Re: Temperature scale/protection oversight/bug
 

Did you mean the spell personal regeneration (where it's true as far as I know), or regeneration in general?

The description of nature magic during pretender creation states that "any regenerative powers of the mage will be boosted", maybe that decription needs a change.

Re: Temperature scale/protection oversight/bug
 

Actually, Personal Regeneration is buggy too-Casters won't use it even when it's scripted, if it's one of the first (I think) 2 scripted spells, which is a pain in the explitive because regeneration helps protect against afflictions, and not working immediately gives archers two extra shots to disable your mages.

But I was talking about the description, yes http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Re: Temperature scale/protection oversight/bug
 

I'm much, much rather have nature magic heal afflictions, by the way.

Re: Temperature scale/protection oversight/bug
 

I've tested personal regeneration and it works to me. Are you sure your caster is not lifeless?

Re: Temperature scale/protection oversight/bug
 

<font color="green"> After cancelling construction of an underwater fortress as LA atlantis, I can not continue construction of or build a fortress. See Sea of Silence or Wallwind Waters in attached svegame. </font>

Re: Temperature scale/protection oversight/bug
 

Yep, I was using an Ancient Kraken.

Re: Temperature scale/protection oversight/bug
 

n/m i see its already on the shortlist

bugs
 

Re: bugs
 

If you use the "y" key to organise armies converging on a province, it's not possible to set the battlefield position of any units that were already present in the province.

Re: bugs
 

The turn order description for when global enchantments take effect during the turn is incorrect.


I cast a ritual the same turn Astral Corruption went up and still got attacked by a horror, although AC shouldn't have taken effect until later in the turn.

Re: bugs
 

If it's any consolation to you, I'm in the same boat. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

This certainly seems like a bug.

Re: bugs
 

Immortal units can die of disease, even in their own dominion.

Edit: I've now tested this properly and can't reproduce it. Sorry for posting prematurely!

Re: bugs
 

U774 Tartarian Titan (female) uses male nametypes. Seeing a female Titan named Odysseus sort of seemed off to me...

Re: bugs
 

Re: bugs
 

That is not a bug per se, but a function of how the different game mechanics work and the properties of different units.

To elaborate, it functions in the following manner:

Each unit is of a specific type, which is the monster ID number, e.g. 323 is Dwarven Smith. Each recruited unit also has an individual identification number which is not visible to the player, to differentiate from all other recruited units of the same type.

Each recruited/summoned monster shares all characteristics of its type. Some of these characteristics are fixed, some are variable. An example of fixed characteristic are the basic stats of a unit like attack, defense, immunities, base leadership values etc. Examples of variable characteristics are magic paths (even with commanders who have no randoms), experience etc that can vary between different units of same type. Current age is also one of them.

When a commander is resurrected as a mummy, it becomes a different monster. The mummy retains all variable characteristics of the original monster. They are tied to the individual unit, not specifically the monster type. Thus when type changes, it assumes the fixed characteristics of the new type and this causes the problem because the new fixed characteristic (maxage) is lower than the old one while the variable (current age) is retained.

This issue could be fixed by modifying the various mummy units to have a maxage of 10k, which would effectively cover all units in the game and eliminate the aging problem.

Re: bugs
 

However, the problem would still persist. Transformation, White One reincarnation, Lycanthropos' Amulet shapechange, even that troll skin armor shapechange can all make a unit's maxage considerably smaller than it started with. If the old age isn't changed, problems occur. White One reincarnation and Transformation are especially problematic because mages reborn as short-lived units don't really fare that well (White Ones reborn as soldiers and mages feeble-minded, thus losing their Nature magic).

Re: bugs
 

Perhapas not a bug, but old age after magical reincarnation seems unthematical.

It was however hilarious when my polymorph spell creates a bunch of age 93 (max 21) pigs...

Re: bugs
 

The transformation spells should just not copy the current age of the unit.

Re: bugs
 

Ritual of Rebirth, Twiceborn etc spells SHOULD copy it, though. It's quite complicated.

Re: bugs
 

Re: bugs
 

In 3.06, it does. Later versions, not anymore.

Re: bugs
 

Mesmerized units (from the turkey from mictlan mage) can attack themselves. I've had two giants killing themselves http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

Re: bugs
 

Here is a funny bug for you that is fairly easy to replicate...

If you control a sea province and a land province, then send unit with seduction to seduce an enemy commander in a province along the coast, it is completely random which neighboring province the seduction unit and the new commander move to if the seduction is successful.

