Re: End Game Slaughter Moves
 

Not playing with bug exploiting players is an easy solution http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Short list and exploits
 

If the mist combo is clearly a huge exploit that should result in the ban of the user, I don't think being in the shortlist is a sufficient condition to be one.

There are actually too many things in the "short" list to make the use of all of them bannable.

Some theorical "exploits" are unavoidable without special micro-gestion (ie : communion slaves casting spells) and knowing how to use them is now part of many strategy guides (retro-communion).

As well casting a BE then retreating, when the combat ends normally (no mist) would probably be tolerated by most players (it's just saving a mage after all). And it may also be unavoidable in some cases (ritual of returning, or the mage failing a morale check).

The politic about some that may be seen as national advantages of some nations / units isn't clear either (things like twiceborn on demons are probably used by some players with particular nations but I never seen complaints about their immortal demons in MP threads). I personnally consider this one so powerful I'd include it in the bannable category (in case of systematic use with nations like Lanka) but not sure how the majority of MP players consider this kind of "niche" exploits.

So, perhaps a list of clearly forbidden things in MP should be made, separated from the general bugs list.

Re: Short list and exploits
 

That's surely a cheat and there is practically nothing you can about it. You should mention that in the game thread and talk with game host. If player repeats that he should be banned from that game. IF host think it is valid move then you know which games to avoid [and you know that host just found a new tactic he will also use next time, probably even build his nation strategy next time].

Re: Short list and exploits
 

Yeah, cast and run is fine (even still I hope they change it), but it is fine for now.

But Mists of Deception is just plain sick and wrong!

DonCorazon, I feel your pain. The same thing happened to me, except with Wrathful Skies as the damage-dealer. It was maddening. It is not your fault, there is nothing that can be done to stop it. It's just an exploit that needs to be fixed.

Re: Short list and exploits
 

Cast and run isn't fine either, otherwise it wouldn't be on the bug shortlist...

Re: Short list and exploits
 

Though it is not so bad cause it is enough to kill remaining enemy troops to stop it. But with mists there is no enemy to fight.

Re: Short list and exploits
 

is Danse of Morrigan works like Mists of deception ?

Re: End Game Slaughter Moves
 

Not true. Only if there was a list of said players, which there isn't and will never be. After 6 months of playing Dom3 I have a mental list of about 3 players to avoid, mostly for going AI and vanishing. And that is out of how many players? There is just no way to know a head of time unless you just pick a group of friends and always play with the same people.

Re: End Game Slaughter Moves
 

Yeah, as you can see from the sample in this thread there's a pretty wide variety of opinions as to what's fair game around quirks in the game, but the Mist of Deception exploit is pretty much about the only thing virtually everybody agrees is essentially cheating. Breaks the game and theres not really anything you can do about it....

Re: End Game Slaughter Moves
 

I think it is something you should state beforehand (just so there is no confusion, even though its true that everyone agrees already), that Mists of Deception is illegal when combined with killing spells like that, I have been stating this with games I host as a house rule.

If this happened in one of those games, I would use the master password to set the offending player to AI.