Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

LMAO...

Just how did you "learn" it? From being manhandled by all these young "whippersnappers" or just having grey hair.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

LOL Get thee to an optometrist! That's "earned" not "learned"! LOL

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yep... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif .</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">(Spotlight shines on tbontob.)

Who me? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yep... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif .</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">(Spotlight shines on tbontob.)

Who me? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, you and Grandpakim.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

King Title Defense III: Stone Mill vs. Rex Torres

::: In the antechamber of the command center Graceland, The King poses in front of his sickeningly ornate gold-trimmed mirror, flashing wicked poses with his head slightly cocked and his index fingers extended. He is suddenly interrupted by the "Colonel."

"Sir, there is another challenger in the quadrant. And it it ghastly--- he... he... he already calls himself "Rex."

Elvis drops his glance, almost revealing the tops of his eyes behing his sunglasses. "So how does that peel my banana, baby?"

"Rex means 'King' sir. Can you imagine the gaul?"

"Now juss hold on a minute, Colonel--- there is one King around here. We need to send him back...
Re-turn to Sender... Ad-dress unknown... " :::

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

Oh dear. Stone Mill has gone over the edge....

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

LOL http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

That's what happens with most bad Elvis impersonators. A very bad case of EPD (Elvis Personality Disorder): The spirit of the dead? King takes over and his own personality disapear.

Well known disease, previously most common in Las Vegas, but now obviously spread to the greater Atlantic City area.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Strangely enough, small pockets of infections have taken root all around the world. You haven't lived till you've seen German and Japanese with the disease.

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We need to check Stone Mill's closet for blue suede shoes. If we find any I think that it's grounds for immediete commitment to the Memphis branch of the Betty Ford clinic specializing in EPD recovery.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Did you ever see "El Vez", the Mexican Elvis? He's great. His big hit, and I am not making this up, was "En el Barrio".

Geoschmo

[ May 06, 2003, 15:13: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Did you ever see "El Vez", the Mexican Elvis? He's great. His big hit, and I am not making this up, was "En el Barrio".

Geoschmo</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Can't say I have. If he's really good, then he MUST have made it to (what's that town called...) Branson (?), Missouri...another town heavily hit by a similar entertainment-type disease.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

well i made it to turn 60.. after losing the homeworld in the first 10 turns... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Do you mean you surrendered to Krsqk?

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::: Hey Now, Bossman.. Don't BE cruel. Why, yes baby, the Blue Suede Shoes are lookin mighty fine!

But the King ain't crazy- I'm just All Shook Up! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif :::

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hmmmm.....that's a thought. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

If we can't beat him fairly and squarely in the game, we can use other means to dethrone him. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Just joking. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

The fact that he has successfully defended the throne a number of times, IMO entitles him to put on airs.

If only we should be so lucky or so good at playing the game.

Now if he should happen to cross-dress or do something more outrageous to denigrate, smear or otherwise bring into ill-repute the royal events which are taking place at this site, I might be convinced otherwise (with a pistol shoved in my face). http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

The EEEvil EEEmpirehas forced Gecko's SpaceSharks into surrendering after 140 turns. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
I would love to take the credit for Victory but full credit goes to Gecko who had the advantage the entire game and was only let down by his Empire Setup.
The EEEvil EEEmpire destroyed every fleet the SharpSharks could put together by training and racial abilities, but didn't have the resources to take the attack forward until the late game.
Whoever is next matched for Gecko's SpaceSharks, beware, I've given him some Racial tips. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">A pretty good summary - with the caveat that Grazic pseudo-surrendered to me earlier in the game... I had him psychologically defeated at one point. Either way, we both got a lot of enjoyment out of the game, which is the whole point.

Gecko

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

"pseudo-surrendered" - I like the sound of that, but I'll stick with my story line that it was "the insane plan of the insane EEEvil EEEmperor Grazic".
I'm still not sure what happened, I 'thought' I clicked on Surrender, but I guess PBW was helping me win and didn't accept my submission. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
Good luck next game.

Asmala, Who is up next for us both?