What this means is, there is a chance the seduction unit takes the commander underwater, where they both drown! The first time I saw this happen, I got a good laugh out of it.

Re: bugs
 

LMAO!

She: "Come on! Leading an army can't POSSIBLY be half as much fun as taking a swim with me...especially if I don't have any clothes on..." *bedroom eyes*
He: "Grrreat idea! Let's go already!"
*splash*
*low tide pulls lovebirds out to sea*
Both: "Helllpp!" *blublublublub*
Fishes: "Yummy!"

Re: bugs
 

Minor issue, might just be a missing description for a WAD feature, but Nephele (unit #912) cannot move underwater even with a water breathing item. Cloud trapeze works fine to get her there though, and she can move out of the province normally. I haven't tried the other queens.

Re: bugs
 

Shes not supposed to go underwater.

*whistles innocently*

Re: bugs
 

Micah, that one has been reported and - *checks* - yep, shortlisted already. It affects all air queens. Not going to get fixed in the new patch but the one after it, though, unless I miss my guess. If it gets that high priority, that is.

Once the next patch comes out, I've got to reorganize the snarled hassle that the shortlist thread has become in this short time. Done a wonderful job of messing it up all by myself in just 12 posts...

Re: bugs
 

Sorry about that Edi.

Re: bugs
 

No need to apologize. If something gets reported twice, it's no big deal. The reason I reply to the duplicate reports is that people know the issue is not being ignored.

Re: bugs
 

Pillar of Fire (Evo-8, F2) does not set neighbouring units on fire

Whereas the spell description seems to imply so.

<font color="blue"> It gives a heat stun effect, that might and might not set units on fire </font>

Re: bugs
 

I had a very odd and subtle bug crop up in a MP game. Basically, the battle was inconsistent about the amount of dominion in the province.

My pretender lists "dominion penalty -6" for HP, yet (with Gift of Health up too), her actual final count of HP corresponds to a Dominion 10.

My Pangaean Maenads have a HP bonus from GoH that looks like about Dominion 7, but have a Hostile Dominion -1 penalty to their morale.

I haven't looked at every single unit, but other units seem to range from 70-100% HP bonuses.

Looking at the map this turn, my dominion in the province is 3. The previous turn, it had been 7.

Should I upload the .trn file?

Re: bugs
 

Did your armies move into the province where the battle took place from somewhere else? Because if they did, that would explain it. With GoH up, or in the case of prophets and pretenders, the hit points for units are calculated based on the values that are correct for province of origin. Afterward they drop to reflect the values of the province they moved into.

What I started wondering about is if you move a pretender from high dominion to lower one, he uses hit point values according to province of origin, gets wounded in battle but survives and then the dominion penalty kicks in, could it kill him? Because for example site effects can kill units wounded in combat before the healing phase.

The dominion morale penalty is stranger, so the game files could be helpful in that regard.

Re: bugs
 

I suppose that it cannot kill them because dominion effects are calculated towards their final HPs in the healing phase. So when their HPs drop, they'll have full HP regardless.

Have I already told in this thread that diseased units ignore dominion effects because, as it seems, they skip their healing phase? So when you get your SC pretender diseased in friendly Dom10 dominion you'd be able to wreak alot of havoc deep inside enemy dominion as long as he doesn't get hit in combat...

Re: bugs
 

Pretender was moving in, while everyone else was breaking a siege. That does explain the pretender's HP (she was moving out of a Dom10 province), but the pretender's MR and strength both suggest a hostile dominion: no MR bonus/penalty is listed, while strength has a -1 penalty. Perhaps those values are calculated later, separate from the HP?

.trn file is attached now. The battle in question is in Pangaea.

Please don't download this if you're playing Dark Matter, folks http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: bugs
 

Yep, since you are fighting in enemy dominion you are experiencing all the ill effects of it. The same would happen if you're in another heat/cold scale. Those effects are determined when the battle starts. Your pretenders HP are determined in the healing phase of the previous turn, so you can "pump him up" in friendly dominion before entering an enemy dominion. If he enters a province with friendly dominion from one with enemy dominion, then his Max HP are higher than the HP that he used to have the turn before, too, which show as "wounds" (a red bar), and which he can regenerate to the amount of HP he'd get from dominion effects. In the same way, if you enter enemy dominion from friendly dominion, you can't regenerate more HP than would be allowed in the enemy dominion during that battle.

