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I know you're very busy at this time but, was still surprised to see your POST #157 in "Ukraine OOB..." .

Though for the record I don't feel you saw the following or maybe just forgot them so again refer back to the first line above.

The first you actually did respond to concerning the T-84 in which I provided very viable FOC date for both the T-84 and M-80 APC. Your response asked if I meant it for the Ukraine instead of me posting it for Croatia.
Page 187/Posts 1869 & 1870.

On LEOPARD 2A7A1/2A8 please see Page 189/Post 1881.

From ref. 1...

"The Leopard 2A7A1 serves as a bridge until the production of the new Leopard 2A8 variant begins, with first deliveries expected by 2027. The A7A1 version was developed to incorporate the Trophy active protection system without making significant changes to the Leopard 2A7V tank's structure. "

"Therefore, the A7A1 is expected to be slightly heavier than the A8, because the Trophy system needed to be integrated into the existing turret rather than a newly designed one with additional equipment."

Both of the above statements on their own merits are suggesting there is little to no difference between the LEOPARD 2A7V and the LEOPARD 2A7A1 but TROPHY.

And you also have the following...

"Apart from that, the A7A1 variant is similar to the A8 variant, which will soon be delivered to many European countries, becoming the standard tank for NATO European nations. It's noteworthy that the purchase list includes countries such as the Czech Republic, Croatia, Lithuania, and the Netherlands."

From ref. 2...

"MAIN BATTLE TANKS-A MARKET ON THE RISE"

"Apart from that, the A7A1 variant is similar to the A8 variant, which will soon be delivered to many European countries, becoming the standard tank for NATO European nations. It's noteworthy that the purchase list includes countries such as the Czech Republic, Croatia, Lithuania, and the Netherlands."

Hungry has also expressed interest in those tanks.

We are not at this time dealing with a "Super Tank" which is why I haven't submitted either for the following...

1) Germany only recently received the first built LEOPARD 2A7A1 tank as noted above.

2) Besides the fact I've been following and posting on these tanks and others for years now, it takes time to ferret out what the differences between these tanks and the newer versions of others (LeClerc LXR which is on track to meet FOC before the others.) involved.

I do expect the LEOPARD 2A8 will have a new turret as the refs. are referring to it but, this IS NOT fully resolved yet.

I did last year (Near end I believe.) make a very through update on all the newcomers yet to come in this Thread. I believe it might lie between the above ones MAYBE I listed at the top of this page [b]some might find it useful.

The caveat is to be mindful that it was written before it was disclosed that the END is now 2030. Even with that I believe one or two might be outside that window.

Because I don't post all the time doesn't mean I'm not tracking don't forget I tracked ARJUN, ALTAY and ARMATA and a couple of others for well over a decade and a couple I'm still doing so Oh yeah, a thing called the AJAX as well. All the rest are just "more flies on the ointment"

If not sure just ask I most likely already have the information someone might want. :D :p ;)

I have issues to address, so have a good night!

Regards,
Pat
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11/26 EDIT: Contracts signed M-84/M-80 APC should be in Ukraine just arrived. Date as above for should be good to allow for transitional training.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/focu...nks-to-ukraine

This was all dealt with a month ago so IDK why we are going over all this again

If anyone finds a top-down photo or blueprint of the Turkish Alpar unmanned ground vehicle please post the link

NEVERMIND.... I found a brief few frames of a video that showed it from the top

https://i.imgur.com/VUKXREB.png

Still WIP........

I decided the Chinese tanks (and their various export models ) were LONG overdue for a do-over

6x normal size

Still a WIP

https://i.imgur.com/imfK9XT.png

https://x.com/TaiwansDefense/status/1868011193413320873

Quote:

38 M1A2T have arrived in Kaohsiung, southern Taiwan.

This is the first time Taiwan has received tanks from the U.S. since the 1990s. These tanks will be deployed in northern Taiwan.

(United Daily News)

I had them in the OOB for 10/2024......... close...........now adjusted

Good to know my "WHATMAKESSENSE-A-METER" still works once in a while. :D

Also...

Czech Republic: More LEOPARD 2A4 tanks on the way. This will be the 3rd batch under the "Ring Swap" trade that saw Czech T-72 tanks go to the Ukraine.
Tahttps://www.armyrecognition.com/news/army-news/army-news-2024/rheinmetall-confirms-order-of-leopard-2a4-tanks-from-czech-republic

France: Could the Leclerc Evolution be gaining traction again?
https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...-combat-system

Taiwan: : Taking on the lessons learned in the Ukraine.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...-drone-defense

Bangladesh: Lest we forget they have tanks.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...ia-and-myanmar

Germany: We knew this was coming but, with the contract just signed it doesn't look like anyone but Germany is to get it, unless they order it themselves.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...ith-trophy-aps

That's enough for now. :sick:

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

EDIT Just felt I needed to add this. I don't believe I've seen this in such a manner as this. That WAS ONE DAM FINE SALUTE. It made me feel honored. With that said, I extend this to all of you that have served for the various countries in our community.
https://x.com/espn/status/1867983843...9551783ei%3D49

Here is an interesting little tidbit I was not aware of until recently........it may be old news to some of you though

I was not aware of the China-Ukraine connection

Quote:

During the development of Type 90-II/Al-Khalid (also known as MBT-2000) in the 1980s, the gearbox and engine were originally imported from Germany, but this plan was abandoned due to a Western arms embargo. The powertrain instead was sourced from Ukraine, the same for most Chinese export vehicles at the time.[4]

China eventually developed domestic powertrains, which led to the creation of the MBT-3000 program for export customers.

Still WIP ..... this is a totally different technique than I have used in the past that I am trying out for what I am calling "ChinaCamo"

https://forum.shrapnelgames.com/atta...1&d=1734370034

https://x.com/RyszardJonski/status/1868964371352744303

Quote:

The last shipment of K2GF tanks planned for this year just arrived in Poland.

This means that there are already 84 of K2GF/Black Panther tanks in Poland. The remaining 96 tanks out of 180 ordered in the first tranche will be delivered next year.

In addition to the last shipment of K2GF Black Panthers this year, the first American M1A2SEPv.3 Abrams tanks are planned to arrive to Poland before end of December.

https://defence24.pl/przemysl/swiate...enia-do-polski

Quote:

Thus, there are already 84 K2GF/Black Panther tanks, 136 K9A1 gun-howitzers and 72 modules for Homar-K multiple rocket launchers (of which at least 35 are ready vehicles) in Poland. In the case of artillery systems, their unloading was supposed to have already taken place on Friday. The K2GF tanks were most likely unloaded yesterday or today at night. Now the aforementioned armament will be additionally equipped (including the Fonet digital communication platform from Grupa WB) and checked before delivery to the target units of the Polish Army.