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People take ancient race to know where the other players are. That has a LOT of value. Knowing where every little green star planet is, not so much. I guess it helps some, but not enough to make it worth the thousand points for ancient race. And not enough to make it worth goign through a hundred maps to figure out which one you are playing on. At least in my hunble opinion.

Geoschmo

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's up to Asmala I guess. He hasn't even said if he want's to use them.

As far as the greater issue of cheating. Pretty much it comes down to an issue of trust. There are ways to cheat. All you can do is make it as difficult as possible to do so, and trust the players in the games you are with are not going to extrodinary lengths to do so. You can't really prevent it.

Geoschmo

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Personally I like the random maps. They are so unpredictable, your enemy can be your neighbor or in the other side of the quadrant, you can never know it. So if one player wants Tesco's map and the other doesn't the random map is used. But I have noticed that people here is pretty compliant, I have never settled a controversy about game settings.

The KOTH page is updated by DavidG's Finnish-date-format-compatible program. Many thanks (again http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ) to him.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">DavidG is very nice to do stuff like that (the main reason I popped him with a 5 rating several weeks back http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif )

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Grandpa Kim vs. Gozguy

Contact! About turn 22.

So far we are shuffling back and forth between first and second place. My only explanation is he using the same lame strategies I am in order to give me a chance. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Probably has more to do with ships colonizing in different sequences than yours. I think ships add more points than colonies...but don't quote me... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">True. Pure colony doesn't add any points, only the resources the planet produce. The scores formula is like this IIRC: resource + research + intel production + (total unmothballed ships and bases in kT)*10 + very little from researched levels.

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Cheeze vs Asmala Update

We made first contact on turn 12. Space is so thick with Black Rider colonizers it's like trying to fly in a snowstorm....they're everywhere!!!!

Turn 20 and Asmala has drawn first blood. A group of his fighters has savaged a potted plant colony that had just set up a nice little home on a new planet. And it's just going to get worse from here....Yikes!!!

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The maps would be a variation from stock. So both players would have to agree on it as a setting. Just like number of planets. etc...

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I did notice on generation that GRID and Galatic EDGE made the best maps for distance and space

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http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newup...1052665789.jpg

Slynky -vs- Dreico: 2407.1 (KOTH standard start: 1 medium planet)

Dreico surrenders.

Summary:

Green: Trithian Empire (me)
Orange: Space Dragons home system (Dreico)
Blue: "Nothing" systems
Magenta: Empire boundaries where fleet build-up occurred
Yellow: My cloaked ship
Green Triangles: My three fleets several turns into the attack from three sides

It is clear that successful expansion was the key in this game. Dreico didn't expand as fast as he should (could?). I was first in several systems that were closer to his start. I decided to play defensively till I was sure of superiority since I had the lion's share of the galaxy.

After I had stealth armor, I was able to get a ship into his rear lines and peek around. 2 other stealth ships died but all I needed was one.

It seemed apparent to me that he was in a hopeless position when he fought me with DUCs (and little else) and my ships had various stages of ECM/Sensors and PPBs. In fact, when the game ended, I was building cruisers with ECM/Sensor 3's, and 15%/15% armor.

I finished the game with over 125,000 in research, nearly 85 colonies and over 70 ships. This was helped by getting Gas tech several turns earlier.

I couldn't understand why he didn't surrender sooner but I soon saw he had banked on getting Ice tech. But by then, it was too late.

Since the end of the game, I have offered to send suggestions to help improve Dreico's game. I'm certainly not the best player around but I have some tips that will help his game and he took me up on my offer. He's a good sport and I'd like to see him get better. After all, the game can always use a good sport AND a good player.

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So, Asmala, if there is a player waiting for a game, I am ready. I play standard KOTH settings.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sorry there wasn't a player waiting but I think you don't have to wait long.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sorry there wasn't a player waiting but I think you don't have to wait long.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I see you matched krsqk up with Dreico. Dreico told me he thought he wouldn't play KOTH till he finished another one of his games. He's up now if you want to send a message to check with him. (of course, he may be changing his mind...I've been emailing with him on some tips... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sorry there wasn't a player waiting but I think you don't have to wait long.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I see you matched krsqk up with Dreico. Dreico told me he thought he wouldn't play KOTH till he finished another one of his games. He's up now if you want to send a message to check with him. (of course, he may be changing his mind...I've been emailing with him on some tips... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks, I'll ask him wheter he continues or not.

