Re: My immortal phoenix died of a disease??
 

it wouldn;t be permantly, it would be just like a god dieing, even imortal gods need to recalled when they die out of their dominion.

Re: My immortal phoenix died of a disease??
 

I thought Graeme meant permanently gone when he said permanently gone. Maybe not.

Re: My immortal phoenix died of a disease??
 

Graeme's post is fairly unequivocal. Dead permanently even in friendly dominion. There are also other issues with immortality and friendly dominion, so it's been reported.

Re: My immortal phoenix died of a disease??
 

I just did a test. Gave a phoenix a bane venom charm and hit 'e' a lot. Anyway, hit points fell steadily to 1, then the phoenix just "moved" to the capital (obviously died and reappeared there). It had lost the bane venom charm, and the next turn got back to full hit points.

So it seems like the bug doesn't exist after all, or at least not consistently. Edi, apologies for posting on the bug thread without proper testing.

Re: My immortal phoenix died of a disease??
 

No problem. Things happen, and immortality has been plagued with all sorts of uncertainties and even straight out weird behavior. I'll remove the shortlist entry.

Re: My immortal phoenix died of a disease??
 

I'm about 99% sure that there is a bug out there that would explain the OP's (rather bald) statement, and perhaps Graeme's post as well. I'm not sure if this is a known bug (but I haven't seen it on the bug list), but here's how I think year end disease processing works:

In the month which new afflictions are checked for and added, there are two months worth of disease degeneration that occurs. So, for example, if you're using fever fetishes on a scout (one of the easier ways to test this), and your at month 12 with 2 hps, as you roll over to month 1, your scout will be dead.

Moreover, if you have a scout with 1hp at month 12, he will die w/ no announcement. This is the category which I think might explain the immortal dying due to disease. I suspect the first of the two disease processing steps is incomplete, and if an immortal is processed in this way, the reincarnation step is skipped (just as the death announcement step is skipped with my scouts).

I've been wanting to put together a simple test that shows this, but I believe I've seen this many times, and I believe that this is 100% repeatable.

Re: My immortal phoenix died of a disease??
 

The easiest way I've seen to make this occur is to use the master with the iron crutch.

Re: My immortal phoenix died of a disease??
 

Now that I think about it, I think in SP game few of my old mages got disease during late winter. That's normal, but when I checked their HP, they had only 8 out of 10, so I think it's possible there is extra round of disease during late winter when aging checks are done. Maybe this is when immortals might die of disease?

Re: My immortal phoenix died of a disease??
 

I had one of those LA atlantis capital only mages who got diseased.

I had him cast twiceborn and set him to charge the enemy in a friendly dominion.

He died but didn't reappear in my capitol as a wight mage. I don't have the turn anymore, but I'm pretty sure that was a bug.

Re: My immortal phoenix died of a disease??
 

A bit OT,

I have always thought curses, afflictions, and horror marks should be gone when a god dies and is called back. If your body is destroyed and remade, how can it still have afflictions? I can theorize that curses and horror marks affect the spirit or soul, and survive the rebirth?

Anyway, I think the loss of items and loss of magical strength is a sufficient penalty for a pretender biting the bullet.