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Gregstrom November 21st, 2007 03:44 PM

Re: An excerpt form Marignon
 
Sorry, I meant Oceania. I keep doing that... :-(

Xietor November 21st, 2007 03:57 PM

Re: An excerpt form Marignon
 
Oceania has a 60 hp mr 22 Basalt king with good magic paths
and a forge ability. Sort of a warrior mage. My thoughts were he should be made a prophet and with a n4 bless could likely take provinces solo right off the bat.

He has no secret abilities or summons, however. Just a very tough hero out of the box. more so if he is made a prophet.

Gregstrom November 21st, 2007 04:13 PM

Re: An excerpt form Marignon
 
I liked the paths, but never tried prophetising him. Trrying him as a SC without the prophet bless just got him dead, unlike the land SC heroes, so I didn't rate him for that.

Xietor November 21st, 2007 05:02 PM

Re: An excerpt form Marignon
 
In my test, making him a prophet with a n4 bless, made him fairly powerful if you attacked in provinces having your dominion.

Few land heroes are tougher. Arcos Epic Hero, who I am playing, would never be sent solo into a province whether a prophet or not. Nor would vanheims.

Not all Epic Heroes are meant to be thugs. Though Beowulf, the Ancient Master, and a few others are clearly that. Edi designed the Oceania Epic Hero. And he is fairly tough.

Ryleh's Epic Hero is tough also, but I likely would not attemt to take a sea province solo with him. And Atlantis' hero is clearly not designed to be a thug.

So of the 3 water races, Oceania's Epic Hero is best designed to be a thug, but id say he needs the prophet bless and n4 to safely take provinces. One should never take a province blind on the 1st turn.

I know Dr. P and others risk it, but it is a risk. Knights can kill most of the Epic heroes if they get their charge attacks to land. And the air mage pd will kill any Epic Hero
that does not have lightning protection-and few do.

Hadrian_II November 21st, 2007 05:06 PM

Re: An excerpt form Marignon
 
The monkey king is quite strong, too bad i did not get a heroic ability that gives hitpoints :/

Gregstrom November 21st, 2007 05:28 PM

Re: An excerpt form Marignon
 
I guess what struck me with oceania was that there wasn't a clear path for me (a newb) to take with the hero. No summons or domsummons, not an obvious SC like Shinuyama or Man, so I just used him for a head start with research.

Xietor November 21st, 2007 05:37 PM

Re: An excerpt form Marignon
 
using him to site search is not a bad option. oceania has tough castle bought troops for early expansion. A small bless and your capital sacred units are pretty tough as well.

The dominion kill happened to Ctis in epic heroes I. Ctis was also played by a new player. It is hard for new players to compete in mp games that have many experienced players in it regardless of race/hero.

But thank you for trying. Hopefully you learned a little bit. And I am sorry the game was not longer for you. And above all-I hope it was fun despite the early exit.

Sir_Dr_D November 21st, 2007 09:35 PM

Re: An excerpt form Marignon
 
The early expansion in this game has been very aggression. I guess everyone is taking a gamble with their epics, instead of playing it safe. And Dr P taking his hero out blind the very first turn, was a big gamble.

Baalz November 22nd, 2007 12:54 AM

Re: An excerpt form Marignon
 
Yeah, in the test game I ran I couldn't find an indie to scratch my guy, then 4 turns into the real game he takes a lance to the forehead. :/

Xietor November 22nd, 2007 06:32 PM

Re: An excerpt form Marignon
 
Is the Ancient Master dead, or was that an awake Wyrm? Killing off the Ancient Master is not an easy thing to do.

Well, Dr. P killed him off last game with frozen heart, but surely the good Dr. does not have that researched quite yet.


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