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Graeme Dice March 7th, 2007 01:14 PM

Re: Can\'t figure out what I\'m doing wrong
 
Quote:

Sandman said:
Three researchers is very poor for the middle of the second year, although Jomon doesn't have good mages to begin with.

What gives you the idea that their mages are poor? They are dirt cheap, and you will easily have multiple mages with two picks in a single path, plus guaranteed astral and nature magic. They are every bit as good as Arcoscephalian mystics used to be in Dominions II. They are probably the most magically diverse nation in the Late Era.

lch March 7th, 2007 01:22 PM

Re: Can\'t figure out what I\'m doing wrong
 
On top of all the things already being said, I'll repeat the one thing that may get lost in the arguments here: Don't build temples everywhere unless you need them. Temples are expensive, and when you only have 7 provinces, then you need to put your money into troops, not temples.

Sandman March 7th, 2007 03:08 PM

Re: Can\'t figure out what I\'m doing wrong
 
Quote:

Graeme Dice said:

What gives you the idea that their mages are poor? They are dirt cheap, and you will easily have multiple mages with two picks in a single path, plus guaranteed astral and nature magic. They are every bit as good as Arcoscephalian mystics used to be in Dominions II. They are probably the most magically diverse nation in the Late Era.

Their map move of 1 is a pain, although you're correct that they are better than I gave them credit for.

KissBlade March 7th, 2007 04:07 PM

Re: Can\'t figure out what I\'m doing wrong
 
Graeme puts out a lot of good tips you should probably follow. Also with Jomon, try to prioritize taking mountain and forest provinces around your capital first. Remember castles take resources from neighboring provinces and mountains and forest produces the most resources. Also I literally build almost nothing but samurai archers with jomon. They are pretty much the superior unit compared to the rest of samurai line.

st.patrik March 7th, 2007 05:05 PM

Re: Can\'t figure out what I\'m doing wrong
 
If you have lots of gold and resources are your problem, you should definitely be recruiting some of the higher end troops. For example, instead of recruiting the regular katana-wielding Samurai, recruit Aka-oni Samurai for 5 more gold each (but the same resources) and get more attack and defence skill, greater strength, and more HPs. If you have any kind of bless you can also recruit the sacred troops, which again cost no more resources than regular samurai.

I have to disagree with KissBlade: If you're recruiting Samurai archers, personally I wouldn't bother - you can get 10% more Aka-oni Samurai than regular archer Samurai for the same resource cost, and they do much better in combat. Of course this would be different if you were short on gold rather than resources.

Sencha March 7th, 2007 06:24 PM

Re: Can\'t figure out what I\'m doing wrong
 
Thanks for the advice, I'll definitely take it into account. I guess I was overestimating the importance of taxing and temples. So I'll ease back on them. I'll also increase my research staff, hire mercs more regularly and try to capture more provinces per turn.

I'll also try to use my Pretender more directly. I could have guessed that holding him up in the castle probably wasn't making the best use of him, but I was afraid he'd get killed in battle. (I've seen it happen, probably b/c I didn't design and/or equip him to be a SC).

As for my game settings, I didn't touch the scales much, (don't remember my exact settings), used a medium map and I believe the AI level was default.

Taqwus March 7th, 2007 06:48 PM

Re: Can\'t figure out what I\'m doing wrong
 
Early on: yes on mercenaries, not temples.

Being able to recruit a priest with fire/holy leading 100 pikemen for in the whereabouts of 600 gold (AIs are not generally aggressive bidders) in one turn even in the lowest-resource province can jump-start your expansion. Sure, you're renting them. Renting troops to take the initial charge of independent knights, however, might end up being cheaper than sacrificing national troops.

It should also be noted that some Late Era nations will have large armies full of low-quality troops -- don't bother trying to match the Ashen Empire or the Dreamlands (Late Ermor and R'lyeh, respectively) in quantity. Crush them with quality. The AI in general will also pay much less attention to research and mage support... or supply... then you might, too.


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