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">As you can see at KOTH page there isn't an opponent to either of you. However a new player is interested about this tournament so if he decides to join then there is an opponent to Gecko. Even if the new player won't join there is quite nice number of games runnig so I think you won't have to wait very long.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

Speaking of games finishing...

I gave an update on my game with Dreico on May 3rd...5 days ago. Since then, his turn submissions have gotten even slower (if one can believe that http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif ) with only 3 turns submitted (and that includes the Last half of the weekend).

I sure hope I don't have one of those people who lose interest when they start losing the game.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

as soon as i think i have lost i surrender

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

Update on my game with Rambie. Our turns have been getting more regular, usually 2 turns a day now. I have the obvious advantage in this game, I feel pretty confident that I will pull off the win but you never know what he may have hiding behind his border systems. We are at turn 95 and still no one has made a charge into enemy systems, although that will soon change in the coming turns. The Raging Ragnarok Empire shall prevail against its hated enemy! (Hey, I have to sound confident to keep my troops moral up right? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif )

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hehe, yeah, ask Primitive. He had his "monster" fleet run over about 2 planets and a through a warphole (I think) and I cashed it in!

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hooray! Hooray! (2 turns tonight for my KOTH game). http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Do you mean you surrendered to Krsqk?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, I was cursed with overcautiousness, and failed to press my advantage. By the time I rebuilt my fleet, he had mined me into about a tenth of the quadrant. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif I researched mines and finally swept his field only to find a slew of sats on the other side. He's a resourceful player, and now he's in first place (not sure by how much--how many planets do you have, tesco?) for the time being. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

Slynky, what turn are you on?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Turn 66, I think. Or else it's 2406.6. Or something like that.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

That was a gambit by me... I figured out the map while your were working on the homeworld... I had mines in 2 turns so i just took the hit on the homeworld for the exchange of blocking you in to 7 systems. Since you only had duc on your ships i knew that csm 1 ships could counter your ships then i could block the warp points and mine them. then drop the sats on them. Since there were only 3 to worry about. And then expand into the open systems in the background. I have a few planets.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Yea I used the homeworld as bait... And funny thing is that it only hurt for about 10 turns... Then i was fine.

See you soon http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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turn 65 K.O.T.H. Tescosamoa vs Krsqk
Krsqk surrenders.

Move Tesco up.

Thank you for the game Krsqk. I had to think quickly and very differently as your an aggressive player who attacks attacks attacks.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

Well, I've officially surrendered to tesco. My fleet expected more ships and/or fewer sats. My missile ships with PDC also didn't target the sats, although they were specifically directed to. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif Anyway, a great game by tesco, and I've learned much from it. Next opponent on the bottom, please? Maybe one who's 0-10? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

Well, let me give you an update for gandalph vs sparhawk.

We did meet very early in the game, losing ships on both sides.
I had some missiles on my ships that got some ship of gandalph, but very soon gandalph had researched point defence weapons and I lost some ships.
He started very early with spreading mines through some keys point. But I was luckily in time to occupy some strategic warp point. I think that we are now at the point that colony ships/mine layer ship are leaving the ship yards fast to spread throught the galaxy.
Its now turn 4.7 and things are starting to be fixed. Minefields are placed and a concentration point of two fleets are fixed to one system. Gandalph with some planets there and me on a warp point. Hopefully he gives me some time to build-up my forces http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Sparhawk

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

I have never been able to get PDC to fire on sats in strategic games. I think it's a bug. I think the target has to be moving for the PDC to fire on it. You can use PDC against sats in tactical though.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I've seen them fire at mine before. PD's, right?

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The problem with ordering a PD ship to attack sats is that it must have another weapon that can target the sats that will bring it into PD range. The earlier example was a missile ship, missiles can't target sats so as far as the game was concerned it was just like having a PD ship with no offensive weapons.

Hope this helps! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's probably it.