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The Grazic vs Tesco game will get under way soon, with complete Default KOTH Settings, except for 1 small change...
We are both using the exact same Empire Design, as created by Tesco.
This way when (if?) Tesco beats me, I should learn something, other than how to create a better Empire Design.
Let the game commence...

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sounds like an interesting twist (if I understand it correctly). Keep us posted.

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KOTH game Pablo vs. Rollo
date 2407.6: The Killerbeez surrender to the Vikings.
Please move me up.

Thanks for the game Pablo.

Rollo

[ May 12, 2003, 12:41: Message edited by: Rollo ]

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Geoschmo vs Rollo - Turn #, Way too damn early

Already met. Started out next door to each other. This is gonna be an ugly one.

Geoschmo

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Cheeze vs Asmala

On turn 26, my incredible stupidity has already lost the game. I made it so easy for the Black Riders to capture Gas Colonization tech I might have just sent it as a gift. You would hope that being a plant would not mean being a vegetable. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

That being said, there is no surrender (yet!). I intend to fight on, until the Last root has been upturned, the Last plot of land salted!!!

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Well, that was fast. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

I am not one to make excuses, but I frankly had no chance in this one. Blocked into four systems and Rollo had the run of the quadrant. Hopefully next time It'll be a little more even and we can get a real game going. I am sure he's probably just as disapointed as me.

Well, maybe not just as disapointed. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Asmala, put me back to the bottom. All that hard work down the drain. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

Geoschmo

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King Title Defense III: Stone Mill vs. Rex Torres
Second try...
Turn 8: Growing; still no sign of the enemy.

Unfortunately, I encountered a retrofit bug at around turn 30 (detail in other thread). This was at a critical point in the game and hurt my chances to defend myself. Rex did not wish to replay the turn, and he happened to have cruddy positioning, so we decided to start over. It was the fairest thing to do.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The bLasted Black Hole Riders have struck again. This is starting to be Asmala's signature move. If you remember, he did that to me too.

Don't worry, I'm sure your population will be happier with him. At least they may get some burgers out of the deal. I mean, what were your hippie vegetarian dudes eating before? Sunlight? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">yeah, sorry about the bad placement, Geo.
You outsmarted me there a couple of times and had me in the ropes pretty bad.
I agree that next time we meet, I hope that we get a real game going.

Asmala, please move me up hill.

Rollo

(edit): ugh, just checked. I guess that puts me in the #3 contender spot. That'll be waiting for a while.
Hey Geo, look at the bright side. At least your next game will start soon... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ May 13, 2003, 20:23: Message edited by: Rollo ]

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

time to add another level on the top....

Looks like there are too many logs.....

3 waiting kind of sucks...

Perhaps an additonal 2 levels... and the 3 waiting can be the 2nd level and the next person who makes it plays rollo...

Those two winners form the next higher level and that winner plays koth...

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You're too kind Rollo. You don't have to be ashamed you spanked me from begining to end and did it in 30 turns. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Not sure what you mean by on the ropes. I only managed to kill one minor planet and half a dozen ships and that by sending every ship I had against it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Oh, I get it. You were trying to keep a low profile so your next opponent doesn't take you too seriously. Ooops. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Geoschmo

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Update on my game with Rambie. Turn 101 and I've begun my trip into the system that we both occupy with a small fleet of mine. What lies beyond this system is known only by Rambie but I intend to find out very soon.

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Cheeze vs Asmala, turn 35

My first attack fleet just pull up the weeds from the first planet of Cheeze. It'll be nice to see what my fleet will be able to do http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Yes that gas colony ship which I got really helped me. I have to say I'll be very surprised if Cheeze can win this game, so big benefit it is.

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I have decided to add one more level to the hill. It'll be naturally between the King match and the Top of the hill. Name suggestions to that level are accepted.

I asked DavidG if he could update that level to the KOTH program, so it may take some time before this level appears in the KOTH page. However a new matchin this level, Kazarp vs Rollo, starts soon.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Since Top of the Hill is taken; perhaps you could name it Crown of the Hill; or Peak of the Hill. *Shrugs* Just some suggestions. Bad ones, but still suggestions. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Since Top of the Hill is taken; perhaps you could name it Crown of the Hill; or Peak of the Hill. *Shrugs* Just some suggestions. Bad ones, but still suggestions. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Along the lines of what I was thinking: Bottom of the hill, middle of the hill, crest of the hill, top of the hill.

