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Rollo November 1st, 2003 10:32 AM

Re: What really P***** me off!!!
 
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Originally posted by Q:
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On the other hand what you saw is not unrealistic: just think of world war II Germany and Soviet Union.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">???? you are not suggesting that Hitler and Stalin had a partnership and brotherly feelings towards each other before Germany attacked the Soviet Union, are you?

Mephisto November 1st, 2003 10:56 AM

Re: What really P***** me off!!!
 
The solution should be quite easy. My AIs shouldn't show this behaviour. It works like this:

1.) Look if this line is true "Get Angry Over Allied Colonizable Planets".

2.) If yes, look here "Percentage of Allied Planets to consider as Attack Locations for Anger". That's how many planets will cause anger for the AI.

3.) The anger value is in the anger.txt, here "Per Attack Location".

4.) Now look in the politics.txt at the line "Declare War Base Anger Level".

If you go to a Partnership with the AI it can see all your planets and starts to calculate the anger. If the value in 4.) is low and the number of planets as targets high enough you can bring the AI to war in a single turn.

Alneyan November 1st, 2003 11:11 AM

Re: What really P***** me off!!!
 
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Originally posted by Rollo:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Q:
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On the other hand what you saw is not unrealistic: just think of world war II Germany and Soviet Union.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">???? you are not suggesting that Hitler and Stalin had a partnership and brotherly feelings towards each other before Germany attacked the Soviet Union, are you? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The USSR and Germany are said to have signed a secret pact of non-aggression at these times. (Not quite a partnership obviously) But their relationship was far from being brotherly at any rate.

Atrocities November 1st, 2003 11:43 AM

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Another thing that is really really pissing me off is the fact that my bonuses are working against me in a negative mannor rather than a possitive one.

My race has a ENHANCED happiness with a good cultural trait that does not effect my populations happiness at all.

I have UPC III's in all of my systems and INTEL turned off. (No intel means no alien intervention) I am at war with no one, yet nearly all of my worlds are rioting for no appearant reason.

I mean this in a kind way, I am about fed up.

Atrocities November 1st, 2003 11:51 AM

Re: What really P***** me off!!!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mephisto:
The solution should be quite easy. My AIs shouldn't show this behaviour. It works like this:

1.) Look if this line is true "Get Angry Over Allied Colonizable Planets".

2.) If yes, look here "Percentage of Allied Planets to consider as Attack Locations for Anger". That's how many planets will cause anger for the AI.

3.) The anger value is in the anger.txt, here "Per Attack Location".

4.) Now look in the politics.txt at the line "Declare War Base Anger Level".

If you go to a Partnership with the AI it can see all your planets and starts to calculate the anger. If the value in 4.) is low and the number of planets as targets high enough you can bring the AI to war in a single turn.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">How you figured this out I will never know, but thank you for posting it.

Atrocities November 1st, 2003 11:56 AM

Re: What really P***** me off!!!
 
I am just utterly ticked off about this rioting issue for no reasons. I did nothing during the set up of the race to cause this. Intel is off, and I am at war with no one. I have UPC III's in all of my systems.

It is like my bonuses are working agianst me. I have Enhanced bonuses for happiness, mineral, farm, and resource production and for some f**king reason all of these are working against me horribly.

I am fed up and must take a long break from this game before I unistall it.

Cya all later.

geoschmo November 1st, 2003 12:05 PM

Re: What really P***** me off!!!
 
Is it possible you selected the neutral happiness type by accident when you set up your empire?

SpaceBadger November 1st, 2003 04:26 PM

Re: What really P***** me off!!!
 
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Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
it's been mentioned that the AI's attitude toward you counts for nothing.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It has been mentioned but I do not think it is quite accurate, at least not if taken literally. The AI attitude can give you some indication of how things are progressing in your diplomatic relations with that AI. I have never had a Brotherly AI declare War on me - they may become Brotherly during the course of a long slow War without ending the War, but that is different. Similarly, I have never had a Murderous AI agree to treaties with me - although even a Partner may become Murderous after the treaty is made, and may then either break the treaty or not. A Brotherly AI does not refuse your gifts, nor does a Murderous AI accept them.

I am using Brotherly and Murderous as the extreme examples, but the in-between levels are still not "nothing" - they give you an indicator of which way the AI's temper is moving, so that you can try to bribe them or at least have some idea which way they may be going in the future.

I am somewhat confused by some of the things that cause the AI attitude levels to move up and down. For example, in a current game I have found that even when I immediately duck out of a neutral system after making first contact, and have no further contact with them except for giving them gifts and offering treaties or trades, every single one of the neutrals I have met has gotten progressively more angry with me until they are all Murderous. I don't get it - they cannot come out of their system to see my colonies, they aren't seeing any of my ships because I have pulled my ships out of the system - what is ticking them off? (They are not xenophobes, I checked.) Is it my breath? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

SpaceBadger

Cyrien November 1st, 2003 04:31 PM

Re: What really P***** me off!!!
 
It is probably because you can go through wormholes and they can't. They're just jealous. Don't let them judge you!

narf poit chez BOOM November 1st, 2003 08:32 PM

Re: What really P***** me off!!!
 
i think the nuetralls view you as MEE.


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