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Yes I know, but at least you get rid of those tiering longbows. I prefer to be blasted by sorcery over shot by an arrow any day. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Just kidding of course.

Re: Conceptual Balance (Discussion)
 

MA races with longbows(off the top of my head)
Pangaea, Shin. Bandar Log, Man.

Better than longbows(at times)

Tien Chi has the composite bows, Maragon crossbows, Ulm arbalests, and ap bows are not commonly found among indies. Ulm's arbalest are also better infantry than many so called infantry.

And later in game, arrow fend can neutralize missile troops to a large degree, so you cannot always rely on them.

My only point is, not to argue with anyone, is that some races likely could use some adjusting with their capital only troops.

As for thematics , just change the description of Ulm's keep to say "In Ulm's Keep, the heart of Ulm, the FIRST Lord Guardians and Guardians were trained."

For Man, "The Knights of Avalon, loyal to the Mother of Avalon, fight alongside her." As you know, the Mother of Avalon can be recruited at all castles, so it is no less thematic to allow the KOA to be recruited all over either.

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I understand. However, being able to recruit elite units everywhere kind of takes away their charm for me. It feels so gamey somehow, even if you make it realistic within the fantasy world by adding premises to why you are able to do it.

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And I agree 100 percent with the earlier discussions on changing the luck events.

A lucky event should never be a bad thing. Getting militia usually is a bad thing. Having faith decrease in favor of growth is at best a break even event(the game is called dominions), and having a witch curse your troops for gems is a bad event if your pretender or key unit gets cursed.

I think the events getting troops should be quality troops that most would want. And I think events where people move into the province should be much more common. It seems there is an obsession (with events, spells, themes, high taxes, patrolling) in general with lowering the population. And there are few ways to increase the population of a province.

So more luck events boosting population would be nice.

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you consider guardians elite? I consider vans and elephants elite, and they are recruited all over. And on a large map, you may never see your guardians(map move 1) or other elite capital troops because it is too hard and not worth the effort to get them to the front lines. So you may well not get to use your favorite troops at all mid and late game.

I agree in principle with your statement, but the thread is about balance. vanaheim do not get dwarves all over, but they can research fine from their capital, and they can search sites remotely. But troops whose value is exclusively in combat cannot be put into play from their capitals.

So, it may be worth exploring in the concept of balancing the nations.

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Theres a difference between elite and powerful. Units like guardians are supposed to go through extreme amounts of training ect.

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Not to mention that units like elephants, while useful sometimes, are certainly not elite by any definition, and aren't necessarily even powerful.

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elephants grouped with hyperists, are a powerful against smaller units. They are certainly more powerful than a guardian unit from ulm(who also has a crappy mr), and in certain situations better than the KOA.

You are correct they are vulnerable to smite, mind blasts, astral magic, but they can trample some very powerful units as well. Units that otherwise are very hard to kill(double blessed vans). They fight to the bitter end when grouped with hyperists and they do get lots of afflictions, but arcos. can heal those.

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The LA Marignese high/grand inquisitor seems a bit overpriced at 210 for an oldage F1H3. The normal inquisitor is 110 and has the same abilities with only one less level of holy (F1H2).

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Oh and did you mean for LA agartha to not have Agarthan infantry (not the heavy or light variants) as recruitables?

I figure it's a bug, but maybe there's some reason.