Re: OT: future of a manned space exploration.
 

That's why hammers cost $400. and a coffee pot $200. All that extra money goes into the black budget where it can't be accounted for.

Re: OT: future of a manned space exploration.
 

[quote]Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:

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No, a real program. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif BM, I forget what it is called, but it is a full blown agency similar to NASA, not just a single project. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif And all military applications of course.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Majestic?
Project Blue Book? *umm, puts on thinking hat*

I really like the Stargate one, it would be perfect to have a Sci-fi program to get us used to the idea, I mean even Regan said something to the effect "how would we react if the Earth was confronted by a evil alien force", and I dont think he was talking about illegal immigration either! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

But hell, we should spend more money and really start pushing the envelope, I mean just working on technology to mine asteroids would eventually pay for its self. Also, I wonder if space exploration became a private enterprise, couldnt they just go somewhere and lay claim to anything since no one else is doing it? Humm, Microsoft decides to use the billions of the money they have just sitting around, go to Mars, and claim it as their own, put some R & D labs on planet, a few defensive platforms in orbit, THAT would be a monopoly!!!

Re: OT: future of a manned space exploration.
 

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Re: OT: future of a manned space exploration.
 

And if this other "Covert NASA" is far enough ahead in exploration (with or without E.T. help) maybe they already know all the best planets are already taken. However this gets into the "Is there life out there?" thread.
Wouldn't that be depressing! We finally get the ability for interstellar travel and find some other race has taken all the "Eden" planets.
Maybe we should be a subjugate of the E.T.'s

"Back to your stinking planet Monkey Boy!..oh here's some shiny trinkets for you to play with. Try not to kill each other!"

Re: OT: future of a manned space exploration.
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Unfortunately the USA has signed a treaty (The Moon treaty http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif ) that disallows claiming space objects for goverments or private industries. Many think this is causing companies not to try to go to space to get resources (the obvious reason after lebensraum). The emphasis is all on Space Tourism, Satillite Graveyards, and such.

Re: OT: future of a manned space exploration.
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Unfortunately the USA has signed a treaty (The Moon treaty http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif ) that disallows claiming space objects for goverments or private industries. Many think this is causing companies not to try to go to space to get resources (the obvious reason after lebensraum). The emphasis is all on Space Tourism, Satillite Graveyards, and such.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">There is a slight loophole - the Last I heard, the US didn't sign second Version, the one which Banned private individuals arbitrarily claiming stellar bodies. In theory, a US citizen would be permitted to claim an unclaimed portion of our solar system and sell it to a corporation, who could then go and mine it (after all, they weren't the ones who claimed it - they bought it).

Re: OT: future of a manned space exploration.
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">hmmm, since China did not sign this global agreement, (the moon treaty).. doesn't that mean that they are not bound by it's terms? Or does it mean that the countries that did sign this treaty will become dictators and force all the countries that didn't sign to comply?

I find it strange, yup, I really do.

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Re: OT: future of a manned space exploration.
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Couldn't they just go up there and start mining (or whatever they want to do) but without making any sort of claim upon the territory?

Re: OT: future of a manned space exploration.
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If you mean a company, they could but would run the risk of doing all the work to extract the minerals and then having to surender them if a court decides they don't have a proper claim to them.

[ September 18, 2003, 16:09: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

Re: OT: future of a manned space exploration.
 

When you think about the possibility of man in space, going faster than the speed of light, and people say it will never happen, I point out the simple historical fact that 1,000 years ago, the thought of man flying, let alone walking on the moon was unthinkable.

1,000 years ago we had to walk. A 2,000 mile trip would take 6 months.
500 years ago we had sailing ships. A 2,000 mile trip would take 6 weeks.
100 years ago we had cars. A 2,000 mile trip would take 6 days.
50 years ago we had propeller airplanes. A 2,000 mile trip would take about 16 to 24 hours.
Today we have jet air craft. A 2,000 mile trip takes 2 hours.

If we survive, think how fast we will be going in another 100 years.