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Re: smart targeting computers, my tuchus.
First of all: Regardless of construction materials (or where you get them), a Dyson Sphere would be useless because GRAVITY is impossible on the inner surface of a Dyson Sphere. {See the Dyson Sphere FAQ, or even the Wikipedia entry on Dyson Spheres.}
Secondly: Building either a Dyson Sphere or a Ringworld requires the ability to disassemble whole planets, the ability to convert matter into energy (and vice versa), and the ability to rebuild matter on an atomic level. So when you allude to "benefits" from building such a thing, you're talking about "benefits" that simply do not exist for anyone capable of building it. Think about it: What exactly are those "benefits?" <font color="red">Capturing a larger percentage of the energy output of a star?</font> Why would you need it? If you have such godlike technology that you can convert matter into energy, then you already have an endless supply of energy. <font color="red">18440 times the surface area of Earth?</font> Again, why do you need it? If you can disassemble whole planets, and can control matter with the ease necessary to fabricate your hypothetical (and impossibly dense) Dyson Sphere & Ringworld building material, then why would you waste it building anything that's tethered to the gravity well of a star? You could far more easily build mobile planets orbited by their very own artificial micro-stars. I repeat: Nobody who could build one would need to build one. It's just irrational. |
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Regarding the gravity issue, all you have to do is spin the sphere. This will get you a band of living area around the middle or the sphere orthogonal to the axis or rotation. The rest is still pretty unlivable, which is why a ringworld is a more efficient choice.
Regarding need, I've already answered this question. I will add something I felt was already obvious: With such a huge amount of living room, you could support a massive population in relative comfort (think trillions; "We need breathing room!)while only having to defend one system. |
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And you have not answered the "need question," because there is NO such "need." No race could achieve the level of technology necessary to build even a Ringworld without having already overcome all of the "needs" that might have made one desirable in the first place. Please stop pretending that you know what you're talking about, and go read the Dyson Sphere FAQ, to which I've already given you a link. Star-enclosing Dyson Spheres are not scientifically plausible; and while a Ringworld might be plausible, it's still irrational because it's totally unnecessary to anyone who could build it. Both of them are Science FICTION. |
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And while that FAQ isn't "hostile" to the idea, it does say all the same things I've already said, and it does support my contention that no race capable of building one would need one. So does LOGIC. Quote:
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In any event, I have had quite enough of your refusal to acknowledge reason, and I am done participating in this thread. Don't bother responding to me unless you're doing it just to see yourself talk, because I won't be reading it. And by all means, continue to believe whatever insipid nonsense you wish. |
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It would be interesting to note two things:
1) There is a massively popular science-fiction work that discusses in fairly great detail exactly *why* a super-advanced civilization *might* need to build ringworlds, at least, if not dyson spheres. (Just take a wild stab in the dark as to what I'm talking about. I'll even give you a hint: it's a ring that floats over one's head.) 2) The frequency at which the phrase (or the ideas communicated by such) "Don't bother responding to me unless you're doing it just to see yourself talk, because I won't be reading it." is used on the internet, and the hyprocisy rate thereof. IOW, Hi TaoLibra. I know you're reading this http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif |
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How are my assumptions illogical? Unlike you, I've actually read both the links you posted earlier in this thread. Unlike you, I'm not so utterly fixed on the idea that a Dyson sphere is a rigid body that I refuse to even consider other construction methods. Tell me, what superstrong materials are needed to make large sections of independently orbiting habitats that have energy collectors to gather aas much radiation as possible? Unlike you, I'm actually aware that any civilization that wants to delay the heat-death of the universe is going to go to drastic lengths to conserve as much energy as possible. Quote:
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I always enjoy it when somebody refuses to even respond to their opponents' arguments, then claims victory. That's as clear a concession as can ever be gained on the internet. Quote:
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