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Jazzepi November 18th, 2007 07:01 AM

Re: How bad is starving?
 
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Arralen said:
Starvation is distributed randomly each turn ... therefore it wouldn't make much sense to pick out "starving" troops.

It makes a lot of sense. Starving troops, even if they have no afflictions take a -4 hit to morale which can be a huge swing in a squad morale check. It can be very useful to simply leave the low morale troops in the province that they're in before the army moves.

Jazzepi

Rathar November 18th, 2007 08:54 PM

Re: How bad is starving?
 
I am so pleased to be wrong! That is quite handy!

vfb November 19th, 2007 01:52 AM

Re: How bad is starving?
 
Yes, it's very useful. Thank you! If anyone is listening, a 'd' to filter out all diseased units would also be nice. Not that I'd do anything as evil as ship all my poor diseased troops to the closest front as cannon fodder, or failing that dump them in the nearest ocean.

Edratman November 19th, 2007 10:24 AM

Re: How bad is starving?
 
Add me to the list of players who were unaware of the "s" sort.

On the same topic, how does everyone else deal with supplying large armies if you don't have nature? I've taken to only playing nations with nature so I can forge summer sword, broth pot and wine bag. I have in the past empowered indy mages to 2N to forge the +1N flower mace, and gone from there, but I've had unlucky games without encountering an animal tribe or druid for way too long and finally quit playing nations without at least 1N on a recruitable mage. I know there are many commanders with a turkey leg (supply bonus) but I would rather make my commanders research, forge or command, not have 4 or 5 of them schlep around functioning as supply wagons. And supply commanders are a lot more vulnerable than a fully outfitted commander with 3 supply asset items.

The supply pigs of the Heims are great, but I'm now into playing (or trying) to play everyone else, but only if they have a N pick.

Edi November 19th, 2007 11:58 AM

Re: How bad is starving?
 
Even I didn't know about the 's' shortcut, which is going to come in right useful sooner or later. Thanks for the heads-up! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

NTJedi November 19th, 2007 11:58 AM

Re: How bad is starving?
 
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Edratman said:
Add me to the list of players who were unaware of the "s" sort.


I knew about the 's' sorting, there's also an 'e' sorting which will seperate units of more than 2 stars of experience from others. Usually I use the 'e' sorting for seperating archer types since most melee units have a shorter lifespan on the battlefield.

In the past I've also tried 'h' for horror-marking yet no luck and 'c' for cursed units yet no luck. Horror-marked guards can be useful for a commander/mage which has been horror-marked. Depending on the location of the magic site 'Infinite Vale of Horrors' it can be worthwhile horror marking specific types of units you own.

duke_commando November 20th, 2007 01:19 AM

Re: How bad is starving?
 
Quote:

Edratman said:
Add me to the list of players who were unaware of the "s" sort.

On the same topic, how does everyone else deal with supplying large armies if you don't have nature? I've taken to only playing nations with nature so I can forge summer sword, broth pot and wine bag. I have in the past empowered indy mages to 2N to forge the +1N flower mace, and gone from there, but I've had unlucky games without encountering an animal tribe or druid for way too long and finally quit playing nations without at least 1N on a recruitable mage. I know there are many commanders with a turkey leg (supply bonus) but I would rather make my commanders research, forge or command, not have 4 or 5 of them schlep around functioning as supply wagons. And supply commanders are a lot more vulnerable than a fully outfitted commander with 3 supply asset items.

The supply pigs of the Heims are great, but I'm now into playing (or trying) to play everyone else, but only if they have a N pick.

Theres not a lot you can do without supply items that I know of, except split your army into parts and try to keep to high supply provinces.
Starving also comes after battles so you can attack an enemy in a low supply province and your guys will fight the battle without the starving debuff. Then you can move to a richer province next turn.

Rasit November 20th, 2007 06:02 PM

Re: How bad is starving?
 
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[...]So now I am wondering how bad are the effects.[...]

I made the mistake of attacking a marsh with a supply lowering death site, to make matters worse I accidentally hit e instead of r, twice!

This was my small strike force before (they won this fight easily).

This was some turn later after the little swamp vacation, they were joined by the Inquisitor and the Angel after the previous battle.

Since everyone got a disease I was forced to get them in a battle every 4 turn, luckily I had a regeneration bless. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

vfb November 20th, 2007 06:47 PM

Re: How bad is starving?
 
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Rasit said:
I made the mistake of attacking a marsh with a supply lowering death site,

Do you mean with a death-scale-increasing site? Which one? Are you sure it was not a disease-causing site?

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to make matters worse I accidentally hit e instead of r, twice!

Do you mean 'e' instead of 'w'?

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[...]Since everyone got a disease I was forced to get them in a battle every 4 turn, luckily I had a regeneration bless. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

If you leave your army parked for 8 turns in a disease-causing site, there's a very good chance everyone will get sick. I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think your commanders will get diseased just because of supply problems. Army yes, commanders no.

Wick November 20th, 2007 10:33 PM

Re: How bad is starving?
 
No, he means he ended the turn while trying to recruit. It happens rarely but all too often.


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