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Argitoth March 26th, 2004 03:56 AM

Re: Undead retreated?
 
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Originally posted by Nagot Gick Fel:

(1) Research Conjuration 9.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I doubt I have enough time!

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Originally posted by Nagot Gick Fel:

(2) You need 5 level-4 death mages, if needed research a bit Construction and forge Skull Staves to meet that requirement.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I don't have time to research to lvl 4 construction, but I have allies that can give me skull stalves for death gems.

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Originally posted by Nagot Gick Fel:

(3) Now that you have your level-4 death mages, use them cast 5 Ghost Riders each turn on your own capital, and have your remaining mages and the Lizard Kings patrol there.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Patrollers will get attacked by Ghost Riders. I don't think I can research to lvl 9 conj on time.

Ermor is a human player. I was thinking of using solar rays?? I could research to lvl 2 evoc in one turn. But I don't think I have enough astral Users for it to be effective.

[ March 26, 2004, 01:57: Message edited by: Argitoth ]

Norfleet March 26th, 2004 04:07 AM

Re: Undead retreated?
 
Argitoth, I don't think Nagot was being serious. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Argitoth March 26th, 2004 05:16 AM

Re: Undead retreated?
 
. . . (useless post)

[ March 26, 2004, 03:19: Message edited by: Argitoth ]

Peter Ebbesen March 26th, 2004 08:33 AM

Re: Undead retreated?
 
Just use your famous "disintegration strategy", which works against everybody. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

...Sorry for that one, I could not resist it...

It would be tempting to say that you get exactly what you deserve for focusing so narrowly on conjuration 9, but I am more interested in how you managed to assassinate four Ermor Wraith Commanders in one round - that is an impressive feat and, considering it was done in your dominion, a fairly heavy blow to your opponents death gem economy as they are gone forever. Well done - now how did you do it?

Norfleet March 26th, 2004 08:42 AM

Re: Undead retreated?
 
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Originally posted by Peter Ebbesen:
Just use your famous "disintegration strategy", which works against everybody. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">He doesn't know Disintegrate! His Conjuration focus has left him devoid of Disintegrate, an Alteration 8 spell.

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Originally posted by Peter Ebbesen:
It would be tempting to say that you get exactly what you deserve for focusing so narrowly on conjuration 9, but I am more interested in how you managed to assassinate four Ermor Wraith Commanders in one round - that is an impressive feat and, considering it was done in your dominion, a fairly heavy blow to your opponents death gem economy as they are gone forever. Well done - now how did you do it?
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">C'tissian Empoisoners are quite adept at assassinating undead leaders, having death magic ability: Argitoth had Thaum-1, which easily enables him to cast Dust to Dust repeatedly. That'll make it fairly easy to blow through all but the most heavily protected and strongest undead leaders.

Peter Ebbesen March 26th, 2004 10:46 AM

Re: Undead retreated?
 
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Originally posted by Norfleet:
He doesn't know Disintegrate! His Conjuration focus has left him devoid of Disintegrate, an Alteration 8 spell.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I noticed. That is why I teased and added the http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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C'tissian Empoisoners are quite adept at assassinating undead leaders, having death magic ability: Argitoth had Thaum-1, which easily enables him to cast Dust to Dust repeatedly. That'll make it fairly easy to blow through all but the most heavily protected and strongest undead leaders.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Right, and if additionally they have boots of quickness they can do major damage. It is just that I expect SG wraith leaders to have a bodyguard of 5 ghosts each (SG gets ghosts for free every now and then, and this is an excellent use for them) and they can do major damage to most assassins.

Argitoth March 26th, 2004 03:28 PM

Re: Undead retreated?
 
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Originally posted by Norfleet:
C'tissian Empoisoners are quite adept at assassinating undead leaders, having death magic ability: Argitoth had Thaum-1, which easily enables him to cast Dust to Dust repeatedly. That'll make it fairly easy to blow through all but the most heavily protected and strongest undead leaders.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">1 Wraith - Protection of the Grabe
1 Assassin - Eagle Eyes

2 Wraith - Protection of the Grave
2 Assassin - Dust to Dust (miss)

3 Wraith - Protection of the Grave
3 Assassin - Dust to Dust (miss)

4 Wraith - Protection of the Grave
4 Assassin - Dust to Dust (miss)

5 Wraith - Moves in to attack
5 Assassin - Dust to Dust (hit) (wraith down to 12 hp)

6 Wraith - Moves and attacks
6 Assassin - DEAD


I tested it time and time again, and never had 100% success. The way I defeated 4 wraiths was giving my assassins 5 death gems allowing them to cast "Raise Skeletons" or "Raise Dead". They summoned around 30 undead each and that was enough to kill a wraith. I have tested and tested until I came up with the perfect solution. Note: I've tried many different scripts using Dust to Dust. Absolutely no script with dust to dust would have 100% success.

[ March 26, 2004, 13:35: Message edited by: Argitoth ]

rabelais March 26th, 2004 03:41 PM

Re: Undead retreated?
 
I guess the question is...

does SG having units that don't dissolve when leaderless, with its many other advantages, give it such a large advantage over AE as to make the latter theme unlikely to be played?

(i.e. is this the intended behavior?)


Rabe the Neither Rare or Done Well

Peter Ebbesen March 26th, 2004 04:17 PM

Re: Undead retreated?
 
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Originally posted by rabelais:
I guess the question is...

does SG having units that don't dissolve when leaderless, with its many other advantages, give it such a large advantage over AE as to make the latter theme unlikely to be played?

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">AE gets many more troops than SG does, have cheaper unholy-4 priests (23 death gems vs 35), gets sacred troops in abundance (SG gets NO sacred troops except the rare Wailing Lady), and does not require a magic scale.

They play rather differently.

Argitoth March 26th, 2004 07:07 PM

Re: Undead retreated?
 
I've decided to go for lvl 9 conjuration. Nations are helping me survive on every part of the map. I don't think I'll be vanquished from the game just yet.

[ March 26, 2004, 17:10: Message edited by: Argitoth ]


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