Re: Change request: Rescuing the Moloch From Whimpy Imps Inc.
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Most likely. I recall one of the turn-tip was "You cannot retreat from assasination attempts" or something to that effect. This seemed to mean that you, on the receiving end of such attempts, cannot retreat. However, it seems reasonable that the same holds true for the assassin too.

I supposes it is some sort of No-Retreat oerride switch, used in perhaps Death Match too.

-Gateway103

Re: Change request: Rescuing the Moloch From Whimpy Imps Inc.
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That, or a "with your shield or on it" checkbox that has been proposed, that disables the auto-flee on loss of all troops for marked leaders. This would solve a lot of other things as well. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Changing game mechanics and user interface is never simple.

Re: Change request: Rescuing the Moloch From Whimpy Imps Inc.
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">There already is an exception in the code for when an army of commanders only attacks however, which could possibly be used to modify the retreat rules to take into account automatic commander bodyguards.

Re: Change request: Rescuing the Moloch From Whimpy Imps Inc.
 

True. For example by giving leaders 50 morale in such circumstances...

Re: Change request: Rescuing the Moloch From Whimpy Imps Inc.
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">True, but if you need to drag other (slow, landbound) troops around to prevent him from fleeing in the early game, even if only few in number, you are giving up the strengths of the Moloch (flying, designed to be a Super Combatant) for what is essentially an army support role - and there are much better pretenders for that, even flying ones in the Virtue, the Prince of Darkness, a Red Dragon, and, arguably, the Phoenix.

There are lots of workarounds, but they all seem to work against either the theme or the relatively high price for the Moloch, considering its vulnerabilities.

Re: Change request: Rescuing the Moloch From Whimpy Imps Inc.
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Awe and Fear wouldn't work...

Re: Change request: Rescuing the Moloch From Whimpy Imps Inc.
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Awe and Fear wouldn't work... </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">A morale of 30 already means the the unit is unbreakable, so they shouldn't be necessarily affected by these things.

Re: Change request: Rescuing the Moloch From Whimpy Imps Inc.
 

Agree wholeheartedly with Mr. Ebbesen on this.
Please change the soon to be mightier Moloch.


PS(The mighty Peter Ebbesen leaves the EUII forums? What happened? Is this a short forray into other realms, or a more permanent visit?)

Re: Change request: Rescuing the Moloch From Whimpy Imps Inc.
 

Hi,

There's another option that involves modding. Make the Moloch immortal. I piggybacked some changes onto the Healing Pretender mod. I made several of the pretenders (mostly the undead ones, like the Carrion Dragon) immortal. I also made some pretenders regenerate, little tweaks like that. One of the ones I changed was the Moloch. I haven't had him rout yet.

IMO his paths are way too expensive as he is, so this balances it out some.

Just a thought,
V'ger gone

Re: Change request: Rescuing the Moloch From Whimpy Imps Inc.
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Immortal Moloch! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif Serious SC-pretender dominance.

Immortal creatures do not retreat when fighting in friendly dominion.

[ February 10, 2004, 07:46: Message edited by: Morag ]