Andy: another possible inclusion into the UK OOB
 

http://www.tankmuseum.org.uk/newsart.html

Re: Andy: another possible inclusion into the UK O
 

They were not used, it seems. At least - I cannot find any historical evidence for them.

Cheers
Andy

Re: Andy: another possible inclusion into the UK O
 

I've just seen an article that says Watchkeeper RPV will have Observation Radar's.

The watchkeeper's current Vision is 40.

Re: Andy: another possible inclusion into the UK O
 

Me again, with Questions this time.

Looking at the challenger 2, and I was wondering where the version with the add on armour is?

My other Question is concerning the Vickers HMG. It's only got a HEK of 5, the Same as a Bren gun, and a Vickers has surely more firepower. There was one account where one gun managed to fire 5 Million rounds of .303 non-stop..

Re: Andy: another possible inclusion into the UK O
 

Yes but it doesn't dump them all in the same area in 3 minutes, does it? That's what increases the HEK number not the fact it can fire marathon shoots. It's not a Gatling gun. It's a nice slow but steady HMG but doesn't have a very high volume of fire in any given 2 or three minute segment and yes, you can fire it all day and all night but that doesn't make it inherently deadlier in any given "game turn". In fact, it's less deadly because of it's slow rate of fire but that slow rate of fire allows it to shoot for hours but that kind of endurance doesn't count of much in the game

Don

Re: Andy: another possible inclusion into the UK O
 

**shrug**

All true.. but six minutes of non-stop Vickers fire might be a different prospect to a 30 rnd Bren gun mag.

At least I know someone's reading all this stuff I keep finding http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: Andy: another possible inclusion into the UK O
 

What "uparmoured challenger 2". Never heard of it. Cites? (UK MoD, Vickers etc ??). Pictures?. Stats?. Numbers?. Local one-off engineering job or official Mod programme?.

Or - are you getting confused with the uparmoured CR1 (Challenger 1+ in the OOB) as used in Operation Granby ?.


Cheers
Andy

Re: Andy: another possible inclusion into the UK O
 

http://www.wpeu.net/web/gallery/eng/...ger_2_Main.jpg

http://www.tamiyausa.com/images/prod...4/header_1.jpg
http://www.armedforces.co.uk/army/li...allenger2b.jpg

http://www.copybook.com/images/publi...ages/drs39.jpg

Very big photo, from the MOD site.
http://www.operations.mod.uk/telic/i..._basrah_hr.jpg

Up Armoured panels on the front and side hulls.
BTW: Last time we had a vechicle ID lesson I out socred everyone else... I Like my tanks..
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Also are you going to include the very first few CR1 with a 50 cal Coax instead of the Electronic Bullet Chewing box? (IIRC it also had no TI either)

Re: Andy: another possible inclusion into the UK O
 

Nice picture of what could be any old C2, really. At any rate, it looks just like another CR2 to me.

Cites on the mods, number in service, what the mods were etc?. Is it a local to theatre thing?. i.e. any hard information?.

The pre/early-production CR1 will not be done - too few and too short an availibility to worry about.

Cheers
Andy

Re: Andy: another possible inclusion into the UK O
 

Basic Chally 2.
http://homepage.eircom.net/~steven/i...allenger22.jpg

Chally 2 with add on.
http://www.wpeu.net/web/gallery/eng/...ger_2_Main.jpg

If you look along the side of the hull and the front of the hull, you'll see boxes, like the CR1 add on armour.

What I know so far... Give me a couple of days and more details might be following, I've got some tankers to ask.

Of course the exact details may well be restricted..

Those where fitted to all CR2 on Op Telic. From the Explanation I've heard from a single source is that it's added only in the desert, as there is less terrain to hide behind, unlike Europe where it's easier to stay hull down. How true that is I don't know.

Here we see an SFOR CR2 without the add on armour.
http://misheli.image.pbase.com/u38/k....Scan10061.JPG