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I am running your BORG AI, with the UCP Borg ship set. I must say, they are not at all friendly. >: They have captured over a 3rd of my fleet, and pushed my boarders back two systems. Additionally, the only that seems to stop them are fighters, but in my Last encounter with them, they developed point defense and nearly beat me. Nice work on the AI. You have made the Borg aggressive and Borg like. Congrats on a job well done.

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"We've made too many compromises already, too many retreats! They invade our space and we fall back -- they assimilate entire worlds and we fall back! Not again! The line must be drawn here -- this far, no further! And I will make them pay for what they've done!" -- Patrick Stewart as Captain Picard
UCP/TCO Ship Yards

Thank you, Thank you (blush http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif).

I am still tweaking the files myself, they don't develop point defense early enough(in my opinion). The tdm-Xi'Chung can still kick the crap out of them 7/10 times.(thats pretty much the base I use for all my AI tweaking, wether or not they can stand up to the Xi'Chung and the Rage, Damn those AI's are GOOD http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon9.gif). That and the Borg fleet values still seem a bit flaky, probally cause its still set for capture enemy ships and not Optimal Firing with 2ndary Capture Ships. But all in all I am pleased with my 2nd attempt at creation http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif. If your looking for something different try my Y'Gathian Free States shipset/race, the shipset isn't the prettiest but the AI rocks (humble opinion).. That and they use BOTH crystal and Organic tech.

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"The Empress took your name away," said Chance.
Owen smiled coldly. "It wasn't hers to take. I'm a Deathstalker until I die. And we never forget a slight or an enemy." -Owen Deathstalker.

I installed your Borg race and got a message about the Assimilator culture not found. What culture would best fit this race (I do not follow Star Trek)?

As for the race culture, the borg are very, very aggressive and as for the SE4 race styles, i would personally choose berzerkers, since that most accuratly fullfills the gap between SE4 and star trek. I hope this helps...

I have posted an updated Version of my borg race in the shipset section of the mod area.

The AI has been tested in numerous games with the supplied .emp file and has provided a good challenge, usually running 2nd or 3rd in the 'scores' section (of 10 races).

All ship sizes will now be used, as will additional weapons and even limited fighter use.

Point-def has been made stronger and a few surprises have been added to ship design.

Feedback is more than welcome http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif, this in an ongoing process to help provide new challenges.

Thank you to all who have helped by playtesting previous Versions and letting me know how they are doing....

For any who are interested I will be posting an updated Y'Gathian Free States shipset later on as well, the AI has been tweaked as well to efficiently use the combined crystal/organic tech.

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"The Empress took your name away," said Chance.
Owen smiled coldly. "It wasn't hers to take. I'm a Deathstalker until I die. And we never forget a slight or an enemy." -Owen Deathstalker.

Deathstalker,
Have you considered making the Borg a Temporal or Organic race? I have been working on a Version using Organic technology (like the regenerative armour) which seems promising. Am still playing with Research file.

Am reviewing your Last update to see how well I can common up the files so that my Organic variant can be used without anyone having to switch too many files.

Regards,

God Emperor

[This message has been edited by God Emperor (edited 11 May 2001).]

[This message has been edited by God Emperor (edited 11 May 2001).]

Hmmm, only seem to be able to use the Organic technology in the 5000 pt race. Just seem to need to spend race points on too many other things - eg Propulsion Experts.
Oh well, will keep on working....

PS: I have done a bit of work on some of the AI files that you have left unaltered up to now. Will email you a copy in the next day or so if you are interested.

PPS: My current race style is as follows;

