Re: get that bull out of my grove!
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Hey, at least he offers THAT much. Some national heroes offer you even less. Take, for example, th Caelumian hero, Caelos. He gives you a P2...who isn't flying. As if you didn't already have flying, stealthy P3s. He has no research ability, so he doesn't even contribute that much. He's clearly more mediocre than the Bull.

Re: get that bull out of my grove!
 

WTF? That bull is good. Hell any unit with decent hps and some magic skill is a potential SC. Tell you what, I'll trade you for "The monster in the maze" from Arco Golden Era.

Re: get that bull out of my grove!
 

Think on to Ulmish Heroes, default and IF ...

All knights with some better stats than their comerander not uniques...

I believe Ulm could have a Forge Master blacksmith hero with 50% Forge Bonus for default, and an Uber-Priest lvl 4 at least for the IF. IF should need too a templar national hero sacred.

Re: get that bull out of my grove!
 

hey i'm not trying to start a 'my theme has worse heroes than yours' argument. All i'm saying is that the bull....for CW...is kinda bull.

[ July 20, 2004, 01:35: Message edited by: djtool ]

Re: get that bull out of my grove!
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It's still a _free_ N3 mage, with level 3 in an additional path of magic. Considering that CW's Panic Apostate's cost 320 gold, and CW has a problem with income, it's not bad.

Sure - it would be better if it were a heroic Panic Apostate, with just a little something extra - N3D2E1 say. Or with assassin ability, or H2. Or a special Carrion Lord, with some death magic in addition to nature.

But - it's still a perfectly fine hero for CW as is.

Re: get that bull out of my grove!
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">And you give him the Hammer of cyclops and forge everything for free? Perhaps not...

Re: get that bull out of my grove!
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Well, most themes have heroes that don't fit in.
THink about Last of the Tuatha, all Man heroes. Even though they are not bad, they dont fit.

By the way, the worst hero out there is the machaka guy with the big club

Re: get that bull out of my grove!
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Everyone loves the Log Wielder!

Re: get that bull out of my grove!
 

[quote]It's still a _free_ N3 mage, with level 3 in an additional path of magic.[quote]

it doesn't fit in. It doesn't belong. Hell the ettin is a lvl 1 unholy priest. That's not the greatest in the world either, but its still thematic. That's my statement. This is not a difficult thing to adjust. I'm sure its quite simple. So I pointed it out.

Everyone loves a log prinz, go out and get your log.

[ July 20, 2004, 13:11: Message edited by: djtool ]

Re: get that bull out of my grove!
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">If I remember correctly, there should be another CW hero, a mandragora with N1 D1. Either that, or CW spawns leaders like ermor

[ July 20, 2004, 13:14: Message edited by: PrinzMegaherz ]