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Okay, that explains it. Thanks for the help. Not that it was a game-buster or anything; Tesco just out-quicked me (is that a word? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ) when it counted.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">In my experience, either the target or the atacker must be moving before PDC will fire.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">In my experience, either the target or the atacker must be moving before PDC will fire.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have never had a problem attacking sats with PDC's in a strategic game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

The PDC's were on ships, so the ships (the attackers) would be moving.

As Nodachi has mentioned, I too have another weapon on board so as the ship will move towards the sats and bring it's PDC's to bear.

EDITED to give proper credit to Nodachi.

[ May 10, 2003, 06:30: Message edited by: tbontob ]

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

I think the problem was that it was a warp point battle--I came through and destroyed the one ship the missiles would target pretty quickly. The missile ships were moving, all right--away from the sats. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Had there been any ships further away, I'm sure they would have moved past the sats and got some shots in. Not enough to make much difference, but some.

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K.O.T.H. Gecko vs Mark

Game has not started. I have tried to contact Mark via email but have not had any response for a couple of days.

Asmala, can we put a time limit on how long I have to wait? If Mark does not respond, can I have a game with the next open player? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

Thats why i put the one ship in there with the sat's. As I figured you kept the default targeting priorities... That way the Sat's got 2 shots before your weapons would target them....

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

I have created a map pack called KOTHMAPS1 over on PBW. There are 25 KOTH Sized Maps for us to use. Each map has 4 random starting positions.

I would like to start to use these maps as they will make sure that us players have at least 2 systems between homeworlds.

These maps are seiv stock. and can be played with up to 4 players.

Or get it here

1052580575.zip

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

While I think your efforts are admiral:

(1) The maps are editable so anyone one playing on one can see everything.

(2) Starting next to someone is part of the chances. Keeps people on edge.

('course, that's just a newbie's opinion... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif )

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Added:

Of course, I don't think that would prevent two players in a match-up to agree to using one of them.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It would be very difficult to know for sure which map you are on from your starting position. And even if you could figure it out it would be impossible to know for sure where the enemy is. They could be in any one of three places. doesn't give you much of an advantage really if at all.

Geoschmo

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It would be very difficult to know for sure which map you are on from your starting position. And even if you could figure it out it would be impossible to know for sure where the enemy is. They could be in any one of three places. doesn't give you much of an advantage really if at all.

Geoschmo</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I disagree. (what's new, right http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

Set up a sample game (I'll just throw a neutral empire together) and you pick one of the 25 maps and I'll tell you which it is. Having done that, which I'm pretty confident about, I'll know where all the good planets are near me and be able to judge with fair ability how far I can go before I need to get worried. No need to play it...just want to show you what I mean.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

see that would require you to memorize all 25 maps... Plus start position is on empty space so the home system will be different each time. by one planet. Also this is the first pack. I plan on having 100 maps done down the road. I do not think someone will take the time to memorize all the maps. And they are just a variation of KOTH. And the maps are designed so they can be used by the ladder later. To know a map is one thing. But I do not think it will help. as you have to beat the player. This just helps on equal footing.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

Slynky, I think you are overrating the value of knowledge of the map. I agree with Tesco, that's not nearly as important as knowledge of the enemy positions. And it would be a simple matter really to make more maps. At some point (100, 200?) you will have enough that figuring out exactly which map you are on is really not worth the effort it takes to do it.

Geoschmo

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

I'm overrating the value of knowing the map? Then why do people use the Ancient trait? Both your team and ours did it in the challenge map.

Also, it doesn't require memory. I can run through the 25 maps easily in the editor looking for the name of my home system. Then compare the planets in the home system with the map editor to see if it matches. Bingo. I know where all the good planets are. All the links that go nowhere, etc.

So, I respectfully disagree. Even if there were 100 maps (a LOT of work on Tesco's part!), it wouldn't take much more than 30 minutes to open each one, click on the 4 orange systems to look for one's name till a match was found.

NOW, having said that, I may not play much more than above average. But I do recognize when I'm standing in the way of a storm. So, since it seems like I'm the only dissenting voice, I will move to the next question:

What will be the rule if one player wants one of Tesco's maps and the other doesn't? Be it Ladder or KOTH.