs. Russia first two games (2nd still in play.) a change in it's MBT picks as will be addressed below last. First to the platitudes and they are well deserved. I long suspected the OPLOT-M wasn't performing as it should especially as it's listed in so many "Top 10" lists worldwide concerning MBT's. Bottom-line, my tanks were getting killed at a ratio of 3:1 as the testing would prove as well on average. The main opponent and most of the time ONLY MBT was the Russian T-72B3/B4 one of the best tanks we've entered into this game. It was right from the start as it is now.. The issues were...ARMOR/ERA/STABILISER/AMMO and the KOMBAT ATGM. KOMBAT though looked (3 times that I'm aware of.) at by Don and as I suspected also, was working as it should. For more see Pg. 82 Post 813 through Pg. 85 Post 842 of my final thoughts and changes proposed in my submission to fix the OPLOT-M. I'm a reference "nut" though some might use a different word or set of words to describe me. ;) The following were my references I'm indebted to them all for assisting me on such short notice and as the submission clock was winding down, or so I (And Don.) thought at the time. :rolleyes: They are Aeraaa, jivemi, John (Imp), zovs66 and of course Don. THANK YOU all for your patience, time, efforts and conclusions. The payoff...Submitted my recommendations in the last post as noted above./Don accepted them as submitted./Added to the OOB's (Thailand's would get about 3 changes as well.)./Verified as submitted. Game results achieved my first marginal victory in the first game of this series of campaigns. Always set to "HARD". Notable events were my first hit probabilities now reflect the refs. at 94% so the Stabilizer adjustment is (I couldn't resist the next.) "dead on target". The Armor and ERA adjustments are also working as discussed in the refs. and as for all items, as noted over the years. Though discussed in the posts, I have no idea if the KBA-3 MG or ammo were adjusted. I'm finally getting kills I never got even with KOMBAT though, only against one tank. I'm not over confident, I have also adjusted some tactics as discussed during the evaluations, however they alone cannot overcome the fact that the OPLOT-M is finally acting like a Top 10 tank should, it has finally arrived. Now to the "why" of the lead in question above at the start. The direct peer Russian MBT is the T-90A/T-90M/T-90MS as later articles suspect for the latter two as well. The cited OPLOT-M advantages are overall are in STEEL (Turret built for the OPLOT not the standard T-84 one.)/ERA/FCS. First game I have in my "core" 6 OPLOT-M tanks the Russian AI had on the field 4 T-72B3/B4 tanks and here's where the difference is now, 2 T-90A tanks that I've never seen on the field vs Ukraine before and 1 T-72M(?) newer version that I got my KOMBAT kill with. AI set to tank heavy though with plenty of artillery, mortars, infantry (foot) and those "darn" ATGM teams it ALWAYS likes to buy!?! I actually thought to myself, Where did those T-90 tanks come from? Just thought it unusual is all. Before I move on the Ukrainian JAVELIN as entered is operating as it should as well. Now for FYI and concerning Russia. Given the topic or event from this first ref. and it represents others I found, what's NOT mentioned in it? There are a variety of possible reasons I could list, however since the first prototype was unveiled, it hasn't missed a "May Day" event. The second reports the Russian tanks buys for this year, that above item is missing here as well, as published in January. https://www.armyrecognition.com/apri...ry_parade.html https://www.armyrecognition.com/janu...s_in_2019.html It's good to be "home". Regards, Pat :capt: |
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The game does not "know" what you are buying. its purchase routine is based solely on its picklist and radio codes influenced in part by its random number generator
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Nice vid on modern tank armor and ammo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0p_Rr6gUtM |
Re: MBT's
Some of this is updates, news etc. I haven't had much time to deal with game issues since the end of February and next Friday I'll have a better idea in the direction we'll be heading. So during this moment I'll endeavor to bring some of the world tank issues up to date the best I can and clean up some files as I go.
When I submitted the T-90 submissions for the last patch, I came across this, but am not sure if I posted it or not. I "tagged it" for the Algerian T-90 tanks and others that were actually equipped with them. SHTORA-1 is still a very viable system and this just has some good data points to it. http://fofanov.armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/EQP/shtora.html BULGARIA: Attributed to JANE's, they look to be upgrading some of their T-72M1 tanks. My impression is this will be focused more on improving the FCS based on the info below. Usually when you get into LRF issues other components of a FCS will need to upgraded as well generally speaking. My assessment this will be accomplished by mid 2020 at latest. https://armyrecognition.com/december..._vehicles.html https://www.janes.com/article/85139/...its-t-72-tanks FRANCE: I think it very possible we might see this next tank as early as mid to late 2022, though I feel mid 2023 might be more realistic. Someone needs to start a "pool" here!?! Anyway these refs. I'll be holding onto as I see them as actionable down the road. https://www.armyrecognition.com/augu...2019-2025.html https://www.armyrecognition.com/main..._10704171.html GERMANY/NETHERLANDS: This one I forgot about, the LEOPARD 2A6MA2 this represents the first fully digital LEO 2A6 tank. They reached FOC it seems last Summer of 2018, but more data is needed before submission is done, especially concerning any other new capabilities. https://www.army-technology.com/news...-battle-tanks/ The next concerns the upgrading of LEO A6 to the LEOPARD 2A7V currently planned for 2026. Germany is unlike some other countries that come to mind right now, I feel there is a possibility of seeing this tank at some point in 2025 even if only for a few months or less. As always I'll be watching for further developments. https://www.armyrecognition.com/marc...mmunition.html Why I saved this escapes at this moment, as I submitted several posts on this tank a few years back, I haven't had the time to check the OOB, but I suspect possibly it never got in it in the first place. Another possibility is that this Ref. wasn't available OR it has been updated given the date of it as 19 May 2019. FOC was in 2014/2015. https://www.armyrecognition.com/germ...res_video.html HUNGARY: This next is a TANK!! Yes they are getting (Contracts are signed.) the LEOPARD 2A7+ along with a couple of other armored vehicles. I'm really feeling FOC 2021 on this deal. We'll see. https://www.armyrecognition.com/dece...o_hungary.html Last one as I'm in a post shower relaxed state after a "lovely" day in the "field" making rounds in this 100+ degree Spring Day!! SOUTH KOREA: This concerns the K2 which the Turkish ALTAY is based from and the Russians wish some of the ARMATA was too!! Well maybe not, however, though they solved the transmission issue FINALLY after two years+, this is one of the reasons I'm still not sure we'll see the other two tanks in the game. I posted this when it happened without a "whimper" from the "audience", am I the only one that doesn't find it strange the Russian didn't include the ARMATA in the last May Day parade? Especially after being in the previous 3 or 4 since it appeared as a prototype. To me this is good and we haven't heard a "peek" about the ARMATA in several months now since they acknowledged they were having several technical issues with it. https://www.armyrecognition.com/may_...ear_delay.html The good news is at least they're getting 106 more then originally planned for as they're concerned someone wants to draw down our forces there because we're such good friends with the North now. https://www.armyrecognition.com/febr...rean_army.html K1 to K1A1 anyone!?! The thing here is to watch for the end of service life of the K1. https://www.armyrecognition.com/marc...k1a2_mbts.html Done we have a busy week ahead of us so until next time, have a great week everyone one!! Regards, Pat :capt: |
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