Wyrm has infinite amount of eyes
 

Wyrm, monster id #269 (dunno if there is another one for the pretender)

If you give it an item which causes eyeloss, then the description reads "lost a couple of eyes", even if it's only one Eye of aiming. I suppose the same holds true for afflictions from battle. Here's the strange thing: If you give him a couple more eyes, then it stays at "lost a couple of eyes", the Wyrm never goes blind. Even if you give it four eyes by modding the unit to allow it. How many eyes does the Wyrm have to lose before it turns blind? <font color="blue"> Should be four. He has 2 extra eyes according to the code. Hmm, perhaps a magical eye doesn't remove more than the first eye. Hit him in the head a couple of times and see if he looses all eyes </font>

Nice bug
 

Hi, everyone)
I've noticed a rather annoying bug that makes a generally not bad tactic almost unplayable.
It is about "flight" spell. Flying commander not only may cast "flight" on himself (i think that he shouldn't be able to do this) instead of one units nearby, but he may also cast it twice onto the same unit. This is really bad.
Regeneration, for example, cannot be cast on a unit that already has it (or maybe I'm mistaken?).

Re: Nice bug
 

He shouldn't target an already flying unit, but it's not a 100 precision spell. He could miss.
Hard to say if that's happening.
What happens if he's solo and scripted to cast fly twice?

Re: Nice bug
 

Even a low-precision spell should have 100% precision when cast on adjacent units. Within (Prec/2 - 2) squares it's supposed to be totally accurate.

-Max

Re: Nice bug
 

Marble Oracles have two eyes, and they can become blind. I suspect that Granite Guardiaans also have two eyes can lose them. They also lack darkvision. I'm not sure if magical constructs are immune to darkness, or if they need their eyes to be able to see, but #darkvision and/or #blind might be needed.

Re: Nice bug
 

Regeneration ignores disease. It allows the unit to regenerate to its full normal HP total.

I don't know if this is a bug or WAD, but it produces some odd effects, where you need to put your old-age mages into combat every once in a while so they can heal up the damage lost by disease. IMO, there's an inconsistency going on if units can do something easily during combat that can never be accomplished outside of a battle!

3.06 mercenaries, commander killed by global
 

Apparent weirdness:

Had a mercenary company participating in a siege.

Mercenary leader, Gote, dies outside of battle -- probably by a lucky hit from _Wrath of God_ which nobody was bothering to dispel. Units belonging to the company stick around, but still have the 'mercenary' flag and cannot be reassigned to any other leader AFAICT. Obvious resolution is probably to have had them vaporize, just as if they'd fled during battle.

I've also reanimated their former leader, so should be able to check whether the mercenary flag sticks around in the afterlife in 3.08 once I get home.

Re: 3.06 mercenaries, commander killed by global
 

I think it does in part; mercenaries revived with Ritual of Rebirth don't demand contracts but still won't give up their items (or give BACK items that you give them).

-Max

Wrong GC for Fir Bolg Champion
 

The fir bolg champion is GC 13 (MA Eriu). I'm pretty sure that was meant to be at least 30.

Re: Wrong GC for Fir Bolg Champion
 

It's supposed to be 45 gold. Known issue.

Re: Wrong GC for Fir Bolg Champion
 

Re: Wrong GC for Fir Bolg Champion
 

I think I meantioned this earlier somewhere. This happens whenever a unit-White One dies and is reincarnated (as a unit).

Re: Wrong GC for Fir Bolg Champion
 

Dunno if it's a bug or WAD, but my Caelian hero Isvat has always 2 prot less than he should do. He has a 15 prot fire plate by default (which gives him 13 prot), but even giving him other armors always results in 2 prot less than the armor has. He currently is in Cold 2 dominion by the way, if that makes any difference. This applies to 3.06, haven't tested 3.08 yet but as Isvat can only be found in the Worthy Heroes mod thread I guess it isn't fixed since it was never reported.

Re: Wrong GC for Fir Bolg Champion
 

I immediately thought of some form of ice-affected armor... But if it was LOWER in cold 2, something's wrong with it. I guess it can be negative as well, to give bonuses in warm provinces, though.

Re: Wrong GC for Fir Bolg Champion
 

Does he have a helmet? A suit of armor with protection X provides about 80% of X to the unit's overall protection score, since it leaves the head uncovered, and the "Protection" value listed on the unit's infoscreen is the average protection over the whole body. Click on that value to see separate values for head and body; if you're lucky (ie, not bugged), he has full 15 on body and a much lower value on head.