Design Name File := Borg
Race Opt 1 Num Characteristics := 5
Race Opt 1 Characteristic 1 Type := Intelligence
Race Opt 1 Characteristic 1 Amount := 110
Race Opt 1 Characteristic 2 Type := Cunning
Race Opt 1 Characteristic 2 Amount := 90
Race Opt 1 Characteristic 3 Type := Political Savvy
Race Opt 1 Characteristic 3 Amount := 80
Race Opt 1 Characteristic 4 Type := Maintenance Aptitude
Race Opt 1 Characteristic 4 Amount := 105
Race Opt 1 Characteristic 5 Type := Happiness
Race Opt 1 Characteristic 5 Amount := 110
Race Opt 1 Num Advanced Traits := 2
Race Opt 1 Adv Trait 1 := Propulsion Experts
Race Opt 1 Adv Trait 2 := Natural Merchants
Race Opt 2 Num Characteristics := 6
Race Opt 2 Characteristic 1 Type := Intelligence
Race Opt 2 Characteristic 1 Amount := 120
Race Opt 2 Characteristic 2 Type := Cunning
Race Opt 2 Characteristic 2 Amount := 90
Race Opt 2 Characteristic 3 Type := Political Savvy
Race Opt 2 Characteristic 3 Amount := 80
Race Opt 2 Characteristic 4 Type := Maintenance Aptitude
Race Opt 2 Characteristic 4 Amount := 110
Race Opt 2 Characteristic 5 Type := Happiness
Race Opt 2 Characteristic 5 Amount := 110
Race Opt 2 Characteristic 6 Type := Defensiveness
Race Opt 2 Characteristic 6 Amount := 110
Race Opt 2 Num Advanced Traits := 2
Race Opt 2 Adv Trait 1 := Propulsion Experts
Race Opt 2 Adv Trait 2 := Natural Merchants
Race Opt 3 Num Characteristics := 6
Race Opt 3 Characteristic 1 Type := Physical Strength
Race Opt 3 Characteristic 1 Amount := 110
Race Opt 3 Characteristic 2 Type := Intelligence
Race Opt 3 Characteristic 2 Amount := 120
Race Opt 3 Characteristic 3 Type := Happiness
Race Opt 3 Characteristic 3 Amount := 110
Race Opt 3 Characteristic 4 Type := Political Savvy
Race Opt 3 Characteristic 4 Amount := 80
Race Opt 3 Characteristic 5 Type := Defensiveness
Race Opt 3 Characteristic 5 Amount := 110
Race Opt 3 Characteristic 6 Type := Maintenance Aptitude
Race Opt 3 Characteristic 6 Amount := 110
Race Opt 3 Num Advanced Traits := 3
Race Opt 3 Adv Trait 1 := Organic Manipulation
Race Opt 3 Adv Trait 2 := Natural Merchants
Race Opt 3 Adv Trait 3 := Propulsion Experts

[This message has been edited by God Emperor (edited 11 May 2001).]

Sure, always interested in new ideas. And as to why I kept the Borg so 'vanilla' (instead of Psychic or Organic) was to keep in flavor with the movies etc. The modds I did to the AI had them boarding in Tac combat quite frequently and subbing say the Alligence Subverter just seemed too much (That weapon still seems like 'cheating' to me, way to easy to get tech/ships, what AI's actually use computers to run thier ships??)

I mainly wanted to give thier ships some 'beefing up', and have them build/research past light cruiser. All in all I am happy so far with the design (currently they are kicking my butt in a game, I have destroyers and they have Cruisers with APB V, only my mines are keeping them at bay.)

And for heavily shielded ships I have them building a variant ship with Shield Depleters and Grav Hellbores, packs quite a punch..... http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

Yeah SJ, you're damn right ...

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by suicide_junkie:
For REAL borg, you'll have to mod some new components for them.

(since boarding parties don't work on troops)
-borg troops have Allegiance subverters! Uh, oh! The borg are coming! http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

-Organic armor type regeneration for the entire ship http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif
That would make for some really nasty, scary borg. Also, make sure they use big, boxy Baseships!!! hehehe.

-Automatic declaration of WAR to every race.

I would really enjoy a borg mod where they get an organic-regenerating copy of every component in the game. With double hitpoints! The entire quadrant would have to join together to stop their incursions!
They would have to be AI'd to declare war instantly, every time. They should call for surrender during every encounter, then kick your *** http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

I would really like to see a technologically DANGEROUS borg AI. Something that you and some friends could gang up (militarily) against and lose most battles to.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Borg should kick *** as no other race would. I never tried them (but will soon) ... so I ask you - how is the assimilation simulated. Did you find a way that one Borg ship can spy out and replicate the technology of an enemy ship?

It would be cool to have a borg ship at low tech spying out the higher tech of an enemys ship ... then during battle or between to battles they should modify (=upgrade) their weapons (in space) and attack the more advanced enemy suddenly with his own equipment. Might be a mixture of psychic and organic tech tree or something completely new.

Is it possible to create such a race in the game?

ZzZ

[This message has been edited by ZzZ (edited 11 May 2001).]