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Another one: Summit of the Hill.
Edit: Or just call it "The Summit"

[ May 15, 2003, 02:58: Message edited by: Ragnarok ]

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geosteppe

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Gandalph vs. Sparhawk stardate 2407.7

The battles have been raging and my fleets have largely been victorious, including the battle of Sillinta where my fleet was outnumbered but I sent it in to attack anyway and escaped with little damage proving again that trained DUC's are better than untrained PPB's. The battle ended with Sparhawk having 1 warship and 4 minesweepers remaining. He used those ships in a glorious "middle finger in you face" move to destroy 4 of my colonies in Sillinta while my fleet chased him about. I finally caught and destroyed those ships, but major damage was done. I am pressing on and with a little luck, should end this one by turn 100.

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My suggestion for a name would be to shift all the names down one. The current bottom would become the base of the hill. (That's what I had it named originally and changed it) The middle would be come the bottom. The top would become the middle, and the new level would be called the top of the hill.

Geoschmo

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I like this.

Rollo

[ May 15, 2003, 12:45: Message edited by: Rollo ]

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Congrats to Mathias_Ice--we've knocked out 12 turns in 2 hours, or one turn every ten minutes. Let's see if that happens all weekend--we should get up to, say, turn 160 by the end of Saturday. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Gandalph vs sparhawk reply.

Yes, so then the problem from three different LOST games has been solved in on line: Damn ship/fleet training fac http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif .
Most of the times I got more ships, but was tottally blown out of the skies!!
Totally forgot them, I was totally focussed on ppb or combat systems. Well maybe its to late for this game, but be prepared for some surprises gandalph http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .
And next time I get every one back http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

...damn ship training.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif ....@#$%!@$. three lost games by something stupid..... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

sparhawk

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Thanks to DavidG again. He updated the KOTH program quickly and now the hill has a new level. I decided to name the levels like Geoschmo proposed because crest and top sounds too similar to me (though I could be wrong, English isn't my best skill http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ).

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Watch out, one of the days he's going to charge an upgrade price http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Glad to be of service. Ship/fleet training, as you now see, is indeed very important when it comes to battles and IMHO much more important than super weapons. After all, super weapons aren't so super when they can't hit.

[ May 16, 2003, 23:54: Message edited by: Gandalph ]

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Now, if I could only train satellites!

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wouldn't that be sweet!!

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wouldn't that be sweet!!</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, the best you can do is load those babies with big Ripper beams and hope you have the talent to toss in a Talisman for the stack. Otherwise, they get chewed up pretty fast, but 50 or so of those talisman loads with Rippers will chew the ---- out of a fleet arriving at a wormhole!

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks! Evenings after 8 central time are best for me. I'm really looking forward to a continuous trial by fire KOTHing with all you old timers.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks! Evenings after 8 central time are best for me. I'm really looking forward to a continuous trial by fire KOTHing with all you old timers.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Welcome to the madness and to the satisfaction! may your fleets gain 2% for every ship killed!

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Update on game with Rambie: Wait...there is nothing to update...Haven't played a turn in 3 days. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif And this next turn I'm going to find out if my fleet can take out his planet. I wonder if he's holding out...
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif Oh well, I'll get it finished sometime I guess.

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Well, turn 27, and we have finally met. One of his colony ships entered a system my frigate was in the process of claiming. We will see how it goes from here on out! May the best Krsqk win! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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Mark v Gecko stardate 2403.8

We first met on or around turn 20, and our armed scouts and first-generation warships have been fighting a series of skirmishes since then. Several outlying colonies have been glassed.

Gecko has already gone for Drone tech, which is going to be interesting...

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Didn't you get the memo? The price is eveyone has to take a dive in games against me. The only one who has refused so far is that annoying king type guy in his blue swede shoes. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Didn't you get the memo? The price is eveyone has to take a dive in games against me. The only one who has refused so far is that annoying king type guy in his blue swede shoes. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">KOTH match fixing! First it was prize fighting now it's KOTH. Where will the underhanded machinations end http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

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